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Rumor: Nokia's next flagship Windows Phone to be quad-core with kick-ass camera and more

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My Nokia Blog is reporting on specifications the next Nokia flagship Windows Phone (possibly the RM-877) will feature. Mentioning sources familiar with company plans, it's believed that the device will indeed have a superior camera to what's currently available on the platform. That we can be sure of as Nokia is pushing optics even further, but what about the other entries on the specifications sheet? According to the source, Nokia is working on two different models of the EOS, which we've previously looked at numerous times.

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One model is a dual-core version, while another features 4-cores, brining Windows Phone up to speed with Android (are we seriously considering 8-cores?) with Snapdragon 800 implemented. The next flagship Windows Phone from Nokia is also said to be packing the same battery as the Lumia 920 - 2000mAh. This is the reason for the two models as the impact on the battery with the four cores may be significant.

The screen is said to be AMOLED (1280 x 768), following the Lumia 928 and will better support the low-powered sleeping screen display. The camera is believed to be similar to the Lumia 920, but sports a 41MP sensor, Xenon & LED flash, OIS (optical image stabilisation) and the possibility of a variable aperture lens. This would be joined by "a more detailed" camera UI, similar to that on the PureView 808.

What's really going to excite consumers is the expandable internal storage with MicroSd support. This will be required with what the advanced camera would produce. Interestingly, albeit not the first time we've seen present on a Windows Phone, a Micro HDMI-out will be available. Finally, an FM transmitter is believed to be included. The flagship Windows Phone is said to be an AT&T exclusive when released, with a global launch up to three months later. It's quite the phone, should everything remain in place.

Some of this information corroborates details Windows Phone Central has managed to obtain as well, so we can add a little less salt with this, folks. So what are your thoughts, excited?

Source: My Nokia Blog; thanks, Prodigy11, for the heads up!

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I've been meaning to pirate seasons 2-4.  Lol jk, I haven't gotten past season 1 just yet.  It's on my list of things to do...

I hope we don't have to wait for the phone until November 2013 or later, would be great if it comes out around mid-year and that would line up nicely with my upgrade eligibility.
 

'Rumor', no official announcement yet, so if it takes 4 months from 'Rumor' to official announcement, it'll be around in November if you’re lucky.

Agreed.  This only hurts Nokia.  I consider the 920 a premium phone and to see it on sale at under $100.00 at ATT and not available anywhere else is stupid.  If Nokia and Microsoft really want to make a dent on the high end they have to release it on all major carriers at the same time.
There is no excitement about Verizon other others finally getting their version of the 920, none.  It isn't a new phone now, its just a higher end version of the WP8 they have had in stock for a while now.
 
 

wow , that's would be awesome!!
quad core sd800 ~full HD ~41pureview~wp8 smotheness ~Nokia sexy strong design ~ some new exlexusive apps and sof features
ohh man that will kill every android flagship !!

They just need to find a way to pack in a 3,000 or even 4,000 mah battery to achieve perfection.

My thoughts exactly, instead of having a camera hump, give me an extra thick phone with a flat back and a  humongous battery! it will never happen though, because everyone complains about weight and thickness.

It could be done if they had a removeable cover on the back, although I'm not that bothered by that feature anymore myself since the external chargers like the NC-16 are fine for getting another charge in the field.
On the specs though they sound nigh on perfect, a better camera (hopefully the 41MP although I'm dubious it can be that good), a zenon flash, the SD card (big feature for me) and a 720P screen fit well, not too bothered about the quad core, but at this point its more a case of automatically getting it with any new CPU design.

No one needs Full HD on a phone. Over 300 ppi is enough for the human eye to look perfect, and it saves you A LOT of battery and processor power. The only place it is needed is when teenage children compare spec sheets to see who has the longer one...

Yes, but you can tell a difference in the quality of a 1080p screen vs a 720p screen.. The 1080p screen looks much sharper! So why would I not want the better screen? Top of the line isn't about what you need, rather what you want, no matter the cost.. This is something WP fans need to start realizing, and expecting, or those of us who want the very best will never get it... I think that its really pathetic that some WP fans will say that our platform doesn't need something just because we don't have it to justify why its not there.. Sounds like a bunch of sore losers to me.. My 920 has a 768 resolution screen, so if a more advanced screen is available when it's time for me to get my next device then I want it.. That's why its called a upgrade, and there's a lot of us who want our devices to be as future proof as possible.

Lol! I sense your sarcasm, but seriously, in the future if that's what it comes down to then MS and its partners must do what's necessary to be competitive.... I personally would like my phone equipped with a high power laser so that I can cook this Thanksgivings turkey with it.. Lol!!

Then all I would suggest is to go ahead and buy your "perfectly" designed phone and not wait for this one. Or send Nokia your completed designed phone with patent in hand and I'm sure they'll jump right on it. Oh yeah, don't forget to send them the market research with the millions clamoring for it. No sarcasm here. Just pointing out some suggestions.

No. It does not. Your eye cannot distinguish between 1080p and 720p at arm length distances. The cost of battery life is not worth a trade off you'll never notice.

Yeah, but if hundreds of thousands believe that it's better, and are set on this being on their next device, then don't you think it's smart for MS and its partners to have this technology available.. You guys seem to be focusing on principle, and not reality, which is MARKET SHARE!

It doesn't matter if they believe it's better. It's not better. It's scientific fact, and it very noticeably impacts battery life and costs more to produce increasing end user cost. There is literally no benefit other than a spec box tick. It's a useless "upgrade" to any an all mobile phones. They won't increase market share implementing a useless spec upgrade that 100% of their customers won't notice. It literally does absolutely nothing to make a phone better, and it impacts battery life in a negative way, and increases costs for zero benefit. I really hope they don't do this, it shows they are more worried about hardware specs rather than making the OS comeptitive with every other OS from 5 years ago. They don't need fancy hardware, they need software improvements to make them anything other than laughably 5 years behind. And they needed them yesterday.

You're right if its not better then its not necessary. So that's your argument. But I ,like MS, understands that the average consumer has been mislead and now wants these features. So, in order to be competitive they must be available in WP whether they are very beneficial or not. That's just the way it is, its not my way, but that's the way it is and quad core processors and 1080p screens will come whether you, or I or MS likes it or not

I doubt it. There's a lot of work that needs to be done to support those devices, and if Microsoft doesn't see a benefit of supporting it they won't. Look how long they were at 480x800 or whatever it was on WP7 phones. 1080p doesn't get them a boost that is tangible, and those large phones with ridiculously high resolutions are niche devices. The last thing Microsoft wants is to put WP8 on niche devices.

Right! They are acting like this is something that has never been done. To many WP fans are used to not having the most we can, and are now complacent, and satisfied. I just don't think MS should sit back and let stupid Google take all the market share anymore. MS has the know how to use these higher specification for good on a WP device. If any OS is going to take advantage of a quad core processor then its WP! So, why not use it? Why not do the absolute best? Why not expect more? And, somebody had a really good point in a previous comment about focusing on the OS, and refining that. Yes, further development needs to go into refining WP, and adding more features because we're not trying to make another Android here. WP can do it better, and that's why I always push for higher specs because I've seen how tastefully MS, and it's partners, implement them for WP. I stand by what I say!

Higher specs do not equal better. We don't have the best we can get because Microsoft doesn't understand that while WP8 looks fantastic, the basic feature set is laughable compared to the competition. Please cite one, just one example of how WP8 could leverage a 1080p screen or a quad core CPU to make the OS better. Please. Explain to me how two more cores will make the OS better. All I can see is worse battery life, and an idiotic gimmick that 1080p's are better than 720p's at 15 inches. Even at 6 inches you, yes you Rodneyej, could not tell a difference. It literally gets you nothing but worse battery life and higher component cost. This isn't pushing the boundaries of anything but selling suckers a phone that they *think* is better, but in reality is nothing more than a price bump. If you think a higher resolution screen and two extra CPU cores is going to get people to jump on the WP8 bandwagon, you need to work for Microsoft. You both apparently are smoking the same thing, and its making you delusional. The OS is laughable feature wise compared to Android and iOS, and if that doesn't change (like with 6-8 months) I'm not buying another Windows phone. 2005 was a long time ago, pretty animations are great but they need software feature parity long before they need a useless screen resolution increase. I'm sure you believe that more megapixels means better pictures too, don't you? Numbers don't mean anything if the OS running on it was relevant over 3 years ago. Which is exactly where Windows Phone is firmly stuck.

I have the same view as yours, remember some even said android is better becoz the store has xxxx applications more than wp yet you only need an average of 15 applications on your handset, and most of them you won't even use them.

A quad core processor isn't about pushing the OS.  It's about having the muscle to push the apps and games.  However, since we are on the subject of the operating system.  OK so your current phone runs fine on a dual core processor.  Great!  How about the next version of the OS?  How are those people who had a WP7 and got upgraded to WP8 working out?  Oh, right, they couldn't get the new OS.  They had to settle for a half ass patched together conglomeration of an OS because their hardware wasn't up to snuff enough to handle the latest and greatest from microsoft.  What kind of specs are going to be nessasary for WP9?  A little forward thinking can sometimes be a good thing.
As far as the whole arguement about 1080 vs 720 not being discernable at arms length or 300 ppi is the max a human eye can distinguish is a bunch of bunk.  That is nothing more than marketing speak from apple when they introduced the "retina" display.  The human eye varies from person to person.  Some people can't buy pentile sub matrix displays because its too "grainy" to thier eyes.  That's sub-pixels and they can tell the difference!  Will a higher resolution display drain the battery faster?  likely, but that is why battery sizes have been going up and up as core count and display density has gotten higher.
I won't argue with you over the feature set.  WP needs work, but its sure come a long ways from WP7 and I am sure it will get much better.  I would also say that if you feel you don't need a quad core processor and a 1080 display, then don't buy a phone with them!  I am sure nokia will make plenty of mid range and lower phones with lesser features more to your liking and price point.  However that doesn't mean that there are not plenty of us wouldn't love a higher speced phone and would be willing to pay for such a beast even if you feel its not needed.

Are you replying to the right person? I agree with what you're saying. Its the others who preach about what WP doesn't need.

You cannot distinguish the individual pixels over 300ppi. You can't. You want to believe you can, but you can't. You cannot do it. If you think you can, you're lying to yourself or using a magnifying glass. I have 20/15 vision and I can't see them on the 920 screen without a magnifying glass. Also, your pentile argument is fallacious because they use different technologies to render the screen, and that fuzziness is a part of that. Not the screen ppi.
Going to a 1080p screen gets you exactly nothing but requiring a faster CPU/GPU to handle the extra pixels being pushed, decreases battery life, and requires apps to be rewritten to support the new resolution.
WP7 users got screwed by Microsoft, not the hardware being incapable. Microsoft seems to be perfectly happy to let Windows Phone and it's users die on the vine. Windows Phone 8 is a modern OS if we were living in 2010. We don't need new hardware, we need Microsoft to stop being a bunch of lazy asses and make an OS that is at minimum feature parity with the competition. Once they do that, then we can worry about the future. Right now they are living in the past, and completely content to do so it appears. If they don't become 100% basic feature euqivalent with iOS and Android, this will be the last and only Windows Phone I'll have bought. I don't care about quad core this, or 1080p that. I want my phone to act like a modern smartphone should.

How many of those sold compared to $99 or free on-contract phones? Yeah. Thought so. Exactly ZERO have been sold, because it isn't on sale yet. Admit it, you're one of the people that sees a bigger number and thinks its automatically better. I bet you own a 16 megapixel P&S because the 8 megapixel one wasn't as "advanced" or "worse spec wise" than the 8 megapixel one? Right? Yeah, thought so. You and Rodney would get along great, neither one of you have a clue what you're talking about, and then chastise the rest of us that do for being pathetic. You know what's pathetic? Neither one of you realize you're being duped. Even Rodeny doesn't understand that he insults us for not wanting every BS gimmick in the book, and then confirms himself that people are being misled that a higher resolution screen is better. Talk about out of your mind!

I think there's currently only one Samsung with a 1080p screen, and that's S4. Which is not even for sale yet. That said, with the marketing machinery working behind that line of devices, it would sell tens of millions devices with lesser screens too. 
Very flawed argument you have in there.

So which is it? You say that a 1080p screen is sharper, when it in fact is exactly NOT sharper because you literally cannot see a difference, or are people being misled by the industry? You call us pathetic for not wanting a feature you say people are being lied to about. You've disproven your own statements, and then insulted those of us that are smarter than you apparently are by knowing its a bunch of marketing BS. Stand by what you say all you want, but you're simply wrong. A 1080p screen and a quad core CPU aren't needed and only serve to sell a phone at a higher cost and negatively impact battery life. What's needed is for Microsoft to get off their asses and push updates to drag WP8 into 2013 from all the way back in 2009-2010. A smartphone OS that doesn't even allow me to set an email notification sound? Yeah, a quad core CPU will fix that all right. *eyeroll*

You are misleading when it comes down to what the average consumer wants.

Let me define what the average consumer is first for you:

The average consumer is your sister or brother or any other person who does not know the difference between a 1080p/720p resolution or the difference between a dual/quad core SoC. The average consumer is NOT the person who reads tech articles or go on fan sites to read about the latest and greatest technology. The average consumer purchases mobile devices either out of (word of mouth from others or simply for aesthetic, user experience reasons).

However unfortunately, it is impossible to overcome the issues surrounded by the spec loving (another name comes to mind here)/out of touch with the mobile world salesman who is trying to sell the device to the average consumer.

Ah! You guys need to get out more and realize that mobile technology in terms of hardware have already peaked. (Unless we talk about ram...I'm starting to see DDR3 modules pop up in mobile hardware)....There is no reason why you guys should be arguing on whether or not 1080p or 720p resolution is any better. I guarantee you that any device under 5.5" (which in WP world there's not) you won't be able to tell a difference. -Unless you A) have a magnifying glass and have no life and count all the pixels with your flawed human eye. or B) delude yourself into thinking you are seeing a better picture on your tiny 4.5" screen from an arms length away. -which most people do btw.

Anyway...my comment is just to clear the air on what the average consumer is.

You just reminded me of Sony at CES this year with the Xperia Z (1080p, 5"). They had a magnifying glass so you could place your smartphone next to theirs and be blowned away :-D

My arm is always bent when I use the my phone. Anyway, if 1080p we get apps that can push that too screens with HDMI out, need quad core for that and 41 megapixel picture processing.

A quad core has nothing to do with HDMI out, that's the GPU. Instead of wasting space and battery life on a useless quad core CPU, they need to spend that effort on a much improved GPU. That would be better suited for process those unnecessarily large photos, and do it faster with less battery life hit. And 41 megapixles is yet another stupid marketing gimmick. Sensor size and low light capability are far more important than pixel counts.

It is to me. I don't care how many megapixels it has, I want to know the quality of the images. Saying it has 41 megapixels doesn't matter to me in the slightest. And I wasn't talking about Nokia specifically. Higher megapixel numbers *are* a marketing gimmick.

Not everyone read at arm length.  This kind of mentality is one reason WP is loosing out to iPhone and Android.  MS needs to give their users more than what they want and need.

QUOTE: "those of us who want the very best will never get it".
Smart design is all about compromise: you can't pack all the best in, and you don't want to, otherwise you'll end up with "The Homer: the car designed by Homer":
http://onscreencars.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/TheHomer-300x171.jpg

...and if you've seen this episode you know how many Homers were sold!

Personally, I see no sense in going higher than 300dpi with display technology, if this means sacrificing battery life, so 720p is fine up to 5 inch displays. And I would not want a display larger than 4.5 inches anyway. Ideally, 4.3 inches for one-handed use.

The Homer..LOL!!! Hilarious.. That's funny that you thought of that.. Seriously, you make it sound like it would be hard for Nokia to engineer this phone with a 1080p screen, like its some kind of technological miracle that has never been done before. And, maybe there are some people who want a screen larger than 5inches, so what's wrong with having that available for those people? I don't want to see WP be cheapened like Android, but It sickens me to think that WP fans can be so closed minded, and brain washed like Apple fans who have learned to accept mild technological excitement. I think there's a few different types of WP users here, and they all have there place.. Average users who by chance chose a WP device, not knowing what they were getting into. Then you have people who love their devices, and choose them based on a more conscious decision. There's the more dedicated WP fan who is interested in more advanced devices, and is content with whatever MS, and its partners do. Then there's the diehard WP fan that really wants to see the hardware, and software, pushed to the limits.. You'll never hear the diehard fans say things like "Overkill" "We don't need" "Enough Apps".. Die hard fans are the reason we have the Lumia 920 today.

It's people like you who are brainwashed. Just like you, I despise the argument that we don't need more powerful hardware. We do. Bigger numbers on the spec sheet don't necessarily make a more powerful phone though. I've directly compared a 1080p 5" screen to my L920 and it is not noticeably sharper. I would much rather have higher FPS in games, which in contrast to the imagined sharpness improvement, is very real. That is then noticeably more powerfull! That the average Joe doesn't understand this tradeoff is to be expected, particularly since the industry has no interest in educating consumers (ramping up pixel counts and calling it a day is the easiest way to sell more crap). We on tech sites should understand.
The same is true of the quad core BS. Cores three and four will achieve nothing but improve marketability, but if that helps sell WP then I'm not opposed, because the OS can at least completely deactivate them (assuming it's a qualcomm 800), so they have no negative side effects when not in use... that is not true of 1080p displays.

If you think I'm brainwashed and don't have the perspective that you have then obviously you don't get my point. I never said that its my belief that these things matter as far as performance goes. Tell me where I said that! Your so caught up on that that you will never see the reality of the market, and what its going to take to compete.

Your posts aren't consistent on the matter. Your earlier posts suggest that running in the specs race results in real technical/performance benefits, while your later posts seem to claim otherwise. Anyway, there are two paths WP might take: a) concentrate on making devices that truly offer better performance, which will often require that companies invest in marketing, sales staff training and consumer education (like HTC with their ultrapixels), or b) concentrate on optimizing the spec sheet without regard for practical benefit, often times sacrificing technical superiority in favor of marketability (13MP smartphone camera, Samsung's comical 2x4 SoC, 1080p on small displays). I don't mind improving marketability, but it should not commit us to technical mediocrity.

@rodneyej I do agree with you actually. Sure, none of those spec bumps are going to result in any tangible performance improvements, but people can't deny the fact that WP needs these spec bumps to improve the overall marketability of WP.

When a consumer are comparing between 2 phones, the information that are usually made available for them are the spec sheets on the brochure. This is why OEMs lists out the specs on their websites and sites like the PhoneArena exists.

So while specs means nothing for WP, but it does means something when consumers are comparing between the current flagships. (Remember the single core on our 1st Gen devices and how we always need to tell other non-WP users that dual cores aren't needed due to the highly optimized OS?)

And let's be honest here. Would you still settle for the current Lumia 920 if Nokia released a new flagship with quad cores and a 1080p display? No? Guessed so, because that's how technology works. There are always people looking out for bigger and "better" things on the market, and as a company, MS and Nokia can't possibly overlook this.

Its funny because these are the same guys who said WP didn't need 720p screens, or dual core processors.. Lol.. Now they want accept anything less. Seems a little hypocritical to me...

Which is faster Galaxy s3 Quad core exynos, or the s3 american version with dual core qualcomm?
American version is slighter quicker, but not discernable to the quad core. Not all cores are equal. Dual core lumia 920
is approximately equal in speed to a galaxy s3. Qualcomm is one full generation ahead in core speed. DOUBLE.

That's true, and I've seen evidence of that. But, the thing I like about the quad core processors is that they tend to have upgraded GPU's, and that's something that WP could use especially if we start to see more powerful Xbox games. I wonder if Modern combat 4 would have even better graphics on a quad core WP device. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

If you have a L920 this phone is not in your upgrade cycle your phone would be the next flagship after this one.

Which is faster Galaxy s3 Quad core exynos, or the s3 american version with dual core qualcomm?
American version is slighter quicker, but not discernable to the quad core. Not all cores are equal. Dual core lumia 920
is approximately equal in speed to a galaxy s3. Qualcomm is one full generation ahead in core speed. DOUBLE.

You can't tell the difference in 720p and 1080p until roughly 40". So unless the screen is 40" it's not going to matter.

are you planning on using the next phone like google glass? I bet even then you won't notice the difference

His comment said "until roughly 40 inches" which is wrong and that is what I was replying to. In regards to phones, some will notice the difference some won't. For him to flat out say you can't tell the difference until 40" is nonsense as it will vary from person to person.

This is not true, I can very obviously see the difference between 720 and 1080p on my 22"monitor. That said, on a sub 5"screen it's obviously overkill.

I would love to meet you guys in person. That way I could have two identical devices side-by-side only one is 720 and one 1080. I would be willing to bet money you couldn't tell me the difference. I sold tv's and computer monitors for a couple years, and on very rare occasions could I tell the difference. At any distance. 

You must have terrible eyes... 720p vs 1080ps stupid low res on a monitor.... I use monitors all day and on a 720p monitor you simply dont have enough pixels to do work effiecently... Because of this i have even larger resolution than 1080p on my monitors (yes they are expesive but he up my productivity) ...

Well that might be due to 4:3 pull down. Anytime you run a display at a non-native resolution it goes through pull down to scale it which can make the image "blurry". So if your monitor has a native resolution of 1920 x 1080 you'd have to find a 22" monitor with a native resolution of 1280 x 720 to compare them side by side. I can usually tell the difference between all the resolutions on PC sized monitors but I also look at and configure different resolutions all day

Unless they'll make it a TV/monitor sized you won't see the difference on a phone sized screen, don't remember the exact number, but after something like 330 ppi the human eye can't detect the difference.
This is a perfect example of people wanting things, without realizing whether they'll make a difference or not. 

No,but they said the screen would be the same as the 928 which I believe is a 4.7" screen. Even if the screen is greater than 5", would you really notice the resolution. I don't think you would. The 1080p is only valuable for marketing purposes. It does nothing for actual usage.

I would like to make them increase it to 4.7, but not make it feel big, like the nexus 4. 4.7 with 1080p would be ass kicking!

Well, you can forget about 1080p because it's no different than viewing a 768p screen. It has no advantage whatsoever over a 768 screen. Also, forget about ever having a quad core device. A quad core processor will absolutely not have any advantage over our current dual core 1.5GHz phones, even though the graphics processors tend to be much better.. According to these guys the NL920 is maxed out. Besides the camera there is no need for any future WP device to have improved hardware specifications. The 920 has peaked as far as hardware can go, and WP fans would be appalled if MS, and its partners were to advance any further,, because there's no point. We already have the best! Remember, if its the most powerful WP device at the time then nothing else, in terms of hardware, on the market is better. This is the best way for us to think moving forward and Nokia should just stop at the 928/920 and sell these devices for the next 4 years as they are. After all, no matter what the competition does its never better than a WP device.. This thinking should get us far!

Trust me, I can tell 720 from 1080 while playing games on my computer monitor. Viewing distance plays a big part. On phones though, yeah it doesn't matter.

Don't listen to these guys.. Listen, for the sake of WP gaining more market share I hope that we will be getting multiple devices with 1080p screens, and whatever technology that the average consumer thinks is necessary.. Its not about whether its right or wrong for the average consumer to believe something, rather that the fact they they are sold on high specs is a reality, and this is never going to change. In order for WP to be competitive in the eyes of the average consumer, which is not anyone on WPC, MS and its partners must play the game that unfortunately has been laid out by a horrendously cheesy OS that holds over half of the market. Its not selling out on MS part, rather its having devices at every price point, and that are suited to every individual.. Maybe I don't want, or think I need, a 1080p screen, but if there's a market for it then I hope you and the others get it.. We also don't need $2mil supercars with 1000 HP that get 5MPG, but they make them because that's what some people want, no mater what the cost is. As soon as MS, it's partners, and the fans realize this WP will gain popularity, and receive the support that it desperately needs from developer's. NEVER SAY WP DOESN'T NEED SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WANT!

Rodneyej is exactly right. So many WP fans say WP doesn't need this or that only because it doesn't have it. Its ok to admit WP has some downfalls and some work to do, otherwise it'll never get better. WP is still the best even with its downfalls so just think how awesome it would be without them! GS3 is ugly but has way more than my 920. Its light and fitted to the teeth. We need more toys and higher specs. We need to play the spec game a little if we ever have any hope of being a major player. That is the reality of the world. You can fight it and be left behind or adapt and thrive. The core WP experience wont change but it does need something more.

Yes. You only get what you expect. We should expect WP to be pushed to the limits. That way WP will fall right where it needs to be.

The best is subjective. Right now I think it would be a great OS in 2010. We are still missing very, very basic features smartphones have had for 10 years. Playing the spec game is going to be a losing strategy. What it needs is feature parity with iOS and Android. It doesn't have that, and a quad core CPU isn't going to do a damn thing to change that. If you think that's true, how many people are howling for Instagram? I know people that refuse to buy an Windows Phone because it doesn't have Instagram or the Twitter app they want. Tell them it has a quad core CPU and 1080p's and they simply won't care.

Now, that I can agree with.. Although I think WP devices should continue to innovate on the hardware side, a serious amount of work needs to be done on the OS,, and marketing.. Lol!!

Half of the Android marketshare is cheap Gingerbread devices. Most efficient road to market share IS NOT in the high-end segment.

Sounds great, but when will Nokia learn if they want success in the US, they have to release it to at least the biggest carrier! VERIZON!!!!!!

FTFY: When will Verizon learn if the want success with Nokia, they have to be interested and pay the higher $$ than AT&T!

That's not very smart then. Verizon has a consumer base that Nokia wants access to so I'd rather have them take a little less dough upfront and penetrate the market than rely on AT&T only and see the sales languish.

Actually it is smart...It's all about economics man.  If I was a CEO of Nokia, -a company that is losing revenue and is barely showing any positives in the short run---I would be doing the same exact thing.   Nokia gets payed way more $$ with exclusives because of the high subsidies.   Just look at how long the iphone was on AT&T.  AT&T liked the iphone exclusivitiy to get more consumers over to their network. 

It may not get the product known in the long run, but they sure are covering their asses with getting more money in return from these carriers who dish out $$ upfront for exclusives.

Until Nokia sees a full consecutive Q1-Q4 postive return on revenue, I doubt these exclusives will go away. 

Its not Nokia's fault, all US carriers demand exclusives, Samsung and Apple have the power and can do as they like but Nokia is not in that position yet.

+1.  Seriously.  This drives me nuts.  AT&T and even Verizon now with the 928 get the top of the line Nokia devices.  I just recently got an 8X and it is an excellent phone, but I really like Nokia's phones.  I just could not be ok with myself getting an 810.  Sure it is a great phone as well, but I wanted the higher resolution so it would like superior next to an iPhone :P.  I hope all the hype about the Catwalk is true and that Tmobile will get it.  I would instantly sell my 8X.

"...with Snapdragon 800 implemented"
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MO...
"...is said to be an AT&T exclusive when released."
God damn it!!!

Samsung sold way more GS3s than Galaxy Notes so while it would be better if Nokia accomdated both of those segments, they have to tend to the 4.5 - 4.8 first and foremost.

Damn! Sounds great. Trouble is I wonder what the form factor will be like as it could be quite a chunky and heavy phone. The 920 is about the limit for me but still really interested to see what they cook up.

I agree about the 920. Would never buy a phone thicker/heavier. I wanted it for so long I just got it even though it was underwhelming weight-wise.

2000mAh??? Fckng joke! Nokia could have won the world if decent capacities were smartly used. I'd say 3500-4000mAh  would make it on top of all other smartphones. But nor Nokia, neigher Microsoft really wish success came to them.

Of course you are right about the small battery, but: what do you expect? I mean... look at the specs from the phone... you could call it a miracle if nokia could build a small device with that kind of hardware... I am sure there is not really plenty of space for a 4000mAh battery...

To use a bigger battery capacity would be a greater achievement than 4, 8 or even 20 cores as if they surveyed us, they'd understand what people need more that on-paper specs. I mean, who use this much power nowadays? I'd say less than 10% ?

@vladimier: word! Sadly that's not what the "normal" consumer thinks... he wants 64Cores if possible!

I think the space issue is going to come more from the large sensor with ois. Both of those features take up space.

Which is faster Galaxy s3 Quad core exynos, or the s3 american version with dual core qualcomm?
American version is slighter quicker, but not discernable to the quad core. Not all cores are equal. Dual core lumia 920
is approximately equal in speed to a galaxy s3. Qualcomm is one full generation ahead in core speed. DOUBLE. Qualcomm quad core is equal to galaxy s4 octacore, approx.

Agreed. It is not possible to have a big battery on this phone unless you want the phone to be even more ginormous...which therefore people will complain even more like they did with the 920.  ...anywho, to all people who complain about heavy phones... if you want to know what heavy is ... go and feel the HTC tytn 2/Tilt, touch pro 2/Tilt2, Titan...and the fabled Nokia 5165 phone.

I am a man, complaining about heavy tech objects is nonexistant. 

For me one of the best things about my Lumia 920 is the weight. I love to feel it, I almost sexually in love with it. Nothing else on the market makes me feel this way. I am sure lots of people agree with me on that. Yet again, I'd prefer slower chip, but better battery. I want my phone to work three of four days at least. I need to be safe. Smartphone market is very boring right now. They compete with each other but they all do the same one thing. No variations. Some people prefer speed and Super HD, but many would prefer 4000mAh. And this is where Nokia, Apple and others lose lots of money.

@xconomicron: dito! I love my 7 Pro and every time someone wants to try it (because of the Metro-Style and the awesome qwerty slider) I get the same response "Really nice phone! Awesome keyboard! But toooo heavy!"--- -_-

It's already going to be a beastly phone so doubling the battery size would go over the top I think.  Some crafty battery saving will have to be implemented for sure but I think it'll be able to manage.

Another freaking AT&T exclusive!!!!! This is the reason why I don't have the Lumia 920 Nokia! How am I supposed to get excited about this?

Its not Nokia's fault, its USA carriers decision and arm-twisting exclusive policy. Nokia doesnt have the power like Apple and samsung yet.

But HTC can release the 8X on three major US carriers? Go figure. I'm really sick of this trend. Imagine if Samsung releases the hottest selling Android Phone only on Verizon? I'm just a consumer so excuse me if I don't understand why Nokia, Microsoft, the carriers, or whoever is responsible keeps going this.

that is what you get for having a broken telecom market in USA, while in rest of the world people buy any phone of their choice and use it on any telecom carrier/operator they want.

Yes, and how well did that 8X sell? Heck, it's hardly even supported with updates to let customer's know that the manufacturer has a pulse in the Windows Phone space.
 
So, yes it sucks with exclusives, but it's a proven way for a company to earn money in the states.

My point exactly, if you sell the phone that people are drooling over on multiple carriers what will that mean for your sales to me. I'm not a market analyst but three times the sales sound a lot better than just one. Haven't they learned from the AT&T commercials? More is better. If HTC had done their job and increased their memory on the 8X or at least provided expandable storage AND provided support for their devices, of course it would have sold better. We don't need carrier envy on the Windows platform when the platform as a whole is trying to grow. HTC One here I come! I'll always love you Windows Phone and Microsoft.

Yes, at twice the price of the 920... Nokia figured that offering exclusivity in return for a better subsidy (more cash for Nokia and less cost to customers) was a good idea. The sales numbers prove them right!

Post a picture of it then..

... Only kidding. But seriously, I cant keep up with the amount of money needed to buy all these glorious new phones!

Verizon isn't that interested in Windows phones. ATT has pushed it's sale from day one. When the 900 came out ATT pushed it even more than the iPhone

That's changing from what I understand. I bet after the 928 (provided strong sales) we'll see more from Verizon. I bet the phone after this will be largely carrier neutral. 

AT&T is the premier carrier imo they charge more but you get the latest and greatest phones first! I'm very happy with AT&T!!!

Personally, I prefer the best dual-core possible up to 2.0Ghz with really optimized power management and 2GB of RAM. Quadcore isn't going to gain you much more than a dual-core cpu like that. And it will be better for battery life too. A quad core would be a better match for a WP8.1 phablet  with 5 and more inch 1080p screen and a much bigger battery. So, please give us something like that and I'm sold.

A killer Windows Phone Blue 4.8" or 5" phone would be freaking awesome. Lets do this thing!

No, they do not. Camera processing is a matter for DSP and GPU. When recording video the separate media processor also comes into play. The CPU cores are rather irrelevant for any such thing.

Eitrher gonna be this beast
or whatever 5" beast Nokia can concoct
It's sad... HTC and Samsung are not even in the picture as far as I'm concerned and I used to LOVE HTC. But Nokia won me over with all ths support. I feel like royalty.

Not really. I won't be excited for a WP until 2015. Then I'll see what's on the market. IF by then Nokia hasn't moved to Android that is.

"The flagship Windows Phone is said to be an AT&T exclusive when released, with a global launch up to three months later."
Really? I can understand AT&T having exclusivity over the States, but why over other countries? I can't see the relation.
If I was living in the states surely I will move to AT&T just to have the new lumia at time, but living in Spain what can I do? "Ok, let's try a new live in EEUU, that motherfucker lumia is totally worth it."

It's just a rumour, International exclusive is unheard of till now, lets wait for the official launch.

Plus IPS doesn't burn in... My S2 has a blue stripe where the notification bar is. And only after two years

I have yet to see or even hear of a Nokia OLED screen with burn in. I've only seen it on cheap Androids.

Wow, this will be the NEXT device for me - but i do wonder how many people will be put off by its physical size/weight.
It wont be a thin light device.
BTW i do not mind a little weight in my phone, i own a N8 and Pureview 808.
 

I hope that phone comes out on T-Mobile. I'm tired of getting mid range phones even though I love my Nokia Lumia 810. Was thinking of getting the HTC one but I know I'll just comeback to my wp8 when new models het released

Well since now T-mobile sells phone at the its cost, so you can just buy th unlocked phone. 

I too would love to see T-Mobile gets a high end Nokia, but right now I'm just enjoying my 810, and there is no way I'm getting another Android. I rather buy Blackberry Z10.

I'm a model you know what I mean
And I do my little turn on the catwalk
Yeah on the catwalk on the catwalk yeah
I do my little turn on the catwalk

Give me a windows phone with a camera as good or better than the 808 pureview and I will be ecstatic. I will be interested to see if they can pull this off without making the phone huge, but I would be more than happy with an 808 sized phone just running WP8.
That said, I don't think the the 808 plus windows phone would be the best seller Nokia could come up with. As much as I would love it, I think it is too chunky for mass appeal.

My uncle got a Droid DNA he felt he had the best phone until he saw my Lumia 920, now he's telling everyone not to buy 1080p phone you won't know the difference there just numbers.

Well, Cesar, according to the experts on this forum your Uncle is a moron and doesn't know what's best for him. I guess I'm in the same boat. I've been told that I should DEMAND only the best for WP and every time I hear that argument don't mistake that look on my face as interest because while they are talking, I'm thinking of ways in which I could give a shit less.

I've been supporting WP since launch (Samsung focus) and believe me I want the platform to grow its always behind in so many things, I want a WP ultra phone with massive specs and killer camera. If you look at the Droid DNA and Lumia 920's screen at that size there is no difference. Oh and yeah my uncle is a moron. What's helping the 920's screen is the high refresh rate.

A nice combination could be this phone (with a 4.5" screen / decent battery CPU configuration) with the rumored Nokia tablet (with a 6" or greater screen / decent battery CPU configuration).

Not regretting the switch to AT&T from Verizon for the Lumia 920 one bit. The only thing I was waiting for on Verizon was a Nokia Windows 8 flagship phone after four years with a Windows Mobile 6.1 phone. The 822 didn't cut it for me. Glad to hear such great hardware will continue to improve and entice consumers to jump over to the Windows Phone platform.

"Phone is said to be an AT&T exclusive when released, with a global launch up to three months later.".
That means that it will be almost (I try to be positive) outdated in the rest of the world when released ...

I'm salivating! I want this!

Even now the Lumia 920 is a premium device. I can't even imagine where the next model will get. I also hope for an even faster refresh rate.

Assuming the the Lumia 920 is still one of the top-of-the-line smartphones its successor should come with at least the following specs:
-Snapdragon 800 would be awesome, but I guess the 600 will be fine too.
-1080p resolution on a 4.5-4.9 screen
-Better Camera

No perceivable benefit in image quality, half the framerate in games, higher GPU power draw...

Actually I've been talking to an ophthalmologist that's been doing research on eyes and lcd/led screens and she told me that with perfect vision (20/20...i know you can have better than perfect which makes no sense lol) the human eyes can only see about 300 PPI. So 1080 on a 6" screen is about 367 PPI making it useless (just more battery drain). Increasing the distance only decreases how many pixels we can see

That is because 20/20 isn't perfect vision.  Its normal/defect free vision, and yes a lot of people can see better than 20/20.

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