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Google to Microsoft: Remove your YouTube App from the Windows Phone Store [Update]

Last week the official YouTube app for Windows Phone received a major overhaul. Version 3.0 of the app brought some awesome Windows Phone 8 features like the ability to play under Lockscreen, download videos for offline play, pinnable channels and more. It went from web-wrapper to awesome with the recent update. Google now wants the app removed from the Store for violating YouTube’s API and Terms of Service.

Francisco Varela, YouTube’s Director for Global Platform Partnerships, sent a letter to Todd Brix. The latter (attached/linked below) asks for Microsoft to remove the YouTube app from the Store by Wednesday, May 22. Not just remove the app, but also disable existing downloads of the app. Aka, the “kill switch”, which (as far as we can remember) has only been used once before.

Here are three strikes against Microsoft according to Google.

  • Allows users to download videos from YouTube
  • Prevents the display of advertisements in YouTube video playbacks
  • Plays videos that our partners have restricted from playback on certain platforms (e.g., mobile devices with limited feature sets)

Here’s a choice quote from Varela specifically about removing ads from YouTube videos:

“Content creators make money on YouTube by monetizing their content through advertising. Unfortunately, by blocking advertising and allowing downloads of videos, your application cuts off a valuable ongoing revenue source for creators, and causes harm to the thriving content ecosystem on YouTube. In addition, your application overrides specific decisions made by some content creators to keep their content from displaying on certain types of devices, which in many cases are due to exclusive distribution arrangements those content creators have with third parties. YouTube’s agreements with creators give them choices in how their content is presented and distributed, and your application takes away that control.”

It’s understandable for Google to be upset at Microsoft for circumventing their ad revenue, but it would be nice for the two tech giants to play nice eventually. This isn’t the first time Windows Phone users have been shafted by the Mountain View company not willing to develop for the platform. We could list a dozen other examples, but the today we’re focused on YouTube. Earlier this year we learned that Microsoft has put the ball squarely in Google’s court to give a decent YouTube experience on Windows Phone.

Update: Microsoft is sending out a standard PR response on the matter, tossing the ball back into Google's court:

"YouTube is consistently one of the top apps downloaded by smartphone users on all platforms, but Google has refused to work with us to develop an app on par with other platforms. Since we updated the YouTube app to ensure our mutual customers a similar YouTube experience, ratings and feedback have been overwhelmingly positive. We'd be more than happy to include advertising but need Google to provide us access to the necessary APIs. In light of Larry Page's comments today calling for more interoperability and less negativity, we look forward to solving this matter together for our mutual customers."

You can view the letter right here.

Source: The Verge

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msxbox says:

That's why they should officially support windows phone with their own app or pay something to own the ms built one and add advertising to it

chaz_uk says:

http://m.YouTube.com not working for you?

Works fine on my Lumia 620.

neo158 says:

Yeah right, a webpage is a perfect substitute for an app!!!!

Everybody seems to be very happy suggesting touch.facebook.com as a substitute to the horrible Facebook app. I'm glad someone realised webpages suck.

Strangis says:

Ignorant comment is ignorant.

HillBillJr says:

Metrotube is there

borasar says:

metrotube and other apps did not get C&D, are adblocks on android and iOS getting C&Ds?

stevethenerd says:

Google is not going to c&d android...

hopmedic says:

Because those apps don't have the pile of money that sits in Redmond.

lancguy says:

However their API is flawed if it allows blocking ads or downloading when it shouldn't. This is googles fault not Microsoft's.

Strangis says:

I'm calling your BS here, because it in no way represents the actual situation....

There is a level of metadata that YouTube made available to Apple so that APPLE could make native app for iOS, before Google started building it themselves.

This data isn't available to any other 3rd party developer.

To enable ads, MS needs Google to either build the app themselves or allow the MS app to access this metadata.

It would cost Google nothing to allow MS to access this data, and it would enable ads on WP devices, as well as allow MS to build a native WinRT app that would-be more engaging than the website, while serving up the ads so YouTube content creators rely upon for revenue.

What a load of crap. Go watch a video on you tube, then the same one on iOS or Android...guess what? Ads on you tube, no ads on either app. Also, need we get into the hundreds of third party apps that block ads and allow you to download? Spare us the self-righteous indignation.

chaz_uk says:

No ads eh? What;s this strange thing on my iPad right now?
 
http://chazclout.com/CV/Upload/images/photokgyg.png
Look, I know people hare are likely to literally love Microsoft but, please don't make stuff up to defend them, especially when easily proven wrong.

Nothing made up here. Neighbour's iphone? No ads. Brother's Galaxy SIII? No ads. Look down about 9 posts or so and you'll see Sam experienced the same thing. Have fun in your little world of make believe.

chaz_uk says:

FYI: YouTube ads don't play on EVERY video. Check the odd one and you'll likely not see a single one. The facts are there if you want to believe (I.e, pull your head out of yours, or Steve Ballmers arse and you may learn something).
If the screenshot I provided of an Adidas asdon the YouTube iPad app isn't enough, how about this YouTube article?
http://www.droiddog.com/android-blog/2012/08/google-to-offer-skippable-a...
Ads do exist in videos provided by the YouTube app. That is a fact no fanboyism can deny.
 Think I'll call it quits with you though. You seem too much of an ardent WP fan to see otherwise.

So let's see...liar, arse, fanboy...can you think of any other schoolyard insults to use? Not once did I insult you and yet here is what I receive. I think you've shown your true colours and I actually quite pity you. I love when people say 'I'm done with you,' 'tis to laugh. One, I don't care, be done or not <shrug>.  I have bag sweat that means more to me than your opinion. Two, why respond if your done? A complete contradiction to the statement. Anyway, once again, have fun in your little world where it appears you need to create fiction in place of facts in order to satisfy some internal desire for smug gratification. Have a crumpet and smile, it might make you feel better :)!

phipaz says:

I can agree with the Points Google made but Microsoft should just remove downloadable video feature. Sadly.

badMojo69 says:

Why?  TubeMate on Android lets you do the same thing.

dlrohm says:

I say FU YouTube.

msxbox says:

Just goes to show that there is concern about how big the windows phone platform will be it is growing very fast and it has already got a massive following but seems that google won't play nicely. Maybe its time to build a youtube alternative or buy one and make it bigger n better.

wetworker says:

Fuck Google! MS please send out a fix so that no google products work on Windows. For a few hours. I use some google services but seriously google, give ms access or shut the hell up.

Daniel_H_UK says:

Sadly if they did that Google would go Crying to the EU about it and Microsoft would get another fine :(

stevethenerd says:

Imagine if ms sent a c&d to remove all google code from Ms products... they would have government yelling at them so fast. But google can do the reverse.... Hmmm

Sergio0694 says:

Then what about all the other YT apps for WP? Will the ask MK to kill all of them as well?
Also, does the HTML5 mobile site display ads inside video?
Does the iOS version of YT display ads? And what about the Android version? I mean, one of the 28472947 different YT apps available for iOS and Android...

Sam Sabri says:

Interesting point. The other day when this came up I tried a video online ..it had an ad. That same video did not have an ad in the iOS YT app. 

rockstarzzz says:

Sam please remind me when was the kill switch used in the past? I know it was around Mango but cant remember what app that was!

hopmedic says:

It was a pirated GPS app. I was thinking they also used it for the AVG Antivirus app, but I guess not.

I don't recall seeing ads on the previous iteration via web, but I could be wrong. I've slept since I tried.

DenniSundaY says:

I didn't know it wasn't the officially app from google self. But instead of asking if they would change the app so it won't violate google's terms, google is playing hard. Why? It is a nice app!

stevethenerd says:

It said Microsoft in the store...

HillBillJr says:

It's time to jack up the Android licensing fee, MSFT..

rockstarzzz says:

+920 but sadly its licensed out for 3 to 5 yrs contract or something!

Jaskys says:

They just want us to have an awfull app and keep bloatwaredroid shining.

cybermoose89 says:

Android sucks donkey cock!

stevethenerd says:

I would use those terms, but I do agree the android software leaves a lit to be desired...

deloa84 says:

I think we need more light shed on this issue. Seems both are not playing nice with each other but in the end the consumer (us) end up losing. Microsoft and Google really need to set their competitive nature aside to some degree to give their consumers the best experience.

m4tthall says:

Agreed but whereas Microsoft is offering its services on other platforms, Google aren't in some cases (ours). Not saying Microsoft are saints but where would Google be now if Microsoft had stopped their service being used on Windows? I know it isn't quite the same, just trying to make a point.

liammatho says:

Yeah I agree on that as well. Funny how Microsoft can get fined for making Bing the only usable search engine on WP, yet Google can pull this nonsense.

deloa84 says:

I actually get your point....

chad08er says:

Kinda strange Microsoft didn't ask for their permission first.

liammatho says:

They did, but Google said "no" and Google also said that they weren't going to publish their own official app either. Microsoft must have become fed up with Google's bullshit and just published the app anyway lol

Sam Sabri says:

I linked to an old story we had on that, read it here

chad08er says:

Read the article before,but it's weird that Microsoft went ahead and did this knowing full well that Google would call them out.

onysi says:

i dont understand why goog wont go after third party apps?

chunky2055 says:

they are asking google from long time... but google is not permitting for unknown reasons. lol
too paranoid of competitions. LMAO

lewiedude says:

The app in its latest release was useless to me as it never completed my search and generated any results.

m4tthall says:

I am glad I have slowly moved away from Google services. The only thing I have left is Picasa. Google are well within their rights on this occasion but as mentioned above, why don't they just create an app that will work the way they want it to then? If it isn't worth their effort due to market share then stopping Microsoft from creating one shouldn't be worth the effort of stopping them. They are just being dicks because they can. Who is evil? So ironic.

Amran Nagal says:

Seriously F**K YOU GOOGLE.
seriously F**K YOU.
Just make a damn app for windows phone and chill your scene.

Rndomuser says:

You seem to be terribly vexed, kind sir! :-/

Sean Burns1 says:

What's wrong with Google??

jlynnm350z says:

Thought monopolies were against the law, this is not 1918.

This looks a little bit more like sabotage on the platform. If they were really worried about lost revenue, wouldn't they just work with Microsoft to have the app show ads? Heck, had they made the app themselves, they would've saved themselves from all this trouble.

liammatho says:

Windows Phone to Google: Fuck Off!
Otherwise make an official app for us you lazy cunts

mv740 says:

Wtf since when did adds appeared on mobile phones? I had a iphone for 4year and never saw one and now google are saying this bullshit

Thank god i moved to outlook.

It sounds like Google is really exercising their monopoly on the platform. They own the video market, but they are denying anyone the ability to license it properly. Those who do get licensed and use the available API's get punished. Sounds like the workings of an antitrust lawsuit to me.

Yes I am sure MS will sue google over this any minute.......now

JoshMD90 says:

i was gonna say the same. Could MS have almost baited google into this with the app? They must have know that Google would make an issue of it?

phipaz says:

And in the end the consumers is the One who Will suffer.

Sean Burns1 says:

Google are getting like Apple

blasher4 says:

So yet again WP users suffer resulting from Google/MS bickering. Thanks a lot assholes. Have fun with your millions of dollars and yet again say "screw you" to the common-folk

erzhik says:

I hate to say this, but I would have to side with Google. The problem is, what Microsoft did was violated Youtube's TOS. The biggest problem here is removal of ads. Let's not forget that Google is not the only one who gets revenue from ads. Uploaders who have adsense also get revenue and by removing ads, Microsoft basically showed a middle finger to Google and the power uploaders.
Redesign the damn app to not violate TOS and be done with it.

Except that it contradicts what happens on other platforms, and Google doesn't say anything about these downloaders or other apps everywhere else.

Tube mate and pther native android youtube downloaders get actively blocked

Thats the main Problem: Google is a drug dealer giving the uploaders Spam ads to earn money. But youtube is now a ugly platform full of Spam. One question. Dies Google interest in my terms of privacy?

jimitndiaye says:

Correction: MS didn't actively remove the ads - they don't have access to the APIs for showing them. Hence, no ads.

Chemilinski says:

I was thinking since I got the app that people's videos I watch won't get a cut of the ad revenue..
But as everyone's said Google's stance is full of double-standards.
On one hand they won't make any official app past Search because they say the market share is too small, but then say that the lack of ad revenue from said market share is harming all the partnered YouTube channels.
Google you can't have it both ways, keep to one clear stance please by either making official apps yourself like you do for iOS or let Microsoft keep the one they made.
I'd prefer an official one as my favourite youtubers get their cut from my views!

Vheissu says:

While I actually agree with google being pissed and wanting the app removed, MS should just say F U make a real app and we won't need to make one ourselves

neo158 says:

Or, you know, MS could make MSN Video into a Youtube competitor!!!

george3k says:

The question I have for all the major plays (BB, Apple, Microsoft, Google), do we really want to resort to the legal system to enforce a policy that the user will determine the fate of a platform by adoption, not by artificial limits set by a vendor to limit or otherwise constrain how other vendors interface with their platform? Case in point, Microsoft getting slammed by huge legal penalties for the way they embedded IE into their OS. One could argue from a legal perspective, this is an unfair business practice by Google that falls in line with similar practices such as backbone providers prioritizing their network traffic over a competitor, or perhaps the investigations that Google has faced prioritizing their product ad's over others creating a biased search result in favor of Google. Wasn't it Google that made the statement: Don't be evil when talking about other vendors compared to the supposed openness that Android and Google were to bring to the marketplace? It would seem that in the pursuit for more money, even with best intentions, companies are demonstrated a lack of desire to allow competition to compete and have the consumer be the ones to make the ultimate decision. I'll use Android as an example. Prior to Android, there was Blackberry (formerly RIM) and Apple. The fear at that time was with closed ecosystem models and vendor forced design that choice was missing for consumers. Along came Android and all of it's fragmented friends, and we see that the playing field is not evening out as consumers pick based on their preference instead of picking based on a lack of alternatives. For folks like myself and others on WPCentral, our choice has been to evaluate the playing field and make a conscious decision that WP is a better platform for us. In that choice, to have vendors such as Google acting in practices that are at their core evil by not allowing other vendors to interface with commonly used products such as YouTube, means that the only recourse we have is the legal system or waiting for the legal system to enforce business regulations designed to prevent or disuade businesses from behaving in this very way. 
So don't be evil Google, and scroggle us non-Android lovers. Just like you don't discriminate access to Youtube based on the type of Browser you choose to use, don't limit what platforms can develop apps for Youtube. And Microsoft, don't play the innocent one and conform to other apps and allow advertising to be displayed. If we want a similar user experience across similar smartphone platforms on a free service like Youtube, we all get that we are going to be subject to advertising. Trust me, we get it that when a service is free, the user is the product =/.

Cienight says:

Too long didn't read.

namikral says:

Haba same here

lpforthewin says:

That's a shame, it was well thought out

kurotsuki says:

First, Microsoft didn't block the ads. It's google who didn't allow Microsoft to read the metadata, which will be used to show the ads. Google is the one who play innocent about the ads thing. If anything that Microsoft fault, it's the ability to download the video.
Second, about Don't be evil thing. I bet that the complete sentence will be, "Don't be Evil! Because I'm the Evil one!" :)

Truly sad day for WP users. I loved the whole layout of the app :-(

Fuck Google.. Just ridiculous.. YouTube experience on Windows Phone has been horrible, except for a few third party apps like Metrotube.. iOS has a massive install base and an App.. WP has smaller base and no App (from Google).. :-/

mrdeezus says:

I am a WP fan but i think Google is right and should just replace the app with thier own official app with adds or allow Ms to enable ads on the app in question. Thats fair. I think we might start to see apps go exclusive to platforms.

I agree with you. Google pulled youtube apps from the playstore that violated their TOS. They also pulled adblockers as well. I'm not surprised they want MS to pull this one for violating their terms of service.

TreizFaction says:

Just more lining for the shit-can, move on.

marantaz says:

Hey Googledorks, I don't need your stinking YouTube anyway, and I don't need anything else associated with you, so suck on that!

kalo88 says:

Youtube moan yet wont make an app themselves?

afgzee says:

it isn't youtube, its the higher up guys at google. the guys at youtube wanted to make an app for WP long ago but were told not to by the big boys over at google. 

erzhik says:

It's a shame those guys sold it to Google so quickly. Should've kept it for a few years.

ejlee072006 says:

Me personally dont give a fuck about you tube app..i use METRO TUBE.
BUT!!! msft should not mess with Google... Period...

Where is this idiots email or twitter so we can flood the duesch?

ejlee072006 says:

And I dont need anything GOOGLE IN MY WP8

neo158 says:

The ironic thing is that I used the MS developed Youtube app on my Windows Phone to unsubscribe from all the subscriptions that have anything to do with Android, that and I'll be selling my Galaxy Nexus.

WPFanboy says:

make a damn app then google !!!

neo158 says:

My thoughts exactly. If the BBC have shown they can give a damn about WP by release an iPlayer app, and I use the term app very very loosely, then surely Google can.

afgzee says:

i really hate google now, such a nasty jealous company, will be removing google chrome from my system. i think Microsoft will either respond by changing the app so it doesn't violate the terms, or they will leave it as it is and make google huff and puff some more. 
I really hope google goes down hard one day. 

crash1989 says:

Today in Google IO larry page mentioned on how companies should work together and not be negative. I don't think Google and Microsoft are ever coming to terms on many things which is sad. 

neo158 says:

I heard that as well, too bad everyone else at Google didn't hear it though!!!!

ImJustaBilly says:

Can't MSFT just update the app with video ads, remove the download functionality and make it so videos play on the specific platforms? Fix the three problems and good deal? 

TonyDedrick says:

If only it were that simple.....

Yeah, seems easy enough to me.

WavingReds says:

I would never update the app then =D

FinsUpDNC says:

nope, msoft doesn't have access to the API's to do that.

kurotsuki says:

They might be easily remove the download ability. But for ads, they can't. The don't have access to the ads API. The ads thing is up to Google, not Microsoft.

Seriously set the f*ck out Google, you are bas*t*rd.

what the he*l with u are ?

for such as deceive company u are not deserve do that, where is the freedom.

so for the win win solution mst will allow ads and remove download ability in Exchange remove all of u tube apps on android store which can download and remove all addfree apps.

well im glad finally i can confess my badd a*s word, fuihhh
#in doing wipe my sweat as beautifully

:)

StuboWP says:

That was beautiful...

Amran Nagal says:

So either Microsoft releases an update and fixes all these issues or we say goodbye to the awesome YouTube app because google will never make an official windows phone app.

lancguy says:

Hmmm...and this from a company that is supposed to do no evil. I really hate google and try to avoid it as much as I can.

Banstyle says:

When was kill switched used before?

bluemooberry says:

screw google. 
at least develop a yt app for us then...

danisoufi says:

Why is everyone here blaming Google? Why don't you blame poeple at Microsoft for not reading the Guidelines? And all the time I read comments on this site, everytime I get the feeling like you are always the victims of capitalism, monopoly and unfairness. You know, you went for a new platform that's not there yet. Put your things together and either wait for things to improve or move on.
 
And keep in mind, Microsoft would have done the same thing, it's just Microsoft is not currently in that position.

afgzee says:

go to hell would you fool. im sure you use ad blockers on your computer, you dont care then. Google doesn't give a crap for anyone except themselves, all they want to do is sabotage windows phone. 

danisoufi says:

I feel so sorry for you, use: http://m.youtube.com/

afgzee says:

why should i have to use m.youtube when there is a perfectly good youtube app available for me to use? 

danisoufi says:

Because, it will work all the time :)

neo158 says:

You mean the crappy version of the mobile website that hardly works, yeah that's a great solution.

afgzee says:

what do you mean by working all the time? you mean a message on almost every vidoeo saying its not available on a mobile device?

acrodex says:

Did you ever tried m.youtube.com? I just tested it and m.youtube.com won't show you any ads.

Rndomuser says:

It's WPcentral, dude... The worst cesspit of simple-minded fanbots you will ever find... Logic and common sense never apply to anything here.

deloa84 says:

And your useless comment makes you that much better? Please...

poddie says:

Bullshit.  MS has been and still is king in many markets and does not treat their competition in any way like Google does. Please review your history on Office for Mac, etc.
 
Google is trying to strongarm MS plain and simple.  However, I fully agree that MS needs to update the app to be fully in compliance with the terms of service.  Ads should not be skipped and downloads should not be allowed.  But once that is done Google should definitely allow the app to exist, given that they are purposely witholding making one on their own.

danisoufi says:

Well yeah, it's not like Microsoft is licencing their software for other platforms for free ;)

poddie says:

But that's exactly the point.  MS makes their software for other platforms and makes their money by being a "fair" business.  They drive people to their platforms by making the best product they can.  This is what's best for users, and what's best for them.
 
Google tries to strangle all support for WP in the hopes that their services are key enough to users that they won't switch to the superior platform because it lacks proper YouTube/Gmail/GCalendar/GCrap support..  This is the evil way to do things... why not make your products the best and get people to use them because they want to?

danisoufi says:

Exactly, I wonder why there are no Microsoft products on other relavent platforms like Linux GNU. I understand that Windows leaves Microsoft with over 90% of the market, but does it make Linux GNU less relavant? I think all this talk only makes sense to you because you want it to happen, but this is not the way companies look at it. They need to invest alot of resources and time in to the product, which in this case Google decided, it's currently not good for business.

afgzee says:

does your simple mind not understand? Microsoft cannot show the video ads even if they wanted to as google has not allowed them access to the ads API.

poddie says:

My goodness.  Not sure who your rant is directed at, but it certainly does come across as quite "assholeish".
 
Why would someone have a simple mind because they don't know something that only a YouTube app developer would know?  IF that is true, then MS should publicly respond with that piece of information, which would then lay the blame purely at Google's feet.
 
But I would suggest toning down your responses so that your interractions with other humans work out better for you... it's awful lonely out there for people who can't play nice.

paulm187 says:

Please! Just stop it!, just Stop it will you

alertwolf says:

No Google had the app months before it was released, they approve it so it could be released. Maybe they didn't pay attention to the features, but still that's there fault.

neo158 says:

So Google are living up to their "Don't be evil" mantra, oh ... wait ...

mayur89 says:

I wanna go to Google I/O and show them Middle Finger!! :/ You(Google) Son of Bitches, MS has done so much for you and this is how your repay?? I'm very Dissatisfied from your Attitude Assholes!! If Microsoft blocks Youtube accessing from "Windows", YOU're gonna be in SooooOOOoo much trouble.. I wish MS Should do it.. The Whole world rely on MS Windows :) I think Google has forgotten the Power of Microsoft. :-/

afgzee says:

that would be the biggest joke in the tech world if microsoft did that. google would be so fucked up getting under the table to give pleasure to everyone for their services to be restored! mofos! 

danisoufi says:

I think it will go the same way it happened with IE "for not offering alternate browsers".

afgzee says:

why should Microsoft of had to offer alternative browsers on their own software?

mayur89 says:

UC Browser and sm other browsers are already there... it's just that firefox n chrome aren't interested in developing .. they r selfish bastards... they wl make it only fr Highly popular devices :-/ also, i dont have any problem wd IE in wp... :-)

Jarocookies says:

Your English is very good!(especially rough language)

alukard says:

oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Dratwister says:

F### official app. Just leave my Metrotube alone.

Jarocookies says:

Just download the YouTube app that Google hates, it'll become a collectors item......

Geddeeee says:

MS and Google have been 'at war' since the beginning.
They have had dust ups before. Google IS worried. It is actively trying to block apps and service for the WP platform. G Mail syncs being one.
Without MS, Google wouldn't really have a platform. They are only a search engine provider underneath all the BS. Android is basically Linux, so...
MS was here before Google, and will be here long after Google has been bought out by someone else.
Fuck 'em!!!!

Gurggles says:

When is google going to be bought out, and by who? They have as much if not more influence than MS. Its a cheap move but MS broke the ToS, so google is in the right.

Geddeeee says:

You keep thinking that....
If MS didn't write Windows, there wouldn't be a platform for Google to exploit. MS may have broken the ToS, but to ask foir the app to be 'pulled' is just silly.
If they asked MS to modify the app to include ads, fair enough, but this is the action of a company who IS worried about WP, but would never say so..

neo158 says:

Actually Android is nothing more than a s%$&*£ JVM called Dalvik that runs on top of a Linux Kernel.

mrolympia74 says:

So google cries about Microsoft bundling IE with Windows and gets the EU involved. But when its their turn to do something for other platforms they puss out. That's my I will never be a Google customer in any way. I personally couldn't care less for the official YouTube app. But its the new comers and non tech savvy people that would get put off and give WP a bad rep

DreadVenom says:

This.

Couldn't agree more. Show the bias towards MS. Apple bundles OSX with only Safari, do they get fined....NO. Only MS does.

aitt says:

Larry Page is on some Steve Jobs ish

Dome85 says:

F**k you Google!! :)

Hahaha MS getting a little touch of their own medicine. They can block their own WP7.8 users from using those handful of decent apps they made themselves for sheer greed. And they can get a free ride on Google's $20 billion business too. The windows phone team is a bunch of hypocrates and i wish them total failure. Fu## Terry Myerson and Joe Belfiore.

lol looks like the Youtube app will never get a chance to make it to 7.8 devices.
hahah this is pretty fun to watch, google b*tch slaps MS again

Dazzi says:

^ This comment explains why you chose your username -- fools paradise ha ha ha

neo158 says:

Guys, Android Central is three stops to the left!!!

rakeshrai says:

Lol...seems you are pissed off with MS because of Windows Phone 7.8. I suggest you stop coming over here and sign up for therapy. Get an Android phone please. Go away.

Surtalnar says:

I already disabled my Google+ account and I'm currently in the process of transferring my accounts (for games, shops, forums, other things) from Gmail Account to my Outlook Account. When all my accounts are transferred, I will delete my Google account. Good bye Google. ;)

Can i just say "Called it"?
Im gonna say it...
Called it.

Gurggles says:

How did this happen. Google wanted to switch to calDAV and gave MS an extension to make new software so the cloud function works. Now they don't want YouTube on WP? I understand their argument, but this seems a bit far.

Nakazul says:

I hope Google goes bust.

brhooma says:

what ad revenue ?!, i thought they won't support WP cuz it's not financially feasible i.e. no one uses WP !!. what has changed now ?!.

Saw this coming when i first realized that i could actually download videos from my WP, pretty cool app, to bad its going to be taken down!

Schikitar says:

My suggestion, Microsoft to Google "Remove Chrome from all Windows installations... fsckers!"...

DJCBS says:

This is what Microsoft gains from putting Xbox Apps on Android. Google forced the removal of YouTube and if I were Microsoft, I would immediately kill off every single Xbox or Microsoft supported App on Android devices. And then we would see who would lose more.

Rndomuser says:

The amount of butthurt in these comments is hilarious! Fact is, if Microsoft (or any other large corporation) was in Google's position - they would do exactly the same. Can't believe it's so hard to understand for so many people here...

raul_junior says:

Well at least Microsoft isn't a bunch of babies and actually releases apps for android

Dratwister says:

What really hard to believe is suddenly, Google care about an OS that they don't want to make app! And their care's just to remove the existing app on it.

DJCBS says:

Thing is, Microsoft doesn't refuse to develop Apps for Google devices. Google refuses to develop for Microsoft's.
If Microsoft stops playing Mother Theresa, Google is fucked and left with just their tablets and phones and Apple devices. Since the vast majority uses Microsofts PCs and laptops, without them, Google goes down the drain. But they fail to understand that.

Rndomuser says:

...and what exactly MS can do? Google doesn't need MS's services (like SkyDrive or Outlook.com or Bing search/maps or other largely irrelevant ones), it's the other way around for now.

DJCBS says:

LOL You're joking right? Where do you use Google products (YouTube, Chrome, Gmail etc)? On a PC. What does that PC run? A Windows OS. What can Microsoft do? Block Google from computers runing Windows. Simple.

If this goes through, couldnt Google get in trouble for antitrust?
They:

  • Refuse to allow native access to their content on WP, yet allow it on iOS and Android
  • Blocked Youtube from releasing an official app
  • and are requesting full takedown and blockage of the Microsoft built Youtube app (yet the reasons in the letter would apply to 90% of the Youtube apps in the Windows Phone store, which are not being asked to be taken down.)

 
 
That seems like a boycott to me, in business terms, which wouldnt that be against anti-trust laws?

kinaton says:

Microsoft should just stop android/iOS users using hotmail, Skype and office apps. :D

that would hurt MS more than google

DJCBS says:

iOS users shouldn't suffer from something that isn't their fault. Apple doesn't refuse to support Windows OSs. Google does.

Rndomuser says:

I'm sure Google will really care with their own services like GMail, Google Voice and thousands of other alternatives (that was sarcasm, b.t.w)...

Rndomuser says:

You are wrong - any WP user is still free to access all of YouTube's content through built-in web browser. No wrongful access restriction here. Also, if MS will comply with these simple requirements - Google will not mind their app at all. As for other similar apps from "smaller" devs - they are too "small" to care about... At least for now ;-) Which makes all the butthurt whining here even more hilarious - just get a third-party app, people. Google don't care about MetroTube or apps like gMaps and such, so use them instead of pointlessly complaining about "evil corporations"...

Google's web apps don't always work properly (ive ran into some that load the ancient mobile html version thats made for PDA's and flip phones), there was the maps block stunt, not to mention they create apps for iOS, yet actively refuse to let Microsoft build the app for them on Windows Phone. That still sounds like valid reason for an antitrust suit to me

Rndomuser says:

LOL... You can't force any company to develop apps for your platform... MS still have no good office suite for Android, how about that? Should they also be sued for this?

Microsoft doesnt have an office app for any mobile platform (Windows Phone's is a system feature, not an app, technically. Cant uninstall it, and its very basic), not to mention, Lync and OneNote are already on Android. Its also user specific. Its not a service. Its an app. Youtube is a service, accessed by billions, cross platform. Yet android and iOS get apps (for more than just Youtube), and WP doesnt. Not only that, its not forcing them to build an app. Microsoft did it for them. Google is actively denying some of its services on WP, and giving others a poor user experience on Windows Phone, and are actively blocking Mobile Applications. (The Google app, by google, is sh**. No ifs, ands, or buts.). I dont see Google being denied access to Lync, OneNote, or Bing, all services by Microsoft. Yet google denies access to a number of its services, and renders basic HTML versions of the rest. (Ever use the gmail website on Windows Phone?) Its actively boycotting Microsoft. I mean, listen to this excerpt of a verge article:
 
 

...noting that industry negativity is holding back progress. Page told an audience member that "we struggle with people like Microsoft."

 
 
Google is literally bullying microsoft and denying its services (or doing "just enough" to get by, such as poorly rendered basic HTML versions of its mobile web apps.), and it needs to stop. Google is literally going against antitrust laws, yet they are skirting by on technicalities, keeping them out of trouble!

StuboWP says:

The problem, however, is that Google knows that Microsoft cannot comply with the three terms it has given.

You can't say "Take this down because we don't like point 1", and then basically also say "You are never allowed to get point 1 right". You can cut out the talk in the middle and just go straight to "We are never letting you build an app".

HillBillJr says:

As a token of appeciation to Google here is how to block Google from collecting data on your browser, just in case #f**kgoogle
 
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/18936/keep-google-from-tracking-your-every-move-online/

Sean D. says:

I come here and and bust the balls of a lotta the crybabies who post about WP. But one topic that bugs the crap outta me are those who feel left out because things like G+ aren't available on WP.
This is why. I lose more and more respect for them every day it seems. And I for one am glad hey've taken this route. Let them take whatever stance they want. Let them convince themselves that android will stay where it is today... if they do believe that, that alone should tell you about their true business sense.
I'm one fo the few who remember having all google services (available at the time) on my Windows MOBILE device. You know, back when they needed a mobile platform to live on. Much like their reliance on PC's and PC users to get where they are today they once relied on WM users as well. Wont be long before they turn over and run back to Microsoft.

And most likely will take MS to court so MS has to include their garbage their mobile platforms (again).

afgzee says:

Google+ is a failed service. why would anyone complain? 

kinaton says:

Can they legally remove from devices

Its probably in their User Agreement/TOS that they can. They have done it before

It is not fair! Google must fail! Since it wants to remove YouTube from Windows Phone 8 Microsoft must deny any access to the site and deny Office and google + on Outlook. Google shame on you jealous of shit!

lesd777 says:

Lol. I like no ads. I'm sure it will be removed, but I use mytube anyways

CommonBlob says:

Wow, google are really pushing for them to look completely retarded today

Sean D. says:

F*ck 'em! I just downloaded the app just for the hell of it. 

If MS was this petty they would force them to remove Skype from their store.

NOCTORNUS says:

So, what about third party apps that do the same or more! Why only Microsoft?

AMERICANRAJ says:

Time to develop MicroTube or MiTube or MoTube.....just sayin

A54D says:

Google don't know how big Microsoft really is. I think Microsoft should play hardball too, releasing apps for only iOS and Windows Phone. Forget Android. Let them get their own OneNote app, Outlook App, Lync App etc. The YouTube experience is available on third party apps and the web but Lync isn't.

Why release them for iOS either? In about a year when surface and other windows 8 RT tablets become more popular..they will both see how valuable Ms Office really is.

A54D says:

It'll help Google acknowledge that Microsoft is willing to support other mobile OS's just not theirs. Until they release quality apps for Windows Phone that is.

gevabar says:

What about metro tube??

Google has the right to put the Microsoft employees who created it as well as the people who ordered it's creation in prison. Breaking the ToS of a website is a felony if you don't already know. Microsoft has used it against other people, I wonder what they would think if someone used it against them. Google should not be required to port an application to any platform. They are hosting the content on their servers.

Yes, but they are actively denying use of their content on a platform. If microsoft should get in trouble for violating TOS, google should get sued for Antitrust

sumton says:

my comment remain the same F U Google

heward says:

Oh no! I am protesting youtube and I will delete my erotic videos. You lose youtube.

jedibeckett1 says:

Great move google, thanks for supporting any users you might have left on wp.

bluemooberry says:

screw google and everything they stand for. 

FinancialP says:

Some of you are really clueless adblockers don't stop the video advertisements before the video on YouTube.

Yes, actually some of them do. It's still just JavaScript.

Microsoft, add an update to windows to block all googles spyware, just by not allowing google to track user. We will see a reaction ;)

namikral says:

Microsoft is huge, they have windows (googles main money maker) but for some reason can't use it against google and f them

namikral says:

Lets all use youtube lesser than we do and try to find other video sources. F all google services

dudedud says:

Not once have I seen an ad play on YouTube or metrotube on my Lumia 920. Why is this a problem now?

This is utterly ridiculous! Its time some legal type brings a class action to stop this type of crap! If MSFT can be forced to remove IE as a default browser, then companies should be forced to allow 3rd party apps to access their service. Especially if the services provides no "good" alternative. This is not a blow to MSFT, it's depriving some citizens from access that others have. It would be.like saying only some people can make phone calls but because you have a red phone, you can't make calls. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE SUED. And I know just the candidate. ;-)

namikral says:

Microsoft should stop acting like googles bitch and remove all their apps from android, keep only bing and make windows harder for google. But microsoft likes money so much they will carry on acting like a bitch

Josh Harman says:

Removing support in Google and Apple devices would be a dumb move by Microsoft. Just as removing iTunes from PCs would be.

Josh Harman says:

LOL @ the people that are just now saying fuck google.

www.scroogled.com

My god that page is a mess. Was microsoft high when they designed it? Seriously. Call a designer, cause this is an emergency.

tds101 says:

Google can go suck a )!(#!!! I say block "Google Chrome" and all Google services on all Windows PC's,...teach the bitches a lesson.

DJCBS says:

If I were in charge of Microsoft, you can bet I would do that. Even if temporarily, they would learn a lesson they would never forget.

bsd107 says:

MS, don't listen to Google until they make their own replacement app!

toph36 says:

Google should step up and make the app themselves. However, Microsoft should comply with the guidelines, as long as those also apply to iOS and Android. They have a week to do it. Get it done.

Bee Mon says:

Told myself "Don't read the comments. Don't read the comments." but I did anyway. Why do I always torture myself

david90531 says:

GOOGLE can SUCK MS's ****
Such a douche, I used to respect them

RetroMan71 says:

Who cares about youtube app.. Its the redtube app i'm waiting for.. Lol!!!!

damo579 says:

Most likely Microsoft will update the app putting ads in. Or come to some sort of an aggrement with Google.

tony1213 says:

Google just Sucks ass! Just support WP da same way u kiss apples Ass! Hope they leave metro and Mytube alone

jm5001 says:

Oh, NOW you give a shit about Windows Phone, huh Google? You won't make a YouTube app for us, then get all pissy when we make our own? There are certain nicities to being off your radar.

MangoGuy says:

I knew there was a reason I moved away from google, they are crap

Adam PB says:

Every app I have for WP has poor integration in my opinion so it's not a huge loss for me. It is a pretty functional and decent looking app as long as you are using the app but if someone emails or messages a link to a YouTube video it still loads in the browser anyway. A quality YouTube app and eBay app really need that integration. It is one of the few things I miss about IOS.

walter1832 says:

MS has to come out with a new video service: MicroTube?

ahmadcrofton says:

Naw just buy vimeo

JCastillo1 says:

But here's the thing, Google is acting like this is about their users and advertisers not getting revenue because ads don't play within the app; but ads also don't play on the YouTube mobile site! This has much more to do with Google actively trying to lock Microsoft out of all of it's services, and thus pull users away from the Microsoft/Windows ecosystem.

glassadam says:

Work out a way for ads to be shown in a non-obnoxious way. Done deal. Either that, or screw you google, there are a shit-ton of WP users who want to access your service. Make an app for us, then, if you don't like MS' version.

bilal soomro says:

MICROSOFT also remove office and all microsoft apps for google store.

Idzaudin Idz says:

I see that google is now jealous to microsoft. Fuck off google. Youre jealous! Because microsoft has made a good app!

WP8Cr4ck3r says:

Isn't this ironic? Isn't their issues exactly what Android is about?

Joao Pestana says:

As this story goes by, the more I like Vimeo. We should really give preference to a company that considered the platform and respected it since the beginning. I know this is kind of insane, but at least let's make them feel the power of our community. Let's use the competition. 

myjota says:

Google becoming monster

donkhalil18 says:

Google, what the heck is wrong with you?!! I think they probably know that WP is gonna be huge in 4 years *keep positive.

Rich White says:

The world needs a better You Tube. Its MySpace all over again. Ugly ad ridden Google property.Slow to load and navigate and of generally crappy quality audio and video. Kill it and top it. Same with the annoying Vines. Easily bettered.

blurryeyes says:

You love WP or hate google.

RGTrain says:

In that case, MS should turn off access to all Android devices for use of Skype!!!!!!!

donkhalil18 says:

Totally agree with you sir.

Ridlah says:

That would be funny 

swizzlerz says:

No then useres would stop using Skype.

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