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Lumia 630 introduces SensorCore, but excludes the Ambient and Proximity sensors

The Lumia 630 announcement at the Build conference earlier this year was met with a bit of confusion as to whether the device packs in the expected proximity and ambient light sensors. In absence of a clarification from Nokia, most argued that the sensors were missing while the official product listing mentioned the ambient light sensor in the features adding to the confusion.

However, now we know that while Nokia introduced SensorCore in the device, it took away the two sensors to keep the lean specifications for a budget smartphone.

SensorCore

The Lumia 630 packs in a new innovation called SensorCore that will also be available for Nokia Lumia 1520, Lumia Icon, and Lumia 930 with the Windows Phone 8.1 update.

SensorCore allows motion sensors to run as background tasks in a low-power mode. Essentially, when you take a step the Windows Phone in your pocket will know it. By tracking your movement and location, the feature will allow Lumia 630 to also work as a fitness tracker using apps like Health & Fitness. The app continuously tracks, analyzes and provides insights on your daily steps taken.

Increasingly, several apps in this category require to utilize sensor data which may put strain on battery life. SensorCore is the software solution combined with a hardware buffer that attempts to overcome the battery drain problem. The Nokia SensorCore SDK provides developers APIs to access step counter and activity information but also capabilities to record your location data in a very low power mode.

Proximity Sensor

In a nutshell a proximity sensor turns the screen off when you put your phone to your ear for phone calls and turns the screen back on again when you bring it away from your ear to end the call or use the touchscreen.

The Lumia 630 does not include a proximity sensor, but I didn’t face any problem with unwanted taps on the touchscreen while I took calls. I discovered that the touchscreen detects large objects like face or the ear and blanks the display. Unlike with the proximity sensor, I found that this happens when the object touches the display and not when it gets near (obviously, since there is no proximity sensor).

To check, on an active call I placed my palm on the phone and the display went off and when I moved the hand away, the display turned back on. However, tapping with a finger allowed me to work through the Windows Phone interface. Essentially, having used the device for a couple of days I did not mess up any calls with unwanted taps on the touchscreen.

Ambient Light Sensor

The ambient light sensor can monitor the light levels in your environment and adjust your screen accordingly. In a dark room for example, since you won’t need the screen to be very bright, the automatic brightness level adjusts the screen display brightness appropriately, also saving the battery life considerably.

The Lumia 630 does not include the ambient light sensor and hence the setting to automatically adjust brightness is missing. The left screenshot is from a Nokia Lumia 920 with the proximity sensor. I’ve been using the Lumia 630 with brightness set to medium and it hasn’t been awkward.

Before we learnt the specifics, the missing sensors were a cause of worry. But the device, at its price and positioning, works around the lack of the proximity and ambient sensors well for a comfortable user experience. Of course, the addition of SensorCore is an interesting proposition.

What are your thoughts on the sensors, or the lack of them, on the Lumia 630? Is the lack of a proximity sensor and/or ambient light sensor a deal breaker?

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Those parts should be cheap now.

rodneyej says:

Even cheaper if you don't use them.... It's a low end device... But, they did better with 52x bang for the buck.. They obviously don't want the 630 eating into 52x sales...
IMPO I wouldn't buy this device it's just too expensive compared to other devices in its range that either add a little more for the same price, or have only slightly less for way less.... $49.99

Are they dual-sim with Nokia quality, though? Even Nokia's entry level phones enjoy better quality than much of the competition, in my experience.

rodneyej says:

Yeah, they are. 520, 521, 525........
Well, no dual sim....

BlackGoku says:

Still it has a quad core processor which is easy better than 520 as well as ips display. So in a way its bit better. But I still love my 520!

OsamaAdam98 says:

Actually the 520's dual core krait processor is better than the 630's quad core.

rodneyej says:

Proof? Link?? Explanation?
Without any of that your claim holds no water...

rodneyej says:

Still, no evidence.... User assumption, speculation, and guessing isn't proof enough for me... Actually using the device, and experiencing apps opening faster, better battery life, and access to more features is proof of better performance... Where's that?
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I can guarantee you that the 630 does at least two out of three of the things I mentioned better... Not, saying that the 630 is a awesome device, but I'm giving credit where credit is due...

OsamaAdam98 says:

I don't think that even a comparison review would be enough for you either I'm not gonna bother searching, good day sir.

rodneyej says:

An unbiased comparison between the two devices is exactly the kind of proof we need... Good luck finding that this early though...
So, as I said in the beginning.. We have no evidence to support those kind of claims yet.. Thanks.

marlasota says:

Exactly how quad core processor benefits the user in a meaningful way?

rodneyej says:

You can't argue about performance.. That's a loosing battle... My 920 performs better than my Focus, and my 1520 performance is better than my 920's.. Probably due to better graphics processing,, which higher end processors always have... So, you can argue that there's no benefit all you want, and use the old WP fan way of thinking which says that WP devices don't need this, or that, but I know better.. And judging from MY experience using different processors I'll take my SD800 over older, or lower end, WP SD processors any day.. Faster, smoother, more efficient, and more capable is just better...
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The features of WP8.1 that the 1520/Icon/930, and possibly the AtivSE can take advantage of that other WP devices can't are meaningful to users like me.. Not you? Well, you're entitled to your opinion.... So, what device do you have❔❔❔

well 520 is not faster than 630 but yes 1 krait core is faster than 1 core of A7 cortex so that means 630 is just one step faster...not so big deal but is faster

rianext says:

I really think 630 is the successor to the 520 price wise...i mean a 620 successor jst can't have all of its existing features stripped...
This probably means that the 6xx series and the 5xx series are getting pushed down to a lower price point...

rodneyej says:

But, why wouldn't they just use 430, 330, or 230???

poddie says:

It becomes clearer every day what a great phone the 620 was. Ffc, flash, Clear Black display, switchable dual shot backs, camera button, capacitive buttons, full sensor array, full Here Drive. Literally the only thing it was missing was wireless charging. Sure, it has a small screen and 512MB RAM, but the size can be an advantage and the RAM is no big deal if you're not into gaming. I don't think we'll see another small phone as fully featured again.

patstar5 says:

The 620 reminded me of my nokia surge 6790, last phone I had before I switched to iphone 4, then 4s, then 5. Now I have a galaxy s4. Windows phone needs more hardware or more niches devices. Really need a good waterproof rugged smartphone that can take a beating. I think the samsung galaxy s5 active will be that phone. Microsoft needs to act faster and get oems to flood market with low end devices.

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Don't forget that it has HAAC mics, and the screen is also super sensistive. I was blown away by all of the high end features in a phone that I only paid $80 for!

BlackGoku says:

Yup I noticed an amazing thing when I made a voice recording I was also able to hear the ticking sound of the clock in my house among with other sounds. Nokia is truly amazing and hardworking!

ALL Windows Phone 8.x Lumia Phones have a super sensitive display.
When you have "lumi" (Finnish for "snow") on the ground then you need gloves
Most of the Androids and all the "innovative" POS iPhones make you take your gloves off
Too bad - unless you early mornings are warm enough...

atrsh says:

i have the 620 for over a year now. I wished that it has larger battery capacity as mine only last about 20hrs from a full charge,on standby with 3G. Other than that,it's a great phone for it's price.

yehuda92 says:

Honestly yeah, it is a deal breaker. This device is aimed at the low end market of 2012, not of 2014, and certianly not of 2015.

I don't think the proximity sensor is a deal breaker, as they approximated the function intelligently. I think the lack of an ambient light sensor is a bigger loss as there was no approximation of the feature. I would add that I still see people with feature phones, so there's clearly still a market for a gateway device like this.

There are 2 things Nokia shouldn't have omitted: FFC and Flash. Those two, put together would cost perhaps $20 more and I would DEFINITELY pay that much more to get a device with all the potential.
I have been waiting for a rather cheap device that would have those two, but Nokia doesn't seem to deliver. HTC 8S had the flash at least.
The sensors are no problem, because Nokia has worked around the proximity sensor limitation with another, gigantic sensor: the display. The light sensor is really not that important. But FFC and flash? One is for Skype, and the other for when you are in the dark used as a torch, and happens a lot.

yehuda92 says:

Honestly, if Microsoft was a little more aggressive and a little smarter they would have killed this device before it left the factory. The 630 does nothing but hurt the Lumia name that Microsoft just spent so much money on.

kingkoopa09 says:

I think its pretty smart you can sway users into neat feature not seen on budget phones by cutting features that's most users probably wont notice are missing

rodneyej says:

That's true.... The iPhone is considered a high end device, but to tens of millions of men, women, and teenager this article would read like some alien language...

MikeSo says:

I agree. The way to differentiate low end and high end is on non-core features, and I count these as that.

TuanLVT says:

Why no sensorcore for Nokia 1020

AV2RY says:

Maybe hardware

twelvetudors says:

Probably needs the 800 or 400 chipset.

hopmedic says:

It's a year old phone.

hopmedic says:

It's close enough. 10 months. And it's not current gen hardware. No promise was made for this tech to go to that phone.

rodneyej says:

It's most likely the processor... See, its not about the fact that the 1520/ 930, have a massive, and powerful, processor... Rather, that they support the low power technology.. So, the processor in the 630 is a newer breed than the ones in the 1020/920/925/928... Those devices are now what we can realistically consider "outdated"....
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Which brings me to another point... So, the 1520/Icon/930/630 have low power capable processor, that's obvious.. So can we count on being able to call out Cortina's name from across the room, with the devices sleeping, and get a response back❔❔ .. With a future update of course...

DJCBS says:

Just don't let Cortana hear you calling for Cortina, though...;D

rodneyej says:

Male version!!!!

Male version? You mean "Cortano"? 

rohanagarwal says:

:D well said man.. Good eye..i read it as Cortana.. :D

rodneyej says:

Good catch by DCJBS, but what about my point?????... Lol!!

rohanagarwal says:

I dunno man.. Cortina doesn't sound like a male's name.. It was a good attempt nevertheless, if that makes you feel any better. :P :D

tkdmacgeek says:

is this fitness app on the 1020 via 8.1?

MadSci2 says:

At only 10 months old, and with no competition anywhere, even in the Lumia line, for its incredible camera, the 1020 cannot be considered "outdated" in any way. Too bad, as I wish I could buy a police with this class of camera, plus S quad core sensor, bigger battery and removable storage!

rodneyej says:

It does have the most capable camera.... But, overall yes it is out dated... Af far as high end WP devices go the 1020 isn't fully capable of taking advantage of some features that are available in WP8.1.. Other newer high end devices can take advantage of sensor core technology, the new Dolby 5.1 audio, and are possible to receive the always on advantages that Cortana might be updated to, better performing processors, and better screen quality...Not even comparing the 1020 to Android devices,, it is outdated by WP high end devices... Actually, overall the 930/Icon/1520 blow the 1020 out of the water... It takes more than one feature to be the better device, and even other Lumia devices have 20mp cameras with the exact same technology of the 1020, so that also takes away from the credibility of the 1020.... But, I will agree that the 1020 is in a class of its own, its just that now technically, overall, being outdated it only has one advantage over the others...
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If we were looking at whether devices were outdated by just judging by the camera then the 1020 certainly wouldn't be considered outdated, but we don't do that... We look at the device in every aspect, and in this case it just doesn't have more of the latest technology than other devices... Outdated isn't technically bad, it just sounds bad, when we know the 1020 is still a very capable device in all aspects.. But, you must look at the reality, and the reality is that in May of 2014 MS's flagship camera phone should offer more in terms of hardware, and newer technologies.. It needs a successor like yesterday....

The problem with this device is that Nokia didn't make this a legitimately useable device for real world users. It's more apparent that ita focus was to prototype the new things 8.1 brings to the picture and ONLY those.on screen buttons, no camera button, new resolution screen, sensor core, Nokia cyan, etc. It showcases all the new features well but that's about it. Things its predecessors did just fine are cut to create a device that is good for JUST showcasing 8.1. This isn't a useable device imo.

apocacrux says:

To say it isn't usable is a bit extreme. As far as I can tell you can turn it on use all the apps, touch the screen, make phone calls. I would consider that using the phone, thus making it usable. The removal of two fairly insignificant sensors does not make a device lack use.

I may have worded that argument incorrectly, I apologize. You're right, it is useable. Its actually quite a nice looking device, in fact. But it is gimping a lot of features we have come to expect from windows phone mostly to, as I said before, "showcase", if you will, 8.1. It almost feels like Nokia designed it as a test device for developers with only the bare minimum and change for the sake of change to specifically show all of 8.1s new features while stripping away past features. The lack of a camera button, flash and ffc are acceptable considering this is a budget device, but the lack of arguably cheap sensors that are indeed important, and lack of real incentive to choose this over a budget device like the competing Moto g(also priced cheaper with better specs) is really a big flaw for a company that's already struggling to differentiate. Maybe my biggest gripe is the fact that Nokia keeps "side grading" instead of upgrading their devices.

rodneyej says:

Well, it I supposed to be low end, but, you're right.. It's all about bang for the buck.. The 630 comes in low in that area compared to other devices...

SwimSwim says:

Hate to say it, but I agree fully. They heavily sacrificed user existence just for the sake of making a showcase device. Really disappointing.

That's not to say it's a horrible phone, but definitely not as good as it could (or should) be.

Samsung has taught us what happens when features are valued above the user experience. Most disappointing Nokia, most disappointing indeed.

rodneyej says:

I agree, but why are we calling this a showcase device? Because it's the first dedicated WP8.1 device?

SwimSwim says:

Because it seems designed to pretty much only use new features in 8.1.

rodneyej says:

Isn't every late Lumia device designed to use all the features of WP8.1?.... The fact that it uses 8.1 features is a good thing... No sense in mistaking that for the fact that the hardware is lacking..

SwimSwim says:

Except it is, considering it drops a lot from its predecessor...

I would love an inexpensive dual-sim phone like this for travelling. I don't need a high-end phone for that purpose, I need dual-sim and great battery life. Don't compare this to single-sim phones when comparing the value.

WesleyBPeres says:

Glance needs the proximity sensor and to read under sunlight you need the ambient sensor. What happened to their market about read under heavy sun? Every phone had this feature in the x20 generation and now the 630 came just to show new things but without the old ones. L520 will have Glance and have a way to use it with glove. What L630 have? Dual SIM and a quad core processor?

RaRa85 says:

This phone continues to impress everybody.

peterfares says:

It continues to impress me with how bad it is. 

Mayur says:

lol.. This phone counties to depress everybody.

glassadam says:

Feel free to do away with ambient light sensors on Nokia phones, as the auto-brightness setting on my 920 has been overly aggressive and therefore useless for some time now.

MikeSo says:

I feel the same about it on my Icon. I turned to doing it manually.

glassadam says:

Yep, me too. And it sucks because it used to work great for the first year I had it, but somewhere in one of the updates last year they screwed it all up! :D

rodneyej says:

Do you miss Glance❔❔

marratj says:

The three manual steps for brightness are just not enough for me, especially in darkness, the low setting is still WAY too bright for my eyes, whereas automatic goes down really far.

ntice_521 says:

Yes...this is a problem for all WP phones, but it's worse for this one since there's no auto.

 

Really dumb that this wasn't fixed in 8.1.

 

NHUK says:

The 630 has a brightness slider, so you have complete control over the interface, rather then the three step or auto of earlier models. I think thats better.

And when you receive a notification on a banner, the screen will turn on even if the device is in your pocket?

apocacrux says:

Unless it picks up on your leg as touching the screen.

kurotsuki says:

If touch sensitivity set to high, it should detect the leg or chest (depends on where you put the phone) ... According to my logic though. But one thing for sure, my 520, although it has proximity sensor, it still light up the display when notification received. Even when I put the screen facing my leg. So?

Faklur says:

Seems not better than Lumia 620 excep processor and connectivity

not a successor to the 620, if anything its the 520's successor

Except my 520 has Ambient and Proximity sensors. It is a successor of 520 but has LESS features. Your own agrument bit you back.

What? Where was I argueing? Calm down, I was just correcting your statement..

Judas20 says:

It's more like a 420

kunafpls says:

Nokia has been avoiding the Lumia 420 because imagine the weed outrage from it

Kaushik Dash says:

The performance difference between s4 and s400 is barely noticeable. I saw somewhere that the s400 is slightly faster in terms of general usability but the s4 trumps in gaming (with the same gpu on both devices)

NHUK says:

These sorts of comments really make me smile - "still not better than the 620, except for the things that are better than the 620"

thegeeknme says:

I'll mostly miss the light sensor for auto screen dimming... But its not a deal breaker.... Perhaps they could add a brightness slider to the volume drop down?? But, on the flip side my wife hates auto and just keeps it on high....

Duduosf says:

Ever since the action centre, it may not be so much of a deal breaker. You can manage the brightness level quickly and easily with the it.

glassadam says:

I would LOVE a slider. I also hate the auto and keep mine at low, which is still often too high for me.

irsyadhhs says:

Still worse than 520

kingkoopa09 says:

I don't see them pushing the 520 away especially since it receives all the upgrades as other devices, I've seen them selling like hot cakes as prepaid att phones, parts get cheaper yet maintain same price

rodneyej says:

Where do we have proof that parts have gotten cheaper? Do we just say that because that's what we're used to thinking?... Parts may have gotten cheaper, with time, in the past, but are we sure that's the case currently? How do we know that some the metals, and other precious resources, that it takes to make a device haven't increased in cost?... Recycling cost money as well.... I'm not disagreeing, I'm just bringing up some things to think about.

Mayur says:

Actually some parts are getting more expensive than what they used to cost few years ago due to shortage, controversy and moral issues surrounding Rare Earth Materials.

mildor says:

Horrible and unacceptable

alcatel pop c1, LG optimus L3, samsung galaxy ace... almost all low-price smartphones have both sensors or at least proximity sensor... even those who are significantly cheaper...

After all, I was thinking of buying 630... it is beautiful.... but is...  this is just not ok

 

(Also... why developer info says that 630 has the sensors when it hasn't?)

Duduosf says:

Maybe they didn't know...

blackprince says:

Three words...economy of scale

cesar ruiz1 says:

Nokia motion beta ain't working on my 1520 since 8.1.

Reebs Reebs says:

These are not the deal breakers on this phone. It's the screen resolution with the large screen combo. Makes no sense to me. I would have recommended it had the case been that they cut these less used features to invest in a higher resolution keeping the cost loss low.

Duduosf says:

It should have a 720p resolution, like the Moto G.

Duduosf says:

I liked the way Nokia managed a way around it, but that could've cut the price a little but. It's still too expensive for what it offers -and lacks.

Revi Bennett says:

Yet they are not selling this phone to you. It does not even have 4glte. It aim at the emerging market and those new time phone buyers do not know a darn about spec.

This way msft might make some money on the phones and not lose billins like motorola.

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Duduosf says:

Yeah, since I'm CRAVING for this phone... What I mean is: They could've cut down the price a little bit, ESPECIALLY since it's aimed at emerging markets. The ordinary people couldn't care less about specs; however, they care a lot about price. That's why I said that.

Winnabe says:

Really? What about the Moto E? Which market is that being targeted to? It has sold in between 80,000-100,000 units on its launch day in India. And that also, when its available only online. You're right, people do not know about the real implications of the specs, but they do compare the values of those specs, and this phone comes up short when compared to the Moto E.
Remember WP's target market was not people who are already entrenched in other smartphone ecosystems, but people who are on feature phones and are making an upgrade. Well, unfortunately Moto E has that covered, unless they price the 630 competitively, 'coz feature-wise this is now even worse than the Moto E.

Duduosf says:

That's exactly the point: The price tag. Here in Brazil, unless they (Microsoft/Nokia) work out better strategy or lower the price tag, not even the vendors in the stores will be able to sell them compared to the m Moto E. I guess MS forgot that WP is still in its infancy (regarding the market share) and that newcomers to the platform will only be interested in investing in it if the price is, at least, compelling.

In Brazil you'll get DTV for football...in the Lumia 630 only - and only in Brazil!
Now I finally understand Kain...envy

Duduosf says:

Lol!! But yeah, I get why they did that only for Brazil. People here in Brazil use this kind of thing a lot! Anyway, the Moto E will have s variant with DTV, too.

grasshoffer says:

No you are getting wrong. In emerging markets will also give a darn about that cheap health sensor.... It is useless compared to the two missing sensors. And in emerging markets dominated by galaxy, android devices a person who goes for Lumia is different from others....as he discards the galaxy and androids seen everywhere in college, office, trains to go for something different. He is not that very average phone buyer who asks friends, shopkeeper help. So he thinks.... And all this small things which set him apart matters to him... So that tap to awake is something he would have liked to flaunt or been confident while clicking pics with the camera button..... But due to 512 ram subway surfers not running, no compass in maps will make him think twice. Lumia 520 would have gained twice the sales it did on places like India had it also launched an dual sim model. And 620 would have had twice the sell if it had an fm radio attached. So this emerging market theory is not completely correct as the profile of an entry level Lumia customer and entry level galaxy,android customer is very different. So please understand it ms and should try not to mess and Lumia line up look like another galaxy line up

Clesanbar says:

With only 512 Mb of ram, a horrible resolution, no camera button and awefull cameras, I might Just buy the phone, but to throw it at Elop's face

Mayur says:

lol... Sorry it wouldn't work, it does not have a proximity sensor :)

bsr95 says:

Deal breaker. Definitely.
Seriously, even the cheapest budget Androids we've bought have all had PROXIMITY SENSORS. And why wouldn't you have a camera button on a NOKIA?? This feels like one step forward and two steps back.

Sagar Limaye says:

Reminds me of the song in GTA

Kritshaurya says:

They should have named it 530......... Coz they degraded 620!

peterfares says:

It seems worse than the 520. Name it 430.

DJCBS says:

This isn't a successor to the 620. And truth the told, the 620 should have been called the 720 because it was that good of a phone. They kinda messed it up there with the numbers. But the 530 should be even cheaper than this. So...

S Vaibhav says:

+620 I would like to see the true 620 successor.

powerd says:

We already have a 720 and it is better than the 820 except for the 512 MB RAM. I guess it was not available in your country.

Judas20 says:

No, it's more like a 420

rather
Lumia 330 the basic model
Lumia 331 the DTV model
Lumia 332 the dual SIM model
Lumia 334 for the 4G model
BUT
I'd accept the Lumia 430...

Yangstax says:

The upcoming Motor E will be priced much more aggressively than the Motor G.  It will not only pose threat to the L5xx and L6xx phones, but also the Nokia X and the Asha feature phones.  Hopefully, MS/Nokia is ready for that onslaught of challenges.  Motor E will be equipped with 1gb and Snapdragon 200 processor.  It will be priced $129 in India.  MS/Nokia will have a lot explaining to do to the consumers that less RAM is better.  :-)

Clavitox says:

Well the biggest difference will be the processor. I'm sure Nokia will use the s200 in their 530

Revi Bennett says:

No one looks at that who does not come forum like that. All they care about is how smooth it runs and the top ten most popular apps. Believe, i can remember telling blackberry were crap, but it had bbm and that all that mattered.

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Winnabe says:

And yet, smoothness won't matter. These days Indian consumers ask what the RAM, clock speed, no. of cores...and the PRICE are. This phone's fate is sealed...by the Moto E.

Yangstax says:

I'm not that pesimistic about L630.  Motor E has basically the similar specs as L525 - Duel Core, 1gb, no flash and no front camera.  L530 will probably has the similar specs with SD 200 processor.  But if it goes back to 512mb as L520, it would be bad.  I'm totally disappointed with the L630's specs which just can't compete with Motor G's.  Motor G has been hurting the Nokia low end phone sales as shown in tthe Nokia 1st quarter report, 2014.  Nokia has no answer to Motor G thus far.

On the brighter side, I think the WP8.1 with Cortana will create some excitement for the WP low end phones.  It adds some fresh values to the WP phones that money can't buy.  The only problem is that Cortana is only available in US now and won't go international until later this year.  If the L530 and L630 prices can be made more aggressive, there are definitely fighting chances.  But what I really like to see is that MS/Nokia would come out with a L635 (or L730) model quickly with better specs than Motor G while selling at the same price range.  The Cortana will be a major differentiator.

Sagar Limaye says:

Yeah I would always prefer motors

MikeSo says:

I rarely make phone calls and I adjust the screen brightness manually on my Icon anyway thanks to it being an option in the action center. Out of the negative things about the 630, and there are several, for me personally this doesn't rank very high. No front facing camera and only 512MB feel much worse.

Lumia 625... In the UK at least, it's competitively priced and not as compromised as the 630.

The 625 should be the base phone for the wp platform.

The 630 seems superfluous.

Odd

felickz says:

Wtf with Nokia always leaving out functionality, can the sensor even cost more than a dollar?

Zig261 says:

The Moto G has more features than this. Nokia shouldn't have left out so many functionalities.

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rodneyej says:

Please don't start that MotoG crap.. A lot of devices have more features, but they don't run WP...

DJCBS says:

The average user doesn't give a crap about that, Rodney. And you know it. People will pick this up and compare it with the next cheapest thing. And that'll be the likes of the Moto G and Moto E.

rodneyej says:

I know, I know..... Geeeeeezzzzz❗❗❗

NHUK says:

Wrong, check the forum you are posting in, this is a site dedicated to windows phone. If I want to consider android as an option (god forgid) I would be off trolling one of their fan sites }:o)

It is only relevant to compare this handset to other handsets running windows phone, otherwise whats the point?

rodneyej says:

Not necessarily true... In the real world we should be comparing WP to Android.. That's what MS has to do to sell devices, and that's what the average consumer has to do as well... In the low end its all about being super competitive with the others in price, and features.. Now, if we were talking about high end devices then I would agree with you, but that rule would still apply to an extent still...
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Case, and point... In the real world WP has to be compared to the competition because the devices have to sell on the same shelves...

NHUK says:

.....but if the customer wants to buy a phone running windows phone OS (as I do, and I would guess many others on a windows phone discussion site) then what hardware IOS and Android are using, and its value is entirely irrelevant. My first question to the sales guy in your shelves example would be "tell me about which windows phones you have"

rodneyej says:

Yes, might be irrelevant to YOU specifically, but other fans might be interested... I even had to check myself on my own comment above......
My suggestion to you is if you come across comments on WPC that you find irrelevant, or aren't interested in, simply ignore them... It's a free site for users to discuss about what they want, and what aspects of a topic they're interested in.... There's no trolling going on here,, yet, so let's just chill out.

NHUK says:

Perhaps you ought to have let DJCBS challenge my reply to him, instead of taking it on yourself, in that case.

rodneyej says:

I see, you're trying to pick a fight.. Lol!! Ok, well I don't want to be a part of that... My bad❕❕❕❕
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Nevertheless, I know a lot of you guys don't really like DJCBS's opinions, and I didn't agree with him all of the time either... But, sometimes he does have a point, and I'm not the one to argue with reason... I give credit where credit is due... In this case he is right, and he stated the reality of the situation.. Why anyone would want to argue with that is beyond me, but its a open community, so argue away...........
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But, he was originally responding to my comment, so..........

Games Goblin says:

Here in India, the Moto G is around $35 more expensive than the 630 - I guess $35 is a noticeable difference in the budget segment. And I would pick WP over android anyday :)

rodneyej says:

Good point.. And the MG isn't available everywhere... MS knows this❕❕❕❕❕

rodneyej says:

Off subject, but will someone try to watch Netflix on their phone and tell me if you get the Can't watch content DRM message❔

iyae says:

I cant watch Netflix cos I cant set DNS in my phone to use unblock-us...so I cant test for you :( ha

Not getting that message on my 1320.

rodneyej says:

Are you running 8.1?

Siah1214 says:

Forums are that way ^^

rodneyej says:

I searched Forums and didn't find anything about this..

peterfares says:

WTF? Why is it missing those two sensors? They're really cheap, any cheap phone has them. The Lumia 630 seems to be even lower end than the 520. 

blackprince says:

Personally if I was in the market for another low-end WP from Nokia I would wait. But I'm not bring on the 930.

Aashish13 says:

They should keep low price like Moto E to compete that

Nokia needs a new proximity sensor anyway. My 925s never works right. Especially when the screen is covered in fingerprints.

Mine works perfectly.. odd.. maybe they wear out over time?

 

Duduosf says:

Mine sometimes fails, too. I wonder why?

Games Goblin says:

main culprit is dust getting underneath the glass (early 920's had this problem, fixed by either a trip to Nokia care or blowing it out with air)

A screen protector covering the sensor can also be a culprit

itshimanshu says:

It is nokia that never gives a perfect smartphone.it let the user to be confused with handset models while buying a nokia smartphone.

DJCBS says:

Actually those "two" sensors are just one as far as I know. The ambient sensor is the same as the proximity. Because the proximity feature works by reading the light. When you put the phone in your ear, it reads all dark and turns the screen off.

 

So, in reality, it's just missing the light sensor. It's then missing all the features that light sensor enabled. Have you seen if it has double-tap to wake? Because that also requires the light sensor.

 

Anyway, this is a phone aimed for third world markets like India, Brazil etc. It's not a phone aimed at impressing people in Europe and North America. However, it's taking a beating already by Motorola. With the Moto E, not only the L630 is in serious trouble but even the Nokia X is.

ntice_521 says:

That's not how proximity works. There's an infrared LED and close = more light (reflected from the near object).

 

NHUK says:

How is double tap to wake linked to the light sensor?

Genuine question,

patstar5 says:

So nokia skimps on ram and sensors and sells this for almosr $200! You can get moto g lte for $220 or dual sim moto g for $180. Motorola e is $130 and has better specs than lumia 630. Unless they sell the 630 for $100 or less, motorola is still the best choice for budget phones.

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mottle says:

I'm pretty sure the Lumia 630 will be sold sup 100$ in quite some time.
Just look at the 520s price history.
The RRP is probably that high because MS didn't want to tun off OEM to make cheap WP8.1 devices or just because it's worth 160$ and they will be able to reduce the price later without cutting into their margin.

NHUK says:

"...  motorola is still the best choice for budget phones"

As long as you dont mind running android?

Pranjal Rai says:

So that means no double tap to wake on this device, right?

Winnabe says:

This phone is only as good or even worse than the Moto E and yet it is priced $50 more. Way to go Nokia. Might as well have called this a 530.

chrispyogurt says:

It's fun to like keep track of your steps for like a while. Then, it becomes cumbersome. And you decide to forget about technology and just workout.

skshandilya says:

The reason Nokia's are popular is because of antenna performance, Motorola has equally good antenna performance for a budget phone to be priced so high when missing features is bad. Proximity sensor is okay but auto brightness is a feature that could improve battery life without sacrificing outdoor visibility.

irtiza_fayaz says:

So we get a neutered Glance screen, right? No "peek" option, I guess, because it used the proximity sensor. Keeping it "always on" is gonna drain the crap outta it's battery. I'd rather have glance than some low power fitness tracker crap. :/

weren't a proximity sensor and an ambient light sensor compulsory in the windows phone 8 design guidelines? how come they got rid of it?
maybe new guidelines for wp8.1

One place where lumia 630 is better than moto g is the storage

Moto g comes with 8 gb or 16 gb options but with no sd card support while lumia has 8 gb in built with 128 gb card support :)

Nokia5110 says:

On 13 May Motorola annonced the LTE version that support the SD card, no mention of the dual sim though.

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_4g-6355.php

http://www.motorola.com/us/moto-g-pdp-1/Moto-G-Wizard/moto-g.html#steps/1

 

Aashish13 says:

Next budget phone should be with 1gb ram and price should be ₹4500 here in India. Microsoft u have to get faster

Games Goblin says:

lolwut??! A windows phone for ₹4500?

Rohan_Arora says:

I agree moto g and moto e have much better specs than windows phones but still a factor that separates nokia and motrola is after sales service. Whenever I recommend someone to buy moto g , he says where will I go if any problem comes in my handset. There are no or negligible service centers. Nokia has to manage costs of all these too. Moreover around every 1 out of 20 reviews I read about moto phones, customers found defaulted handsets out of box. I personally love moto g but motorola is managing to cut the costs just bcz they dnt offer after sales service. Still I feel nokia sactificed too much with 630 but hope nokia does something excellent in future. I am new to windows ecosystem and always used android earlier. I would love to see windows on top of ios and android in future.

grasshoffer says:

No man no... Y r they messing up with the sensors.... Auto brightness, proximity and compass is much more important than sensor core.... these are standards in smart phones.... And 630 is no way a just entry level phone, it is way costlier than Moto e which is ideally an entry level phone. And y is ms messing up with the product line.... 520 620 720 820 920 1020 were perfect models at perfect price and specs differences. They could have upgraded these models with more ram, proc power, better display, dual sim with model names like 525 625 725 825 925 1025 and so on. Now they are bringing in all good for nothing models with missing sensors, low ram, low ppi big screens and just becoming like those tons of galaxy a to z available from Samsung. Why do not update that 620 with 1gb ram, dual sim and fm radio with a higher resolution and slightly bigger display as there will be no physical windows keys in win8.1. But please do no remove the camera buttons as it is very easy to click rather than tapping on screen.... The mobile shake while tapping on screen.

Makm says:

You said it perfectly my friend! I totally agree with you. Nokia should start bringing out phones with processors like Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 and GPUs like Adreno 330 for better gaming performance! I hope Microsoft understands what we really want from the lovely Lumias.

mottle says:

The thing is that the experience on this low end Samsung galaxies is mainly bad because of it's behavior not because of the screen or the RAM.
I can't imagine that the experience is bad on the L630.

The MotoG / E is pretty surly selling on the lowest level of margin quite next to nothing.
MS wants to attract new OEMs for WP they can't just now start devices for no margin or with loss. But they can lower the price in three to four month to about 80$ and many won't money on the device. Look at the 52x that is now selling for 50-80$.

kingkoopa09 says:

I have a 1520 and I have the autobrightness on mine I do manual way more often, medium does as well or better than auto for viewing and battery life and I usually lock my screen whennon the phone or use Bluetooth u can't put a 6" tab on ur face,

You explain the workaround of hownits not needed and brag about how cortana works flawless or how well sensorcore is included as well as a speedy phone in general all for cheaper or same as competition

MrDaedra says:

That's even not good like a phone

Nakazul says:

Its a low end phone and Baxi who actually used the phone said it works fine. So what are we complaining about. You kind of only loose auto brightness and you are not paying for a flagship? So what was the problem with this?

kingkoopa09 says:

+630 yet you get features like cortana and sensorcore which comes in devices like iPhone5s which costs about 5x the price

Nokia motion monitor beta has been an interesting app so far cant wait to see them add sensorcore support

Abhi_k4 says:

Well.. Just throw in a ClearBlack display, front facing camera and flash and audio equalizer and compass in Lumia 525, name it Lumia 530. And let it be priced the same as 525, decreasing the price of 525 and see how Nokia cuts the sells of Moto E and G..

Makm says:

And don't forget the glance screen!! :P

Games Goblin says:

If MS releases what you are suggesting, it would kill of 630 and possibly the 720 successor.

Makm says:

As far as I know the Lumia 630 is also missing a magnetometer, which even the Lumia 520 has.

avigyan says:

520 doesn't have a magnetometer.

Halfame says:

630 will be perfect if it has 1G RAM

elderjlward says:

OUCH!!! I think its a challenge for Nokia(Microsoft) who has already been under-cut in price by the Moto E which has some pretty decent spec, Android Kit Kit and most certainly both a proximity and ambient light sensor. The lack of these basic smartphone sensors make the device an easy target of ridicule by the competition. It's a great device, the display as a workaround seems like it accomplices the task of the proximity sensor, but when the competition is so intense especially in the low end such a basic omission of these two sensors gives the competition fuel to use to downplay the Nokia 630. It's certainly negative talking point despite it seeming to be a really great device. Again being under cut in price already by the Moto E really males this omission even more painful.
Additionally the points made by Rich in this WPCentral article on April 7, 2014 seemed to confirm that Nokia confirmed that the device would have those sensors. Do they (could they) change course in that time. If so, would the additional cost be more "costly" than the bad PR, the omission of these basic smartphone sensors in a highly competitive low end where Android devices are coming in at lower prices points and fairly advanced feature sets. Rich seemed to agree that thier omission would make it less advanced than the 520, which based on perception, even of not on practice, is a certainly a bad thing. http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-lumia-630-isnt-missing-proximity-sensor

Alphonz says:

I would have bought the phone if they had packed in a 1 GB of ram with it

r4v says:

How to say it? Xiaomi Redmi 1s is faster, with better screen, better battery, more memory and is CHEAPER! Yeah, I know it's Chinese.

goldenpipes says:

Little off topic but why doesn't the proximity sensor work in my pocket? Wearing a BT or wired headset and I'll be listening to music and then a call will come in and after the call my phone thinks my thigh is making taps. Usually Cortana pops up. Or ill get a txt message and Cortana will read it to me then when I go to reply my thigh will tap start or back and ruin the whole thing. This happens alot (Lumia 920) the phone should by now know if its in a pocket or not.

goldenpipes says:

Perfect windows phone for me would be a 5.5" amoled w/ glance, quad core, 2gb ram, 32gb with SD card, high capacity battery, 20mp pureview dual flash, FFC for skyping. Wrap that bad boy up and take my money at&t.

mottle says:

I can imagine that the 630 is lot cheaper to produce than the 520. Nokia/MS just kept the price at that level to not turn off other OEM from WP. (if they would have sold this device for low or nearly no margin -like the MotoG- OEMs would have been turned off pretty fast)
In five month this device will be bloody cheap but even though not sold for loss.

But they can lower the price in the next month to about 80$ without losing money on each device. Not having these two sensors, in real life is not really a big deal. Especially if there is a workaround for one and a manual option for the other. My girlfriend have a sicker on the front of her phone which hides this sensors as well, she locks the screen manually right after she takes the call and is though totally fine with it.

Dexter467 says:

Anyone noticed there are no headphones nor USB cable! FML! :(

SgtBigRig says:

Wow...I REALLY cant wait for companies, like BLU,  Lenovo,  LG, ect to show their Windows phones, This monstrosity will never be my smartphone. Nothing smart about the design at all really...People keep using that piss-poor excuse  that its a "budget" phone.  aka  do what ever. When in reality  there are some Grade-A  budget devices that would absoluy trample this thing.  In the android or windows phone segment.     Nokia  made this thing as a tax write off I swear... lol 

 

Though im sure wpcentral is probably a subsidiary of  Nokia...so you know how that goes. 

Ian Too says:

A lot of you guys are doing an impressive Chicken Little impression. Most users wouldn't know what a proximity sensor was, leave alone desire one and it seems like Nokia/Microsoft have found a way of using screen capacitance to provide the same functionality, so really, who cares? Nokia have however, brought new functionality to the table which might appeal in these fitness conscious times. This could prove a disruptive technology and is a brave gamble. It's up to Nokia to talk up this feature, which if incorporated into all new devices could differentiate the brand. This could be good.

colinkiama says:

This device is a disgrace to the 6xx series. This should be Lumia 230 or something.

rohans says:

Well if the comparison is with moto g then we should take this into consideration that Lumia has a better build quality as compared to moto g plus google has done minimum optimaization with that device as compared to Lumia which certainly adds up to the cost of a phone.....plus we should also take this into consideration that adding sensor core functionality was also not cheap ....plus after sales services of nokia is far much better than Lenovo( which bought motorola ) ....so I dnt think that I is a bad choice at this budget ...and also adding that display wise also I think nokia wins ....plus nokia has substituted the functionality of those sensors quite well

Lych says:

The whole thing is just disappointing. Despite being on the Nokia boat myself, I hope this one flops horribly.

Microsoft must make a phone with 5.1 QHD screen , 5 Mb front facing camera , aluminum body , 30mb rear camera with a very excellent resolution , water and dust proof , Qualcomm snapdragon 805 octa-core with 2.7 GHz , finger print sensor and other great features

Don't forget the sd card slot - honestly, one of MS's smartest decisions and one killer feature; this app2sd function has made devices like the 625 simply superb bang for buck!

Wasn't there a wpc article refuting the claims that no proximity sensor is included. Something about that assertion being ridiculous and that this would make the 630 a lesser device than the 520?
I'm not sure what Nokia were thinking, with this phone, but its MS's problem now.
Someone in MS needs to have a hard look at all these odd decisions - the xboxone, windows 8, the surface tablets, wp, pricing, specs, markets and releasing.
I'm not suggesting the aforementioned products are not good. Just, perhaps, ill conceived or executed.
The 630 - in the UK one can pick up the 625 on a competitively priced payg plan. Where do these 630 devices sit? They're higher priced and core functionality is cut. The argument that this is low tier is bunk, when one can get many other devices as good or better (625, 620, 520, Moto g, e, Samsung, Acer, huwei etc) - this device just doesn't fit. Ok, has quad core. So? You can't even use one of MS's core services with it, something generating income: Skype.
This device is ill conceived. I personally hope it disappears.
Anyone in the UK looking for a low end entry into WP - carphonewarehousedixons do deals on the 625 for around £100 + topup. Not always, but the price drops, depending on the network. Key point, they're sim unlocked, so you can use any network. Go get em, superb device. Not sure what this 630 is but it's a travesty.

CraftedCrows says:

I am mostly an android user but i had the craving to try WP for some time now. I thought this device would be perfect for what i wanted since my main SIM stays in my android and the SIM from my home country stays in the 630.

I don't use it that often on a daily basis but i like it and for the price it was a sweet deal. I paid 159 euros plus i got a pair of WH-530 Coloud Headphone for free.

Don't really miss those sensors and if it came with auto brightness i would have turned it off anyway. 

Overall great bang for the buck and a good phone to play around with Windows Phone OS.

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