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Windows 8 and Windows Phone snubbed by BBC
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Windows 8 and Windows Phone snubbed by BBC

Just recently the BBC released yet more new apps for Apple’s iPhone and announced plans for more support of Google Android devices. The corporation has stated publically the need to make its content available to all in as many ways as possible but has persistently refused to develop a single app for Windows Phone. They now state they have no plans to support a Windows 8 app too.

The BBC have often cited incompatibilities in their chosen media formats with Windows Phone and the relatively small market share for the platform as being reasons not to make an app. In the latest statement from the ‘beeb’ it’s also apparent that market share and file types aren’t the only thing stopping them developing for Microsoft operating systems. Reason and logic don’t seem to come into play.

 

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Windows Phone excuses...

According to a statement secured by the guys over at Neowin, the BBC has added extra information on the reasons for not developing for either Windows Phone or Windows 8.

"The Android and Apple platforms account for approximately 75% of the UK smartphone market. Apps are costly to develop and maintain and, as a publicly funded organisation, we have to prioritise our development around the areas and platforms where we will achieve the greatest reach of users at the lowest cost." – According to an unnamed BBC spokesman - Neowin

While this is all very well, the BBC took a stance very early on with the iPhone to support a fledgling device eco system even when it wasn’t certain it would be anything other than niche. At that time the BBC was buoyant with funding for everything digital, but regardless of that they have stolidly refused to develop apps even for Android until quite recently.

Their main app is of course iPlayer but on the iPhone they also have apps for BBC Sport, BBC Radio Player, BBC News etc. The technical complexities of making a Windows Phone version of iPlayer aside there is no reason simple news-feed style apps couldn’t make a quick and successful appearance on Windows Phone. There is only one app from the BBC (Top Gear) currently available and that is funded by the commercial division of the corporation, yes it’s complicated.

Top Gear App
See BBC? Its not that hard is it...

Even the mighty Windows 8 isn’t good enough for a BBC app?

We have just witnessed the biggest set of launches Microsoft has ever been engaged with and the most prominent of these is for Windows itself. Windows 8 brings with it an app store, touch and native mobile capabilities to the platform. There have been many reports of slower adoption of Windows 8 compared to Windows 7 but regardless of how slow moving this version of Windows is, it is selling by the millions.

Windows 8 is an extremely flexible operating system to develop for and has all the native abilities needed to support the BBC’s standards. The current BBC iPlayer app for Windows desktops is quite frankly dire; anyone would have thought the corporation would be quick to jump on the new whizzy UI of Windows 8. Not so according to ‘i-happy’ spokesman…

"We are always looking at new and existing platforms to bring BBC iPlayer to, but have no plans to launch a native app for Windows 8 mobile devices in the immediate future." – According to an unnamed BBC spokesman - Neowin

The question has to be asked, what alternate reality are the BBC living in where they make an app for the Xbox 360 but ignore the much bigger potential of Windows itself?  The Xbox 360 has plenty of users but that would pale into insignificance compared to the numbers involved in Windows 8. So their tired old excuses of its hard to do a Windows Phone app and there isn’t enough market share for the OS seem to run aground when compared to Windows 8.Unlike Windows Phone there is no hiding from the huge numbers that even a relatively weak release of Windows will bring. There is also nowhere to run when it comes to the essential standards needed to make an app. What we are seeing is the BBC switch tact from ‘can’t’ to ‘won’t’, pure and simple.

It is hard to see any reason other than pure bias for the BBC’s lack of support for any other operating system that isn’t from Apple. The question is how they are getting away with such misuse of public funds. It is hard to switch on a BBC show these days without seeing demonstrations of how to swipe with an iPhone or an iPad even though the corporation has strict guidelines on product placement.

By starving other operating systems in the market of their apps and services they are by proxy actively supporting a single eco system. How can this be considered right or fair action from a public body already embroiled in scandal after scandal concerned with accountability for their actions?

We’d like to hear what you think of these latest developments (or lack of) from the BBC and its on-going refusal to develop for other operating systems. Comment is open.

Source: Neowin

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Windows 8 and Windows Phone snubbed by BBC

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Good for you Robert for calling out their hypocrisy. Do Macs have touch screen tablets...no, since Microsoft did it they are dismissed, if Apple did it would be more important than water.

By who? While it would be great if they developed for our platform, there just isn't a huge demand. Until wp commands a larger marketshare, companies won't feel the need to develop for the platform. They didn't start developing for android until there was obvious growth. It'll be the same here. 

The beebs previous excuses were due to incompatibility between the platforms (WP would require an app written from the ground up). Now we have W8 & Wp8, there's no excuse.... Sorry, I meant we have a 'different' excuse.

Android has had a much higher market share in Europe than iOS from the very beginning. Why they would support Apple devices first over Android is enough evidence to assume bias. Shit like this makes me dislike Apple even more. I hope Windows Phone gains greater market share...Microsoft needs to bring the apps and the games.

Catering for minority interests is part of the BBC's remit. A part of their remit of which, they are very proud.
Welsh Language, Deaf Programming, Asian Network, to name but a few.
Therefore the whole WP ecosystem not being big enough argument, just falls at the first hurdle.

Nah, I literally just need to find a contact in the BBC and I will write iPlayer for them for free. I tried previously but it's massively illegal without their agreement

I'll tell you what is happening. Whether you choose to accept or not, the market is shifting away from Microsoft. Lets hope this trend doesn't continue

sadly it seems that is right...Microsoft can't seem to catch a break...
 
and the worst thing is the perception against the company has become so ridiculously negative that it is almost impossible for them to win, even with great products. Unless they re-invent the wheel, people will happily ignore them for more "modern" cool brands like Screwgle or Crapple.

Tweet them and voice your concerns. Dear Mr BBC I would really like to use your services but the apps you have are not on my platform please consider.

As a publicly funded organization, you'd think they'd not follow trends but set them. It's a circular argument.

If 75% of their app users are iOS and Android, that leaves 25% for 'all other platforms' combined that are not being developed for. 
 
So, the (rhetorical) questions are how much marketshare will it take for them to develop an app, be it for WP, BB, or another platform  - 10%, 15%, or 25%?  Does only one of the remaining OSes have to have 25% of the remaining marketshare, or will they develop apps for say WP AND BB if both have 12.5% marketshare each?  Or would they develop a Win RT app if they scooped up the remaining 25%?  WinRT/Windows 8 would likely grow faster than WP anyway, given that you can access apps on a Win 8 PC (at least, I do, even though I don't use many). 
 
Either the BBC gives a definitive number (in millions) or percentage, or simply state that there will be no app development for ANY platform going forward so that Microsoft and it's users can move on.

I'm sorry and I'm usually the last person to say this but you are right. As a publicly funded corporation, they can't really be on the forefront for technology. I'd love for them to be as I really do enjoy the quality of content from them but the truth is truth. Sure, they were on board with the iPhone but it wasn't so hard to see that taking off at the time (not like other major platforms were "app centered" anyways). The issue is mainly users for them, this format crap has nothing to do with it.

Give it sometime, if they hear enough people complaining about them not being on WP, they'll get on board. They have to because this is why they get their funding in the first place. Also, that part about "scandal after scandal" is a cynical statement. All these "scandals" are really simple mishaps that are magnified due to the impeccable track record the corporation has. I'm sorry but this is a really cynical article and dare I say it, a little short sighted.

everyone will bite their tongue eventually. it's so easy to build such app for windows phone that wont take more than 2 or 3 weeks and 2 developers involved. not that expensive ;p

BBC have always been crap. However, we do have ie10 which player works on, and infact, works better than smartphone apps.

The BBC have never been independent or impartial as they would like you to think. Every other program I watch has a presenter flashing around an iPad. It's disgraceful.

 

Yes it is a continuous advert for how to use an Apple device in almost every situation. It if weren’t so biased and ridiculous it would be funny. 

If only windows phone had the same load of apps as android...this is unfair. I love windows phone and it isn't fair to see Isheep treated better, just because its famous and nothing else. Compared to the lumia 920...tsss...

Android is certainly not as well served as iPhone when it comes to the BBC's precious apps. Doesn't seem to matter that they are a huge portion of that so-called 70+ %.

Considering you can write Windows Phone/ Desktop/RT apps in HTLM now it just seems lazy. IE10 works perfectly in the meantime.

Its not Microsoft who makes the phones... Not yet... I think MS has done alot. Its just a matter of time...

Damn the BBC... At least I stopped paying my "TV" BBC licence this year.
The rats should stop trying to tax consumers and bring in ads to line their overpaid presenters and executives pockets.
Channel 4 News and 4oD programmes are better anyway.

It would be nice for their developers to give the real problems their facing that's preventing a Windows Phone app ... unless the BBC just doesn't want to invest in time/money.

Meanwhile in the US, NPR, which carries a lot of BBC programming, also fails to provide WP apps. On the plus side, I do now see Ford SYNC, which is a Microsoft platform, so maybe there is hope.

Hopefully MS is keeping track of all of these "nay-sayers" during these early days. When windows 8 garners the adoption rate we know it will, I hope to see the BBC apps get a nice looong (unexplained) STALL while they wait for approval!

I wonder if it will ever reach a point with companies like the BBC, where their main goal is delivering information, where they'll realize you could probably accomplish the same goal with a web app as opposed to building a "costly to develop and maintain" app on separate platforms. Everyone seems to be in the mentality of "it's in the app store" and putting App Store or Google Play icons on their sites, but all they're really putting out there (for free) is a list of articles/media to look at.
Obviously iPlayer could be a different animal where a native app is desired but if you're just delivering information and you don't have the time/money to reach all platforms, you need to consider something that can reach everybody. Thank you, Apple, for bringing us the iPhone and the world we live in today, but people can't seem to think beyond "there's an app for that" and then forcing themselves to pick a platform to support...leaving others in the dust and their users without their services.

It's a weird ecosystem that we live in at the moment... In the 90's we had dedicated & expensive software, inside walled ecosystems with bitter infighting. The web hailed in a new era of an open ecosystem with cross-platform applications... but it proved difficult to monetise in all situations (advertising only goes so far). Apple brought in another walled garden, but this time people could monetise all of their free stuff, or even other peoples content. That proved wildly successful so now we have walled ecosystems and bitter fighting again...

And I bet EVERYONE at the Beeb have received Macs using the money from my licence fee!!

Absolute fucking joke.....

MS should fix issues like STK, VPN and open up software development to any potential developer for rapid growth of the smartphone family. It must also try integrate and associate with high rated sites and big companies for easy break-through. I love windows products

I for one do not want androids malware problem. Opening development wide open comes at a price I think

Does Windows 8 really need a native app? You could just access the website couldn't you? WP8 I could understand, but Windows 8 has flash so it doesn't need some special app to serve those purposes? I've never used BBC iPlayer, but I just tried, and it seemed to work in Modern IE10?

 

No, its not acceptable as an excuse to not make a real touch friendly app for Windows 8. The experience of using the iPlayer in the browser with touch is far from great. 

OK but then we go back to the market share argument. I'm not defending the fanboi bias at the BBC but the iPlayer desktop, which enables offline viewing, works on Windows 8.
So what you're aying is that you want the BBC to develop an app for the Surface. How many of those have MS sold in the UK?
I would love to see an iPlayer app for WP, but I'm not holding my breath. It has to be said, though that for news reading the BBC mobile site is one of the best - I have BBC News and BBC Sport both pinned to my home screen. I tried some of the third party apps but they are no better than the web site itself.

F**k the BBC...I don't need their iCrap on my phone anyway, or any app that starts w/ an "i" for that matter.

I think the very name iPlayer in some confuses them, I wonder do they feel connected to the Apple devices they so lovingly support?

Its sad. Everyone is saying there is not enough apps out there, but honestly, if all of the developers made one app on windows phone/windows 8 that would turn everything around.
 

TV Catchup seem to be developing an app for WP8 according to their forums, so hopefully we can atleast have some TV streaming soon.
Also, with 4oD having a W8/RT app, maybe they will make an app based on their recent advertising of all things windows? I think W8/RT apps share code with WP. 

Maybe not, but they coined it pretty fast. When thinking if an "i" product, most will think its for something apple related.

Its funny the BBC has the money to fund Pedos over the past 30 years and cover it up.... but dont want to fund a growing ecosystem.
What if all us Licence payers were to stop paying until we get a Wp and W8 apps, i bet they would do something then.

How much does it cost to develop a Windows phone app?
The BBC are always in the news about irresponsible they are with the license fee payers money. They recently paid off the Director General with £450,000 when he was proved incompetent after only a few months in the position. 14 executives have been given payoffs of more than £300,000 each, 194 executives have been given £100,000 each, Mark Byford, the former director of journalism, who was given £949,000. Caroline Thompson, the former chief operating officer at the BBC, was given £670,000 when she left the corporation earlier this year. An unnamed finance officer was given a £420,000 payoff, while Sharon Baylay, the director of marketing, was given a £392,000 payoff. Staff are being paid up to £90,000 to relocate to Salford.
 
 

I dunno about this bias conspiracy theory but 90% of app devs ain't interested in WP8. They either say it isn't worth it due to the small marketshare or have some bad history with MS.
 
Let's get real now: we still lack official apps like Instagram and most official apps we have suck donkey shit (see Whatsapp or official Twitter client) so no, this isn't bias. More like incompetence from MS and their inability to attract app devs.
The game situation is even worse...WP8 can now support whatever mobile engine out there and yet we are stuck with bad ports, missing games from WP7 and no goddamn Xbox game for what? 3 weeks now? And what MS is doing you ask? PORTING THEIR OWN GAMES TO iOS! BRILLIANT!
So stop directing this to BBC only and look at Windows Phone biggest enemy: Microsoft itself.

Microsoft is not hurting themselves. They have a platform that all developers are welcome to code for. They just don't.

Reason being is exactly as said, market share. If I coded an app, how many downloads would I get in an ecosystem of say 1,000,000 devices. At 1% or so, that is only revenue on 10,000 installs. A lot to a small time developer, but not to a corporation.

Now take the iPhone ecosystem with 100,000,000 devices or so worldwide. 1% would make revenue on 1,000,000 installs. See the difference there.

It is all the bottom line. It is not a matter of how much it costs to make the app, even though it factors into the total revenue, but rather if they will have enough users download the app to make it profitable.

As for windows 8, they can snub it if they like, but if they are concerned about coding for the PC, all they have to do is code a windows 7 app. It will run on windows 8 with no problems. There will just be no live tile.

They can cater to their sugar daddy (Apple) as much as they like, but the PC is still the bread and butter of computing on the desktop.

Isn't there a petition site we could get the ball rolling with? To show just how much interest there actually is?

I'm still not sure why I want an app for everything. This appification of the universe in fact doesn't seem necessarily like a positive thing. Can't I simply do everything BCC realted in my browser? Why do I need a specific BBC app?

Unfortunately, the world if having an app for everything is what Apple have bought us into. Until the iPhone it would be fine to keep everything web based. Now that w8 is out there, the desktop environment will start to become more app based....and my belief is that actually this will slowly eat away at the need to have a functional website!!

Maybe like CD's were to cassettes and websites are to physical copy, apps are just merely the next step. Not sure how that is seen as a bad thing

Because it won't be very touch friendly in a browser?  And if so, what's the point, when viewing on a tablet or touch centric OS like Windows 8 RT, if it's not touch friendly

When I was conversing with the manager of app development over at Opentable, he gave the very same excuse.  He stated that no further updates to Opentable would occur for Windows Phone until they saw "significant marketshare increase."  He also went on to say that they weren't going to develop any more apps for other OS's until "significant marketshare was witnessed", and then went on to say they improved their mobile site.
 
While I can somewhat agree, development is not cheap.  But that's the cost of doing business.  If you want to get your services and product out to the masses, you need to support iOS, Android, Windows Phone and Blackberry.
 
But I'm sick and tired of hearing things like this, especially when another app exists for say the Xbox.  HBO, BBC, iHeartRadio all have apps on the Xbox 360.  Yet, not for Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8.  It's simply rediculous that this is the case.

The worst part of this is that they're using public funds...they're practically obliged to support WP regardless of market-share. Who told them that business is their concern? Even in Canada we at least have CBC putting up a couple of decent WP apps (News and Hockey Night) and W8 apps (News, Hockey) - but the market for WP is not as big or pronounced as it is in Britain. Absolutely disgusting.

They got the money, they can do whatever they want. Only way is for huge public complaint with legal action. Then they will shake a little.

"Who told them that business is their concern?"  Their charter.  And the same public who complain when they spend too much money on biscuits.
 
"the market for WP is not as big or pronounced as it is in Britain".  WP market share in the UK is around a sixth that of the iphone, and around a tenth that of android.  And about half that of blackberry. *sadface*
 

You can hear our voices but will make no difference for these top developers stance. WP will continue to struggle for these apps. Only one way to secure good standing apps on WP and that is for MS to put 100% on rising 3rd party developers such as metrotube or Ask Ziggy.

Sorry for each of you crying but I personally won't miss one word of tripe out of their liberal biased, propaganda spewing, pedo-hiding, pie-hole... BTW, have you checked out that awesome Fox News App. (go ahead call me a Troll already) :P

And we wonder why people find it difficult to switch to WP? Its little things like this that can change someone's mind, WP really needs to push for the apps people want! And they need to be on tv along side iOS and Android, simple apps people need and search for on the WP market and cant find can be a tad bit annoying! I love my WP but I'm getting sick and tired of people not wanting to make good quality apps that people want to use its a big big hindrance for potential customers wanting to switch over to WP once they find out it hasn't got this or that bang another iOs and Android device sold!

Gimmie a break! Make do with one less Model-Wannabee "Presenter" and get back to serving the Public's needs, not Apple's!

"Dear potential customers/users/subscribers/income,
We don't want you.
F right off."
Never have understood this logic. 3% (or whatever number you choose) of the entire mobile population is still a HUGE number of people. Companies like Amazon get it. Provide your services to everyone possible. That's how it should be done.

Yup amazons everyone's homie. market share or not if you have a service wouldn't the best interest for yourself to provide it for everyone?

Has anyone from WPC gone to the BBC with the very valid points made in the artice above?
Also why is sreaming via the mobile site of iPlayer not even available to WP8 users? I've heard that the BBC are claiming it is because of a known bug in IE that Microsoft refuse to fix?

Lack of Win phone support at the moment I can digest since market share is not that big, but Win 8?? Last I heard window commands ~ 80% marker share world wide, and although Win 8 is not near that at the moment, it will eventually make it. I'm not a detective or anything, but something is not quite right here. Almost sounds like the big fat cats @ BBC own truckloads of Apple share and they're not ready to sell yet. Just saying.

The problem is, it may take years for Windows Phone to become a platform everyone wants to develop for.  Lets face it, it's been two years since WP7 came out and it's still barely a blip on the radar.  As a consumers we see things diferently.  Most of you are big fans of the Windows Phone 8 UI so it attracted you.  When people go to shop for smart phones they have displays of sharp looking UIs staring at them.  Every Android brand has it's own UI to entice shoppers.  And if you get tired of the UI it came with, you can change it.  Windows Phone has just one.  And your stuck with it.  That means that Windows Phone has less of a chance of appealing to a large number of people.  Just like is a car maker sold a really amazing car but in only one color.  It wouldn't sell as well because not everyone wants that color.    Not everyone finds tiles, live or otherwise to be appealing.  There's very little way beyond changing which tiles, what size and where they are to customize and make the phone your own.  Well you can change the color scheme, that's exciting for about ten minutes.  One size fits all isn't always the best busines model.  As much as I'm really not a MSFT fan anymore, I still want Windows Phone to survive and grow.  Consumer choice is a great thing. And maybe some day I'll go to it but it's got to be flexible enough to look the way I want it to look, not just a bunch of tiles I'm stuck with day in and day out.  And I want to be able to install apps on the storage card as well as internal. I had 3 Windows Mobile devces and loved those.  If the Windows Phone UI looked more like that, and less like Jr's First Smart phone, I'd be grabbing it up.   Its nice that you folks love Windows phone and tell Microsoft that.  But the ones Microsoft needs to listen to are the ones who are still buying Android and iPhone.  They need to find out why their product wasn't chosen and change it to add more appeal. 

Are you suggesting that you can just flip a switch and change your car into a truck? Stop talking nonsense. If you buy a car you are just as stuck with its look as with WP - only thing you can do about it is repaint it/change color of the tiles. Or add a case/spoiler/bumper.

I think you missed the point about the car. Although im not sure its the best one to make, I see where the poster is getting at. They aren't suggesting that you can change your car on a whim if your bored with the wheels. But when buying a car, there are options. With WP, its live tiles and the stock theme colors and that's it. Now, that's obviously a bit simplistic in description as once you fill your phone with info, the tiles come to life.

But I guess the point they are trying to make is that if that the customization and flexibility (however stable or unstable it may get) with Android might be a bit more attractive to some

Android phone don't sell good because people want to chop and mod them. They don't. Just as with cars - people just want things to work, and choosing a theme colour, ringtone and wallpaper is enough.
Android phones sell millions because their cheap and the thanks to the hype around the overrated Galaxy S.
The flexibility and instability of android is attractive only to a minority of lunatics. It's a niche hobby just like making and riding choppers.

BBC have made two top gear apps for WP7. No doubt to test the water. Download and rate them to boost impression. Then write any angry letter.

Why I don't care about top gear, and I'm not lying to make them feel better. Release the apps people want and you will get a better response.

Well it would give them some first hand data to show people are using Windows... Would only take a moment. Otherwise both parties can bitch.

The top gear comes from a BBC worldwide or something, a commercial arm, not the publicly funded corporation. So unfortunately it probably doesn't meant anything

The BBC Marketplace App by L. Gripper is pretty good. I use it everyday with no issues. The BBC can go hang!

It all comes down to money..always has been..always will be..the greedy corporate guys don't care about anything or anybody but their own pockets..standing before them is a huge opportunity with the Windows 8 eco system!!!

Same story in Sweden, but we are ripping their pants down for every smokescreen they rip out.
 
http://kontakt.svtplay.se/org/svt-play/d/windows-phone-8-1/
 
http://kontakt.svtplay.se/org/svt-play/d/tack-for-inget-stod-till-windows-phone-8/
 
"Thank you for redefining what public service is: Public service = Public service (public service, public utility, public radio or public-TV1) is a radio or television activities designed to provide the public with a special kind of enrichment programs by the company in question has an agreement with the state regarding its content. But of course to not allow a public service activity that Windows Phone 8 users may use their services."

By the way. The YouTube-clips in the forum is from a guy who ported/developed his own SVT-Play app for WinPhone 8 (in 6-8 hours) - despite the face that SVT said that they were "unable" and unwilling to do so.

Wow, so many things wrong with your article it's hard to know where to start...
 
Suggesting that's it's bias that has made the BBC decide not to develop a WP iplayer app is absurd, and ignores the fact that many other large organisations have not yet made WP apps as the market share is too small.  For a direct comparison, see if you can find a Sky Go WP app - and are you telling me that if Murdoch could make money from a WP app, he wouldn't be instructing his minions to develop one?.  It's really frustrating as a user but you can't really argue it's not fair that the two alternative ecosystems are better served - for the last quarter of 2012  Android and iOS both had market share at least 20 times that of WP, of course they're better served!  As far as a bias towards iOS specifically, I had a quick look and the BBC has 17 android apps on the play store.  Nuff said I think.
 
Your argument about not supporting windows 8 is frankly stupid, and clearly an excuse to rehash a lot of old tripe about apple favouritism.  I use iplayer a lot...on my xbox, on my daughter's kindle fire, and on my windows 8 laptop.  And on windows 8 I have the choice of using the native windows app (which admittedly is pretty old and clunky, but crucially does work and let's me download HD programmes to watch without stuttering) or the web browser which looks great and works as well as my occasionally flaky broadband does.  Why o why does the BBC support iOS, android and even xbox, but not windows 8?  Surely it's unfair bias, or because all BBC execs are pedos who use one of the two most popular mobile OS?  Well perhaps it's because they do support windows 8, and in the same way they support OS X...with the browser.

It's a service funded by public money for a specific purpose.   In this case to inform, educate and entertain the public.  That doesn't mean pandering to the specific needs of every single member of the public, and the BBC trust assesses how the BBC uses it's public funding to the greatest effect - I'm not aware of many things that the BBC does that is targetted specifically and only at 2.5% of its public (the rough percentage of UK households with a WP).

The primary mission of public broadcasting that of public service, speaking to and engaging as a citizen.[1] The British model has been widely accepted as a universal definition.[2][3][4] The model embodies the following principles:

  • universal accessibility (geographic)
  • universal appeal (general tastes and interests)
  • particular attention to minorities
  • contribution to sense of national identity and community
  • distance from vested interests
  • direct funding and universality of payment
  • competition in good programming rather than numbers
  • guidelines that liberate rather than restrict programme-makers

How do this correlate with the fact that BBC is actively supporting a duopoly in the cellphone and tablet world? It seems to me that they have lost their soul and tradition and therefore is not Public service anymore.

 

Thanks for your comment; firstly can you advise how you got to the number 17 for the official Android apps from the BBC? I'm not seeing that number, I'd concede if I’m doing something wrong but I’m seeing half that. 

Onto the subject of Windows Phone not getting an app, the platform has smaller market share and as I stated in my article the BBC has plenty of other excuses for not making an app. Money, time, etc etc. I don’t actually see what your point is beyond that, you're arguing the BBC shouldn’t make one for Windows Phone because Android and Apple have bigger market share? The BBC bankrolled apps for the iPhone well before it was in today's position, emerging technology and all that. They have only recently begrudgingly made some apps for Android, its not good enough, not good enough at all.

You call out my article for being stupid and an excuse to rehash apple favouritism. While your counter argument is really compelling about having an Xbox and Windows 8 machine and being over the moon with using the browser I'd have to say I cannot agree.

You seem quite content that the Beeb should support Android and iOS due to their market share but fail to recognise the massive numbers of Windows 8 machines that will be bouncing into homes this year. Even if the OS does as 'poorly' as Vista those numbers will be huge. If you have been watching the CES coverage at all you might notice the sheer number of touch based Windows 8 machine taking up space on every front page of most sites. I know the browser and the x86 era abandon ware app (based on Adobe Air of all things) is enough for you but what about folks who want to download the app from the Windows Store and have something that doesn’t require the desktop? 

If you are looking for any other evidence of bias – check exhibit (A) BBC Click – I think it’s a technology program - Rob

"approximately 75% of the UK smartphone market. Apps are costly to develop and maintain and, as a publicly funded organisation, we have to prioritise our development"
So as a PUBLICLY funded organisation, let's ignore the rest 25% of society that is funding us... now that's some class you've got BBC, really nice PR treatment...

Put a Windows Phone handset in the hands of Duchess Catherine... WP's British userbase need not worry any more.

Microsoft themselves abandoned Lumia 800/900 users as there were very few of them and did it almost completely, should anyone wonder BBC, Lloyds TSB don't care about a small segment of smartphone users community?

Just the fact that the beeb get away with calling it "i" player tells you all you need to know! Apple have viciously attacked everything else that started with "i" something
Simply put, the beeb are in apples pockets....

This is why I dont pay my licence fee; I'm going to raise concerns with the BBC Trust, my local MP and Ofcom as a result of this latest revelation. The BBC have always been the biggest apple marketing machine, but this is getting beyond the joke, and completely breaching their own policy laid down by the BBC Trust. Its too expensive to a fecking app for windows 8 and windows phone, but they can pay off their DG £450,000 for 53 days work... How about they allow a 3rd party to develop it then, and allow them to sell it? It may breach thier own internal policy, and that laid down by the government and BBC Trust, but since when did that matter?!!

I don't know if it's just me, but it's starting to seem like some sort of conscious effort by big corporations to have MSFT fail. Now, that sounds completely illogical, cynical, paranoid and even to some extent, as a conspiracy theory, but jeez, I just don't get it. Who are paying these people off?

Ha ha, the money thing with the BBC makes me laugh.

Stop paying all the execs and news readers, stupid salaries and pissing the license fee up the wall.

Its honestly a joke. The BBC has given up pretty much all of its sports coverage it has, has barely anything anymore all because it had to cut costs. Hint: Go to the above paragraph to find why this is.

Its also funny how unbias the BBC ISN'T. impartial my ass, would you like an Apple product with that?

Right, not read the comments yet, but will do very shortly.

I think seeing they are publicly funded we should set up a petition through the government or something.

I don't understand how they can disregard Windows 8. It is pretty much fact that by the end of this year it will have more devices using it than ios has managed since its conception. Windows 8 is not small so this is either complete laziness or pure favouritism of a particular brand (which the BBC are not allowed to do).

Fair enough Top Gear is there, but as mentioned in the article, that app comes from the commercial arm of the organization.

The BBC is supposed to be renowned throughout the world for innovating and being at the pinnacle if broadcasting....this is a pretty poor show if you ask me.

Channel 4 has got a windows 8 app out, and also publicly funded so if they can justify it so can the BBC.

While I agree with the petition. There is no license fee to Channel 4, their revenue is from advertising. They are publicly owned but commercially funded which is different.

I was pretty convinced that channel 4 got some public funding although most from advertising.....but I could be completely wrong on that onr

The quotation in this article refers to "Windows 8 mobile". To me, that doesn't mean Windows 8. It's WP8.

Is it just me, or might you have the wrong end of the stick?

Reading the original article on neowin, they specifically ask about Windows 8 / RT....the answer is still no, even though using the word mobile....but I would guess that this is meaning not supporting tablets and therefore touch, and therefore win 8 store app

Personally I will stick to the players who choose to support WP8 NOW and reward them with continued support when the ecosystem grows to a level when these people decide its 'worth it' to finally jump in.

Complete and utter rubbish by the BBC. I'm in the middle of a 5 day course on Mobility Strategy & Apps and we have just been told that your strategy needs to be in place first i.e. Native or Hybrid. The BBC have set their stall out and are going native and will only develop on these platforms. That gives you a pure device experience but is costly. You typically want to do this if you want to make use of the device core features - camera, sensors etc. iPlayer doesn't need these features so why they didn't go Hybrid (and hence use middleware for device translation) is the reason why they can't support Windows Phone. Why can't the BBC state this?

I don't get it. All their excuses with the mobile market is because Windows Phone is such a small chunk. Well guess what? In the PC/Laptop Windows 8 IS THE MARKET. I smell a rat...

They didn't say they were not going to support Windows 8, they said they had no plans to support it yet. The self entitlment these days is unreal.

NIce of you to add the "yet" part.  They stated there are no plans to support Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8.  No plans, means no plans.  How is it being "self entitled" when people are complaining that the BBC has chosen to take this stance on Windows and Windows Phone 8?

While the word "yet" wasn't used exactly, it does say not in the immediate future. So while I'm not holding my breath, one can take it as it will come down the pike at some point.

You guys are taking things too far. It's not like the Xbox 360 received the app right on release, it probably took a year or more. It took a zillion years for Android support so don't expect BBC to tell their IT guys and programmers to drop everything and make Windows 8 a priority. That is hilarious that you guys expect that. They certainly won't take money away from a documentary or show and hire a Windows 8 app team and that is exactly how a business should run, publically funded or not.

You simply don't get it, do you?
The primary mission of public broadcasting that of public service, speaking to and engaging as a citizen.[1] The British model has been widely accepted as a universal definition.[2][3][4] The model embodies the following principles:

  • universal accessibility (geographic)
  • universal appeal (general tastes and interests)
  • particular attention to minorities
  • contribution to sense of national identity and community
  • distance from vested interests
  • direct funding and universality of payment
  • competition in good programming rather than numbers
  • guidelines that liberate rather than restrict programme-makers

BBC simply cannot call themselves Public service if that is requirements they do not meet.  

No you don't get it do you. Windows 8 JUST fricking came out. LOL. Expecting them to have some 12 stage plan with blurprints up and running already and whining about it on forums is unreasonable at best, at worst it is some self entitlemnt BS. 
If it was funded by public billionaires, then you might have a small case. But the public funding comes from organizations that take what they can from the average joe so the funding is obviously limited, which means the scraps after their shows get funded are limited to mostly Apple and partly Android. That is just how the world works

Yes, Windows 8 was released last year.  But that's NOT THE ISSUE.  It's the fact tha BBC has stated "they have no plans to support Windows 8."  IF they were really working on a native app, they could very well have stated "we are working diligently on a Windows 8 app, but we have no release date at this point."  They chose not to release that as a comment.

You simply DO NOT get how PUBLIC SERVICE work. Get your facts straighted out or be an utter fact denier and live with that.

Windows 8 may have only just launched to the consumer, but in the developer world it has been around for quite some time now. Any company that is looking at the future of technology should be aware that this is not going to be a small platform and the earlier they are on it the better both the platform and their service will be.

In the end Microsoft had mobile in the palm of their hands and completely dropped the ball. Only MS to blame for their 2% market share. I hope MS can change this soon.

[RANT]It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that some pompous pratt at the beeb has their head up Apple's dirty behind. There is absolutely no excuse for them not to port over there apps to W8 & Wp8. [/RANT] I have just requested info on when I can expect their app services on Windows - as a paying customer (via Twitter).

Honestly! I have said a hundred times...i have never been a fan of or cared about BBC, don't care if the ever come....there are apps out there now that do a far better job than they do and with much more style...WE DON'T NEED THEM! Besides, their favorite color is pink.....yeesh!

I registered a complaint on the BBC website and I'll inquire on Twitter.  Complaining in the forum should also encourage action, otherwise nothing will change.  I hope all of you will make your voice heard by submitting a complaint on the website and via social media channels. 

The strange thing is (I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this all read), BBC were quick to adopt the new 'Metro' UI on their main website yet iPlayer still looks like a child went nuts with a keyboard and mouse. This is clearly iSheepery. The BBC can do any product placement yet they clearly showed off iPads in the early days. Although the news reporters use Microsoft keyboard and mouse with blue track.

I don't know why we keep agonizing about the BBC being absent from the ecosystem. Who cares, they're a bunch of biased left wing whackjobs anyway. Get Fox News.

Fox news is not really an option in the UK.  Not only that, the BBC is more than just news for us over here.  It is the backbone of our whole broadcasting industry

That's total bull!!! BBC knows that there will be so many people using it!!! And why don't they ask people to pay for it? I would be happy to pay like 79p... And if zynga a basic fb app company can make a game for windows why cant the massive corporation BBC make one?!

The only aspect of this I've been particularly bothered about it the ability to watch videos on the BBC news site. I recently discovered that the mobile version of the BBC news site works really well on WP7 now - including the ability to watch the videos!

Its ridiculous here in the UK I am forced to pay a TV license and yet I am not served with TV to my devices, what the BBC is saying is quite simple, whilst we are a publicly funded company we have acknowledged only 75% of our user base as worthy of content, however the rest have to keep paying we don't care if they do not own a iPhone or Android device unless you own one of those we will not provide you with our services... Which you pay for....

Here in Norway we have to pay a TV-licence for NRK (our version of BBC) if we own a TV with a non DVB-T reciever, even though the non DVB-T transmitters were shut down a while ago. Gotta love a greedy government.

Yes, here in the UK we have to pay for a tv license even if we were to only watch a pay for channel suck as Sky.

I really think microsofts best bet to is to keep xbox live games solely on windows phones and release more games for xbox live more apps like halo waypoint for other games and just play the gaming smartphone role....i know its limited but it better then getting shafted by like virtually every major orginization

As a publicly funded organisation I want you to make your services available on as many platforms as possible. Sighting % as a reason for not supporting a platform is frankly not good enough we are after all talking 4 major mobile OS platforms. As others have pointed out Android and Apple devices saw support very early on long before they reached the numbers they have today yet they seemed to have no problems jumping on board.

So if i understand this correctly if i'm not dumb enough to buy an over rated and over priced iphone i can't have a BBC app!
SO do i get a rebate on my tv licence then! why should i contribute towards their apps? come to think of it 95% of my tv viewing is idependent or satalite tv! the only programs i watch is top gear and breakfast news. RIPOFF!

I am not just pointing my finger at the BBC but all of these companies and people sit down everyday at their Windows based computer's never thinking to thank Microsoft back by supporting their Windows Phone even though everything that was made possible to fatten their wallet was contributed by Microsoft in many ways! I agree Microsoft was before Android and Apple with the smart phones and they didn't put enough into it... And to some extent they are not putting enough into it now! I think they need to bring back the Zune sync and make the Windows Market place like the Android Play or better!

I can't believe so many people are surprised at news of bias at the BBC. Horrible corporation. I don't miss their programming at all.

The one thing I did notice was that the comment says "Windows 8 Mobile Devices" are we 100% sure they are ruling out a Windows 8 Desktop App?

It's kind of weird that something as huge as BBC can't afford to build a WP app, when a much much smaller company like TV2 in here in Norway can afford to create 2 apps for WP.
 
Also if they don't want to build it themself, create good APIs so 3rd parties can create great apps.

 

"What we are seeing is the BBC switch tact from ‘can’t’ to ‘won’t’"

 

The phrase is "to switch/change tack", not "tact". Yes, the BBC seems to be changing tactics, which trips up a lot of people who (mis)use the phrase and leads to the mistake in the article. However like many English phrases this has a nautical origin: in sailing, changing your tack - or angle of attack relative to the prevailing wind - amounts to changing the direction of the boat. So "to change tack" is to choose a different direction or alternative path.

 

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/change+tack

 

Sorry to nitpick, but the writing on here is usually pretty good so thought you might appreciate the input ^_^

Not really wanting to nitpick. But is changing tactics the same as changing tack. Both are attack something from a different angle, a new way if approach a situation, making a change in direction.....all are expressions if the same thing. Yes you are correct that the spelling from the original saying should be tack. But actually the meaning is the same regardless!!

The BBC have a killer content but seem ineffective at monetising this, and partially loosening the yoke of accountability along a dotted line to government and us taxpayers and license fee payers. There is a new market out there which would easily cover their app creation and maintenance costs to the benefit of extending the reach of their platforms and probably turn a decent profit as user numbers continue to swell on W8 and WP8 along with all the other OS types. Despite their attitude which really winds me up, I still would be happy to pay £5 for a WP7 or WP8 app for use on my mobile device. Netflix are doing very well with a subscription model for their business which pays for their apps across all platforms, the BBC content archive is streaming gold and all they have to do is free up their archives and set up a wireline subscription business. But sadly, despite the large salaries of their management personnel they appear to lack either innovation or the necessary investment or both.

Right, here is my 2 cents worth....

On the whole, I actually think that the service the BBC provide is amazing, far superior to many of the UK competitors and without all the advertising. To then go further with radio stations, news service and even the help to students by providing study services such as bytewise (or whatever it is called). All if this is pretty amazing for a cost which is massively less than someone like Sky.

I can also understand why Windows Phone is not supported, market share means a big thing, a public company cannot be seen to be wasting money.

Having said all of that, when it comes to Windows 8 I really do not see any excuse at all. It is an OS that will have a massive following over the course of this year, one that will be far greater than ios has achieved since its launch.

Windows 8 should not be put onto the same categories as mobile.

For an organisation that is supposed to be offering a public service. I do not believe that 75% is really achieving a majority in an a acceptable way (yes, I understand maths). For me the BBC should be looking at supporting services for closer to 90% of the license payer market. To achieve a level like this would mean that those missed off are truly a minority....will never be able to please everyone....perhaps the top 4 mobile os would suffice, I bet that is high 90%!!

Oh, and another point. It is no longer the case that a company can just create an OS for it to be successful in the public eye. Certainly when it comes to mobile. So for organizations such as the BBC which are providing a public service I believe that there should actually be a requirement to help the smaller platform in order to allow for fair competition. In fact, I even think that Google should conform to this same practice along with many other private companies that have grown to the level of providing a public service...facebook, twitter (where are their official win8 apps?). All the complaints in media are to do with lack of apps, if these bigger organizations supported companies in this early stage, then it would be a much fairer world (and I'm pretty certain ms would pay for some of these ) YouTube for example). Imagine a world where people couldn't complain about a lack if big name apps.

I of course understand that with all business it comes down to financial justification.....but I'm sure these issues are sumountable.

This is a major issue in the UK.

Sky and the BBC are shoving adverts for their own apps in our faces constantly. It is wall-to-wall free advertising for Apple right now (assuming that Apple aren't paying). These two organisations are the absolute key to people in the UK taking Windows Phone and/or Windows 8 seriously in terms of apps. They have both made a massive investment in iOS and a reluctant investment in Android. They clearly do not want to take on a third platform.

For the BBC, they need to be pressured into it by users harassing them, as they call this 'public opinion'. We could be more organised about this.

For Sky, they need a massive bung from Microsoft and/or Nokia. This would be a far more effective use of marketing funds than any adverts, providing that Sky are required to mention Windows whenever they mention iOS.
Having Sky on board would add to pressure on the BBC.

BBC Click, their techology programme has been reporting more and more on Windows Phone, why not tweet them your concerns. Maybe if enough peoplke contact them something will be done.

Frankly, the BBC is not a legitimate news organization, because they are funded by government.  Second, government organizations are notorious for being bought off under the table.  Slip the right people the right amount of cash, and they'll snub whoever you'd like. 

WP8 has a long way to go to match the success of iPhone or Android purely because of slow app takeoff. If in 6 months there aren't a lot more of the mainstream everday apps available then what is the incentive to buy a WP8 device?

That's it I am tossing my tea in my tea cup and calling it a day but in all honesty all this could change in an instant if Microsoft wanted it too...

Its a joke that they deny the public the chance to use a public service payed for by the tv licence payer! But spend millions on new premises and transporting 'Celebrities' to Manchester! I think it would possibly cost little to implement a iplayer for windows phone 8 and windows 8, especially as windows 8's national and international market share is the fastest growing platform (upgrade / new investment) maybe its time for a petition to the government to enquire why the bbc though improving its infrastructure is neglecting the publics requests. The payoff given to the dg pf the bbc could have paid for it and then some.