Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920
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Quick take: Samsung Galaxy S4 versus the Nokia Lumia 920

Today here in New York, Samsung finally pulled the sheet off of the Galaxy S4, their next big flagship Android phone for 2013. Due at the end of April, the phone looks almost exactly like the S3 save a few minor differences, but it’s the guts and software that make this a killer device. It will launch on a massive 327 operators in 155 countries for complete global reach.

We’ll spare you all the details of the S4, though it does feature 2GB of RAM, an eight-core Samsung Exynos 5410 running at 1.8GHz, a triple-core PowerVR SGX 544 graphics chip with a massive 2600mAh battery. Oh yeah, it also has a swanky 5” 1080P Super AMOLED display at 440 PPI and various sensors, including Infrared gesture, temperature and humidity sensors, which while gimmicky is still really neat. Finally, it sports a 13MP rear and 2MP front camera, with some new "innovations" like two-way shot.

We briefly put it up against our Nokia Lumia 920 in a video and while this is far from a controlled “versus” battle, you can at least get an idea of how Samsung’s beast looks against Nokia’s.

Should Windows Phone and Microsoft be worried?

As much as we hate to admit it, yes. Samsung is a juggernaut right now with a lot of momentum. Just as the S3 is peaking globally they’re showing off the next version, which nicely builds off of its predecessor. For all of Android’s faults (and yes there are plenty), since the 4.2 1 update the operating system has stabilized with a more coherent feel to it.

Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920

The problem is becoming clearer with every release: Samsung (and other Android OEMs) can out maneuver Microsoft and its partners, both for phones and new iterations of the OS (though carrier updates are a separate issue).

Don’t get us wrong, loyal readers, we’re not down on Windows Phone at all and still prefer it. But we’re not blind either to recognize that tonight, the completion just ratcheted up to a new level. And if you saw the money and determination behind the Galaxy S product line, you’d be concerned too.

Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920

For more hands on video of the Samsung Galaxy S4 and more information, head to our sister site Android Central for all the details.

Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920

Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920

Samsung Galaxy S4 versus Nokia Lumia 920

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Quick take: Samsung Galaxy S4 versus the Nokia Lumia 920

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Really? How? Maybe the next true Lumia flagship release will compete, but not the 928, at least on a hardware level.

I agree that Touchwiz has been awful ever since it debuted on Windows Mobile, but once XDA gets a vanilla optimized rom on this thing, it's going to fly.

I think the whole industry will see another transition, now GS4 will be the standard and others will compare their products against GS4 instead of iPhone.

Im not worried its as arse ugly and most likely easy to break as the last one the new 928 is not far away and its going to be a blood barth watch your back SAMDUNG ! lol

I would never buy a Samsung product after that presentation, what a piece of ignorat sh%t really. I am blown away how completely insane Samsung is acting up on stage. Poor, horrible, embarrasing, tragicomic and ridiculous.... I really dont know what to say. I'm confident and happy with Nokia because they don't treat like im some complete idiot.

But lets not pretend that Nokia knows presentations. Their Lumia 920 presentation was horrible. Their female speaker puts people to sleep and the other guy doesn't even know what he is talking about. This was slightly entertaining to watch and they actually showed how people would use certain features. I still love my Lumia 920, but Nokia needs a lesson in presentations.

So far, only Ahtisaari knows how to present properly at Nokia. Watch his N9 presentation, great speaker.

Agreed. I saw Ahtisaari video on Lumia 620 and rewound the video a couple of times more. He's something else.

That is actually how plays are like. LOL It really needed a story and some emotional bits though or the broadway style just looks terrible.

We shouldn't be worried because we already know were not much of a threat to uncle Sam, and that were already stable as an enterprise/business niche. ICrap on the other hand...

my gf has a s3 & is very happy with it but when she sees this I'm betting on a upgrade, thats loyalty & familiarity. I'm sticking with nokia

At this point, my next phone is going to be a One or a GS4 and I'll keep my Titan II as a back up.

MS is really going to have to lift restrictions on hardware since WP8 can scale and lower the WP license fees so that Samsung & HTC can put more money into R&D to get compelling hardware like the GS4 and One to market faster. The HTC One is THE phone I've been pining for to come with WP and now I can only hope that the ATIV S 2 gets specs like this as well.

Closed systems like WP and IOS can never compete with an open platform, like Android and the old windows OS.  Too bad MS wanted to copy Apple and gave up the openness of windows mobile.  Time to Open both windows 8 and windows phone 8 up.

I see what you're saying, but remember that iOS and WP being closed is to prevent the altering of system level processes and provide more security for their devices. Android is an open OS and frankly, easier to adopt because OEM's can change the look to give their devices distinction against competitors and the openness of the platform allows plenty of development (iOS is an exception, since most application development occurs in that platform, despite it being a closed OS.), but it can also invite malware and such due to the vulnerability provided by Android's commitment to remain open to everyone.

Open and closed operating systems have their downsides, it's the consumer's decision on which one they should use and side on.

While I was scrolling down home page of wpcentral, I saw the main pic of this article and thought "Another comparison of Lumia 920 and S3 oh its S4".... So design wise Samsung cannot come up with something unique

Windows Phone is always the same thing: Respectable (but not top notch) specs at the time of launch, then the next ones are always targeting the mid-range, losing half RAM here, half storage there, alongside with lower resolutions displays and cameras, and that's it over the time. It was there with WP7 and it seems to be the same (failed) recipe with WP8.
 

That's because that has been Nokia's modus operandi even back during the Symbian days; they'd release a higher end device, say, a Nokia N8, then after that, a series of lower spec versions of the same phone.
That strategy is fine for developing markets like China and India, but in places like North America and Europe where carrier subsidies exist, most customers tend to go for the top spec devices.

No way would i choose Samsung over Nokia are by far the best to me soon as there new phones are announced ill simply be saying told you so XD

 

iPhone 5:  123.8 mm, 58.6 mm, 7.6 mm, 112 grams

S4:  136.6 mm, 69.8 mm, 7.9 mm, 130 grams

 

I don't understand why no company dares to create a premium phone thinner or lighter than the iphone.  I guess they think we all want large phones >_<.
 

Just because people buy the larger phones (and for phones you mentioned, sales are lower than sales of iphone) doesnt mean  every single company should make large phones.  They have totally given up on that segment of the market.

Of course not every company should make large phones, but they do sell well. Also, companies haven't given up on smaller phones BUT smaller phones don't come with that "wow" factor that consumers fawn over when seeing one up front in the store.

:/  How thin and light a phone, laptop, or tablet is not only one of the things that creates the largest wow factor, but it is how consumers measure the age of a device.  When consumers see thick products they think older, thinner and lighter is newer.  Why in the world would a larger screen create a wow factor?

That is because 7.6mm and 112 grams is tiny. It is like saying I don't get why no one is more anorexic than Sarah. Because we don't want anyone to be anorexic..........
 
I don't know about WP8 oems, but Android manufacturers do not do this because anything less than 1080p and Quadcore and 2100 mah battery gets labelled as a mid range phone. Only way you get a high end smaller phone is if the 1080p monsters did not exist.
Technically, there are a lot of high end smaller Android phones like the Xiaomi Phone 2, Meizu MX Quad, Acer Cloudmobile, and the Xperia V etc. But they get written off right away so manufacturers do not bother. The iphone 5 is a dual core, 1 gb of ram, 1450 mah, with a less than 720p screen. No way that would fly outside of Apple land. Even Windows Phone 8 you should be at least 720p now.
If someone released the iphone 5 on Android it would be dead on arrival. The HTC One S has Galaxy S3 internals with Anodized aluminum and a slightly lower resolution screen and that died instantly, for example.

Apple was confused with the term "the bigger, the better" when they made the iPhone 5, because the screen was only taller compared to the iPhone 4 & 4S. It never grew wider in size.

Nokia is king of Design. Followed by htC.. esp their Android designs are very good.
I am looking forward to 978 and EOS just to see how nokia is deisnging them. I myself am enjoying the 710 and it design. my dad is rocking the 900. sis and brother in law will be rocking 620 soon.

This is one of the reason Samsung delayed and didn't even care of their WP..the launch of SGIV..

Just went to GSMArena to check out the specs sheet and once again Samsung has failed to have ONE model for all markets.  They are going to do the same as they did with the S2 and S3 and that is Exynos for everyone except for the North American market.  The excuse they used for doing that for the previous models was because they couldn't get LTE radios onto the Exynos chipset and we are in the fourth generation of this phone and they still couldn't get it right.

If they can't being the Exynos to the US that's definitely going to cut a few sells. They can't be this deep in and still not make it work.

I am happy with my Lumia 920... Don't really give a shit about what what HTC and Samsung is doing. Yeah the phones are great and so will HTC and Nokia future phones. I'm not due for an upgrade til September of 2014. Until that time I am going to enjoy my NL920.. Just like those who bought high end Android phones in 2012.

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I am enjoying my 710 and i bought my dad a 900 with 7.8 and will get my sis and brother in law lumia 620s and everyone is and will be happy. I dont see anything intresting. I would like to just see new phones from nokia since they give unique and different designs. You see so many designed and all samsung could do is make S4 loook like the same crappy S3 with software gimick and some temp and humidity sensors. Crap.. I wait for nokia to release to see the next appealing design. samsung is dull and boring. htC provides good andriod designs but nobody buys it..  

Frankly i dont like spending more than 250 dollars for an unlocked phones and i used it for a year or two max and then move on.. I think i will get 920 , 820 end of this year or next and it should be around 250 dollars.. who knows. anyway all of us are enjoying it.. so thats fine.
Now all i need is 710 to get 7.8 and i am all set for a year.

What is wrong with people!
Lumia 920 runs WP8 - wins over awful OS on S4
Lumia 920 looks great  - wins over dull looking S4
Who the F cares if S4 has 2GB memory and a higher res camera?? (lets see if the camera is actually better on the S4 - I doubt it).
920 does everything you could want a smartphone to do and more.  For those who have one - wait till the contract runs out by which time it will about the right time to get the very latest generation phone.
Chasing the latest tech and regretting what you just bought is a mugs game.

S4 has a bigger screen and better resolution... Higher ram and new sensors like infrared, temperature and humidity... WP cannot even catch up with s4 specs with limitations... Now I know what open sourced means... It is a good replacement for my Lumia 900 which was marked outdated by MS in just two months of purchase... It is the anger and frustration with Microsoft that is making me to switch

Enjoy your infrared and humidity censors.
BTW other than these sensory, all the others are software gimmicks, why cant samsung send the sofware updates to SGS 3?.. and you dont complain about it.

You seemed to have completely dodged to part about screen size, resolution, oh and throw in PPI for good measure. 

Plus thinner, and muuuuch lighter....

Where is my DRM for xbox video MicroShaft!  I mean WTF!  I am going to get the HTC One and keeps my 920 just in case.

As expected, an impressive phone but as with every Samsung, it will require a sturdy case. The dealbrdaker is that it will come with CarrierIQ and TouchWiz.

Non-techies have forgotten about CarrierIQ already and techies will just root and flash a vanilla rom. Neither of those issues will stop sells.

Whenever a non-techie asks my opinion about mobile phone, I give them pros and cons for all platforms but I always list CarrierIQ as the biggest negative to Android.

i dont understand what you guys want from Samsugn. they dont care about wP and their offering as so unimpressive. if you like them so much, get a S4 and be satisfied. We have nokia releasing a ton of phones with very uniquely designed phones and you cannot appreciate it. you guys just want the andriod phones without andriod in it and the one who doesnt care about the OS. enjoy waiting for crappy phones.

why do you have the 920's screen at such a low level of brightness...   it looks totally washed out compared to the Galaxy 4...   Way to make the 920 look bad...  

Samsung treats cell phones as a core business, Microsoft treats them as a hobby. Nokia is a fantastic phone manufacturer using an out dated os. If anyone doubts the above compare updates, apps, events, and advertising between Microsoft, Samsung and Nokia and it becomes apparent that two of the businesses are invested in mobile and one isn't.

Microsoft made an outstanding os and it's not for them to advertise it. It's not like you can buy an WP8 license and a install cd and install the os on any phone. So it's up to OEM to do the advertising. So MS can't advertise to people something that OEMs decide or not to bring to their phones. MS OS is the biggest investment on an OS for mobile phones. Live tiles push the boundaries not because they are cool but because of what that means. You get rid of the android background services for syncing (sucks battery keeps using data and hog down your phone especially when a new internet connection is discovered) and you move to real and I mean real push notifications. MS made a great job for developers to create new good performing apps. It's not their fault that people are lazy and unprofessional and just want the quick and dirty ways of the android.

And fyi I love my 920, but we all know for all their faults Android flagships and iPhone 5 out feature wp8 2 to 1.

I've been reading some rumors about the Nokia eos and I think Qualcomm is holding there snapdragon 800 for windows, ain't it wierd that no OEM has it being there most powerful it holds up to 55 megapixel's. My guess is that Microsoft already took of there gloves for wp9.

I love not being a fanboy anymore. After suckling incoherently on Apple's test for 5 years I finally woke up and left them for my 920.

And while I like it a lot, I am nothing but stoked to see Samsung making some awesome phones. Can't wait to see what their Tizen OS is like, and can't wait to see what Apple pulls out for iPhone 5S and iPhone 6. And yeah, excited to see how Msoft reacts and hope they can make WP truly relevant...

So many great options.

Im happy to wait for the next Nokia my 920 kicks arse ill just be glad when there next flagship comes in to take the thrown yet again done it ones they will do it again!

Had a Samsung galaxy nexus as my in between phone ... Wp7(omnia7)-android(SGN)- WP8(lumia 920). Although it was a nice phone, android is garbage. If you wanted to do anything then you had to get an app, with wp7/8 most if the day to day stuff is intregrated. Widgets hammer the hell out of your battery and the apps are so different from each other that I never knew where options where. Apps also had a nasty habit of downloading adverts to your phone too, either in the notification bar or your home screen.
I'm not blind to WP limitations and the things that bug the hell out of me but on the whole I prefer it... Alot more. With googles recent fun and games towards wp im very close to deleting my google accounts.
Oh and what the hell is gonna use 8 core cpu... Make project butter even more buttery? Over kill on a device will only ever get apps that use 2.
/end rant

Man I hate android but the darn S4 has some super killer features. Windows phone better jump up not step up. Big leap!

The 8 cores are 2 4cores processor, a Cortex A7 and a 15, that changes be
tween each depending on usage. Try to repeat the specs and feastures loud and it's not such a leap forward.

The problem i have is that is not gonna be any support at all in fact the S3 owners they are not going to get any updates or something more now that S4 is out ther and buying a phone each year is not posible for a lot of people right now 'cause the contracts of 2 years with the carriers , My 7.8 phone is getting updates new apps and good support thanks to Nokia , Samsung is not that good when it comes to quality compared with Nokia .... and Samsung copy nokia 920 super sentive screen and the wireless charging i have to say that s4 did not bring anything that good.........

8 core processor, 2 GB RAM..individually they look great and people will buy it. But when combined together will it not limit the processor efficiency....

Far as design goes Samsung used little to no imagination to the next flagship and with all that power that 2600 battery wont last a day!

Yeah, but since big Sammy didn't sell the ATIV S in US shores, I'd expect the same thing to happen with an ATIV S2.

Im shocked by the disloyalty of some of the wp community, saying that they would jump ship for a slightly upgraded s3 that looks the same, lets face it android has improved slowly but its nowhere near as slick as wp, its just a much worse experience, we haven't even seen what nokia will counter this with yet either, lets eat popcorn and watch :)

Since the only viable Windows phone 8 right now is the Lumia 920, it should not be hard to understand people jumping ship. The Lumia is ok, but a beast of a brick in the hand and pocket, and Microsoft has hindered the resolution, so the screen is out as well. Shoot even the HTC One X has a better screen...

All in all I do not see Windows Phones making a stand for awhile... With the infrequency of updates, the lack of solid choices, it is getting dismal.

Nothing is wrong with it, but as long as Microsoft hinders the device hardware through limiting what companies can put in the devices, it will stay an almost niche OS. 

Most of all, it's still Android...
Specs doesn't matter so much to me, I want a smooth UI without lag and irritation and WP on my yellow Lumia is giving that to me.
Why should I need higher resolution on my screen?? It's better than my 21" pc screen... Don't see them pixels anyway...
And photo beamer, smart shot, rest of the Nokia apps, office...
All running smooth as silk and think that updates will come :)

The thing that got my attention is that some of them will come with Qi wireless charging out the box. I am hoping that will help push for wireless chargers everywhere

Good stuff... I think I will switch... Waited for MS ling enough and now I am frustrated... They cannot even catch up

I think gizmodo nailed it.  They didn't love it and it left them cold.  Sorry, I'm happy with my 920 and it copies much of what it does.  That's innovative?  I think not. 

Just a bunch of gimmicks being added. And before anyone comments on how I am against advancement in technology,I own a 920 so its good. I think we like to consider the phone market a competitive market but actually phones should only really need to do 7 things imo 1)phone calls 2)text messaging 3)music player 4)camera 5)internet 6)emails 7)social networking. Everything else is just extra and not really needed.

Stand pat my good fellows. S4 Shmess4. This is the part where people who like numbers and the idea their phone is better excite themselves. We all know Android devices are never the sum of their parts. Until the phone works well and our competitor somehow completely sucks no one should be worried.

After seeing specs and options on android, I've learned my lesson. No more small fry. No more BB and no more WP. I like the underdog but I'm sick and tired of having little to no features compared to a+a. There is a reason they dominate: They have the options people want/need and deliver product before we know we want/need it.

Another lession you should learn, be happy with what you have, don't get jealous with daily changes. I have a samsung focus (1st version) and still happy with it, and am not upgrading it anytime soon.

You don't seem to understand the the comment I replied to states that they'd prefer to buy an iPhone 5S or 6, which in no way relates to Windows Phone. Plus, the mentioning of one wanting to buy a phone running an OS that's significantly inferior to other platforms in every way except for app selection? Oh please, that just shouts "Hi, Apple rules and so does iPhone! All other phones suck ass!".

Really though, if you still have that nagging desire to try and provoke my nonexistent anger, consider another way instead to calling me a "Dumbass", which is an ignorant way to start an argument. Is there any way for you to scientifically prove that I am yet a "Dumbass"?

From the little we know about the 928 im willing to bet its already better than the S4 because it will have a better camera (complete with xenon flash) better design and build quality. I could not care less about 8 cores until there are actually any apps that make proper use of it. To call that infrared sensor a mini Kinect is a joke unless it does much more than useless gesturing while web browsing ( something that nobody will do because its much easier and more precise to actually touch the screen) the improved voice recognition is the only thing that I applaud and I hope Microsoft caches up in this aspect quickly.

The HTC One is dead. Wp9 better pack something spectacular. Tiles I think need to be more live than ever. For example, allowing tiles to play videos. No matter what I still favor WP for its beauty and ease of use.

It seems as Samsung is trying to get rid of Google Apps in their phones. They're making new apps so that, when they release Tizen OS, people choose Samsung (and it's OS) over Android. Also the Galaxy S4 processor is for battery saving, it isn't octa-core, even though the clock is somewhat faster and the graphics are better. It was more about the services. I also liked the temperature and humidity sensor, it's a nice touch.

Im loyal to wp and Nokia no way would i go for that piece of crap my 920 amazing i used it last night at a metal rock gig band called Wednesday 13 the photos and 1080p recording on my 920 were fantastic!

In the end I feel sorry for HTC.  WP is finally starting to move and most of the sales are going to Nokia.  For people that love Android the S4 is going to be the phone to get without question.  If you're an iPhone fan you'll wait until the 5S/6 comes out and you have B10 devices out there as well. 
 
Where does this leave HTC? Sony and LG have their hands in a lot of pots so this isn't the end of the world for them.

 
the declining manufacturers aren't bringing their own customizations, apps or cloudservices. if HTC aren't going to make their own goodies then they need partners to complement their cool hardware

As far as I know Microsoft has barred WP8 at 1280x768 so it doesnt matter, it will hinder the device. 

Guys, All they have added is a bigger screen a better processor. and some soft ware gimmick.. Will they allow SGS 3 to get the software gimmicks?. If not why not?. We keep complaining that this is not available here and there.. .why are pple not complaining.

Sticking with my 920. Not that impressed and I'm sure that our 920 camera will still reign supreme. Love wp8 and waiting for next generation of lumias.

S4 copied everything from other platforms and packed and presented very nicely. Google itself will doubt android is their product or Samsung’s. Hope all the features work without any crash. I think it is pretty easy to Microsoft to beat this. S4 has only 2 additional feature than Lumia 920. And Lumia/WP has so many features already integrated which people use daily. But Apple and Motorola had a lot to catch up.

Can we officially say that Android and its apps require more than a desktop OS right now? I don't even think my desktop, which run W7, has that spec @.@... For god sake, it's a smartphone.

Regardless of the specs, design, horsepower or innovations, its not windows phone which means its not for me. I love my Nokia and I love the windows OS, and more and more people will realize that the WAY your phone works is far more important than how much your phone is capable of.

Scrolling using your hands is hardly of any use except the cases which they mentioned in the presentation which doesn't happen often. 
It looked such a slow scrolling compared to natural finger scrolling.

I am a huge Nokia fan but for me, them being able to do a world wide roll out is impressive. I mean Nokia took almost four months to bring their phones to India. Which is ironic considering how much money they make here. Heck, their entire line up of Asha phones is because of Indian market.

when you have a phone which is almost similiar to its predecessor with some upgrades, why do you think it will take time?. these is nothing ground breaking. OIS is ground breaking.
 
Also when the audiance will buy any crap you give, you can cooly produce how much ever you want with the tons of money you have.
NOKIA is cash strapped and does not have that luxury. If they had gone andriod may be crazy guys will buy those and they will be better.

I don't think I see the S4 in the same light as you do. I mean S translator ... we've had it on windows phone since forever.... using gloves ..... 920 .... taking people out of images .... 920 ....
Octa core .... my battery on the 920 already dies fast enough with a snapdragon dual core ..... I'd hate to imagine how fast the battery would die if you actually needed to run something that requires 8 cores.
the only thing that made me go ... oh .... I could do with some of that .... is the 1080p display, but if thats all thats changed I can live with my 920s screen and enjoy windows phone.
then you have the fact that not everything was announced, like the wireless charging capabilities, but then again the fact that operators can choose to remove it's wireless charging capabilities sucks.
I don't know.... for a next gen phone, I am not as aww struck as to say, "the completion just ratcheted up to a new level".
 

I'd leave WP for Android only for HTC. That would be after my 2 years is up with my Lumia 920 and if Nokia is still WP and releases the something better. Also After looking at Canonical. Then I would Go Android with an HTC phone.

The great thing in s4specs is samsung uses its own cpu, so qualcomm supply constraint is not a problem with other phone makers including nokia, supposely a small player these days and might not treated as fair. Qualcomm s4 quad core 600/800 is more than enough for mobile apps.

The S4 specs would probably pressure Nokia to upgrade their Catwalk or EOS specs.  The competion is good for all.  I'm patiently waiting for the EOS model.

Should WP & MS be worried? I thought they already were? Anyway, S4 is impressive just like the HTC One, but I'm all in with WP. I don't see how leaving the OS will help it reach the level Android currently is. I'll just grit my teeth, wait patiently and one day I'll be able to say "I told you WP was the ish".

If that Imate comes out with windows 8 then windows phone 8 would be a waste of money just have to wait till Nokia make a real windows 8 phone running windows 8 and not windows phone 8

"Here's how it goes guys. Tweak a millimeter of everything, bump the specs just a bit, oh change the 3 dots above the screen to 4, ok increase the screen size just to 4.99, not 5 coz that'll look too overwhelming, keep everything else cos it's selling. One more, maybe add a bit of the S2 elements to it so it 'looks' a bit different. Call it the S4. Oh sh*t one more, market it as high-grade plastic aight? Fans will be all over this."

- Samsung Executive

I am not impressed with this at all. I personally think HTC one phone is much better and deserves more recognition than what the s4 is likely to get.

Agreed. HTC One looks to be all around a better android experience. SAMSUNG just has the $$ to advertise the hell out of this phone.

No matter how we would like to diss the S4 the more pertinent question is will Microsoft finally wake up and make WP truly competitive? Not all this half assed stuff we have like no easy playlist creation on the phone or no access to our Xbox video purchases. If they don't get their act together and give WP some real selling point beyond tiles then it doesn't matter if the S4 is made of plastic or has no new design, WP will continue to flounder and eventually might just as well be non existent.

Just seeing infobar UI and how similar it is to WP but so much more advanced shows how slow MS is. Small tiles being biggest change in idk how long to MSs metro UI, sucks.

Its butt-ugly next to the Lumia! All function, no style. Its like having the guts of a Mercedes in the body of a Honda Civic. The U.I. is still chaotic, mixing widgets and icons, blah blah blah...

They add features to add bullet points to their advertising specs. None of these new features, while cool, are really gamechangers. It still comes out to phone with tons of functions, no style. If that's what you want, there you have it.

If I was an android fan.. I will buy the the HTC one...but with nokia its just feels right.. So good luck to crapsung lovers

I undertsand this is a windows phone site, but the amount of people blinded by OS sides it astounding...
 
I mean really, the biggest refresh to Windows phones since 7 was resizable tiles, and kids corner? When will Microsoft decide to go big, also allow WP8 device makers to go above the 1280x768 resolution it caps them at... Open up developement etc... Shoot how many apps are we missing out on because we are stuck with internet explorer, no flash, no dev access to the phones guts... It is quite sad. 

Well said.  Microsoft *needs* to open up development.
Most of the missing features in WP8, would have likely already been covered by third party applications, if Microsoft had allowed more developer access.

Exactly, we would have had a lot of these things in WP7 phones, which would have meant WP8 could have actually been an OS update, and not a WP7.5 update. 

Look at all that lost screen space n the Nokia compared to the s4. Its ridiculous that on the top.and sides wp8 doesn't use the whole screen .also the large black area where the buttons are has to be trimmed. It looks horrible. I wish Nokia used something other than wp8 for their devices. The lumias would be much better

Meaning your dislike regarding the OS cloud your judgment, how come different OS can make you like the hardware more if not because of that.

S4 is a great gadget. And the software from Samsung also very good. I think Nokia need to keep up with the innovation

The only thing I think Nokia needs to take away from Samsung's approach is releasing their top of the line phone unmodified, simultaneously across carriers.  Coming up with something catchier than '920' or some other numeric designation would help too.

After watching the releasing of Samsung S4, now I only need to see the iPhone 5S.  I don't know about you, but I have the feeling that Nokia will make the statement with next release.  It's time for Nokia to move up again, because they can delivery new innovations.

I'll agree that the S4 does sound nice on paper but how much of it is really needed? 5 inch screen with 440PPI - even at 320PPI the human eye can't distinguish individual pixels so why the need for 1080p? 8 core processor - I have never experienced any lag on my 8X and that only has a simple dual core (OS stabilisation means a lot). 3 core GPU - why? I have never had any graphically intensive games lag on my 8X, if people are playing games so intensive that they need a triple core GPU, they just need to play on a computer/console because that game should not exist as a mobile app. 13mp camera - we clearly know now that megapixels aren't everything, the HTC One only has 4 but it makes up for that with its great sensors, the Lumia 920 as well only has 8mp but has amazing low-light performance. Massive 2,600maH battery - sounds good but is completely neccessary for a phone that powerful if it wants to have a decent battery life. Finally there's the design - I know from the iPhone 4S to the 5 was a pretty pathetic update for a lot of people but at least you can easily tell the difference between them. To be honest when I saw the first leaked photos of the S4 I thought it was an S3 and when it's actually released, from a distance people aren't going to be able to tell really easily whether it's an S3 or an S4. Oh and wireless charging? The S4 might have it but I sure haven't seen it anywhere...

used to be a big wp supporter until i got a 620..Its not the apps but the basic os functionalities that i miss..no auto rotate lock..no task manager or file explorer..yes one might argue that you don't need these things but I certainly do..on top of that there's no mkv support...heck not even a third party media player that can play mkvs. again i can convert them to mp4 but who has got that kind of time..overall not happy...this OS definitely needs more work..

the lumia 920 successor is supposedly going to have, a 1080p full HD screen, be completely waterproof(not just water resistant) have some sort of solar screen, that is supposed to increase battery life up to an additional 20%, and have a camera experiance much closer to the 808, if all these things come true, people will indeed be climbing over themselves to get nokia's this fall, as one of the executives claimed....here's hoping
 

I guess in this spec-hungry world, yes, WP has to worry. Most users don't buy a new smartphone using rational thoughts and proper evaluation (= do I really really need this feature and will the specs really make my personal user experience better), they buy emotionally.

These phones are just getting too big for me. A 4.5" screen is really the biggest I want on my phone. If I need a bigger screen I will use a tablet.

Nokia, please take pureview phase one, OIS, big battery, wireless charging and dont forget to sculpt a nicely designed body because its going to be big and thick. Slap them altogether and I'll buy it no matter how heavy and costly it will be

To me it's all about the display: I wish Nokia had a 4.8" display. I know it's personal preference, but whenever I see someone on the tube with an s3 I find myself wanting a bigger screen... And 720p on 4.8 would definitely suffice if you ad me.

The specs battle is running unopposed. In desktop space software demands better cpu do to more. On smartphone oems advertise their new brand cpu that is not utilised just to drive sells. And people they are the other problem. Instead of using some money to augment their devices to their needs buy buying apps they spend their money buying new phones with more powerfull cpus that won't be used

With such rapid hardware upgrades in Android, Microsoft and Nokia simply cannot compete. They are doing the next smart thing! They are focussing on the mid-end phones in India and China and low-end phones in Africa.
With Lumia 520, 620, 720, and 820, they can target most of the Europe, Asia and Africa and get some sales. There is no way they can compete with Samsung or Android in the Developed world.
As an example, Lumia 920 in India costs almost the same as the latest Android phones like Xperia Z!

Love WP. Put down my Gnex for an 8x...but the S4 is giving me second thoughts. I owned a Trophy before the Nexus. MS moves too slow. Like someone said WP is still lacking core features like notification hub and file management. I love the stability but eventually Android will catch up...then I'll never have a reason to remain with Windows Phone. I don't think MS is serious about mobile...they are distracted by their core businesses. They should quit chasing apple and worry more about Samsung. Its not acceptable to be at feature parity with just the iPhone anymore.

MS is involved in the mobile bussiness. Just because oems don't feature more powerfull phones is because they don't have to. As for feature parity there will be a notification center in WP too and it's better that it is not in the current incarnation. Devs have not made their apps wp8 ready and giving more feature will just create more havok in the ecosystem. As for the file management I presume they will choose the windows 8 way so any app can be a file system provider. But you need to give time to developpers to chew and get used to the platform. In this state the live tile and the way they were suppose to work is not understood. Whatsapp is using clumsy background audio hacks. And you cant say whatsapp do not have money at their disposal. It's just that mobile devs are so used to write crap for android that they are too lazy to write good code for wp platform. And I include skype developers here too

I have buy Nokia Lumia 920 yellow (4 days) and today i sent back because Always Frozen. :(   So no way for me again WP8 (the nokia lumia 920 is perfect phone but OS WP8 crash anytime). shame Microsoft and Nokia.
And this is the reason for low % worldwide.

Mobile phone is almost mature and not much gains that are actually valueable to consumers. Smart pause, smart scroll... are just for kids to show off, they won't change the way people are used to handle their phones. MS + Nokia should better off come up with something more useable, connecting people better.

Great link...summed up here... When flicking between screens, opening apps, and taking photos there was clear lag on the Galaxy S IV, whereas everything was almost instantaneous on the One. To be fair, this wasn't the final production version of the S IV, and who knows which processor was in the model I had. There's a chance it'll be faster at launch...it already lags!

But even purely from a design perspective, the One absolutely crushes the S IV. When you pick up the One, you feel like you're holding something amazing, both in the build and the screen. When you pick up the S IV, you feel like you're holding an S III with a few extra bells and whistles...lmao for once I am rooting for HTC to take Samsung down a peg

This is clever. They have an 8 core that the OS Cannot use. As it flips between 2 four cores. Engadget said performance was worse than the HTC One. Touchwiz is also crap. I'd rather have a nexus 4, or get cyanogenmod on there.
As usual it will sell in droves because people have no intelligence to go out there and try devices. They just buy what some douche tells them to buy.

People who have recently purchased galaxy may not throw it away and buy an S4 simply for eye scrolling or a picture in picture feature. The next billion smart phone buyers are budget conscious buyers. That's where Lumia 520,620 and 720 is going to win. Nokia and Microsoft just have to keep up their good work.

Smooth ui and upgraded specs is only part of the story. Currently Im getting the feeling that Samsung is delivering powerful standalone hardware. But Im noy getting a Samsung love feeling. Its seems ti be het anither product and the previous already seems yesterdays news. Nokia on the other hand is giving a feeling of support with more relevant apps, recently acties the Windows phone ecosystem and truing to integrate it with the Windows 8 platform. Dure Windows phonr could improve on specs, but its the ecosystem that makes me stick with Nokia.

Android is a mess in so many ways. The restrictions Microsoft impose result in the consistency of the OS and its apps that so many of us enjoy. Windows Phone is control, Android is anarchy.

S4 looks good love the 5" screen, but!, i only see white and black with the S4, my Nokia 920 Red is still better :)

lumia 920 looks like an oudated brick next to the s4. i hate samsung phones with the cheap plastic and the shapes but i will give them all the credit for increasing the screen size while decreasing the bezel which give it a lot of advanatages and makes it look great. nokia has too many bezels which makes it looks really funny and cheap with all that wasted area...

It does make me think that my lumia 920 could do with being on a diet.
Hopefully the next Lumia flagship is alot thinner and weighs slightly less.

jeez what a load of short sighted anxiety in this article. wp needs market share before it can throw its weight around at the top level, and Nokia is proving to be a superb partner, selling tons of excellent product at keen prices into vast developing markets while also releasing a headline grabbing high end model that every new phone gets compared against, AND doing what they can to address platform/app shortcomings. the s3 was not an overnight success, it was completely dependent on a critical mass of android market share as its launch pad, and the same is true of the s4. I won't be willing to declare the war lost until wp plateaus at a less than sustainable market share for several years

Well said, my thoughts exactly.  I'm not feeling the S3/S4 design of the phone.  Sure the specs might be nice but with the L920 I'm not feeling any envy.  I rather have the Sony Xperia release on W8P platform.  Now that is one beautful looking phone.

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