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Microsoft joins forces with Google to sue the US government over surveillance transparency

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Microsoft is teaming up with Google (no, you read that correctly) to sue the US government and win the right to reveal details surrounding official requests for user data. The two tech giants announced the lawsuit yesterday, taking the battle over the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to a whole new level.

The National Security Agency (NSA) and other US government bodies utilise the mechanism to collect data on foreign Internet users, which has been in the news recently with activity through the likes of PRISM leaked to the media. Microsoft previously responded to the NSA controversy, stating the company is not spying on consumers.

Brad Smith, Microsoft's general counsel, published the lawsuit announcement on Technet, complaining of the government's "continued unwillingness" to allow the company to publish information regarding FISA requests. With many believing both companies have indeed been spying on their online activities, Microsoft and Google are desperately attempting to clear their image through attempts to be as honest with consumers as legally possible.

The leaks by Edward Snowden, provided to the Guardian and Washington Post, revealed NSA claims about access to technology companies' data through PRISM. Smith continues:

"With the failure of our recent negotiations, we will move forward with litigation in the hope that the courts will uphold our right to speak more freely. And with a growing discussion on Capitol Hill, we hope Congress will continue to press for the right of technology companies to disclose relevant information in an appropriate way."

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Good guy Microsoft standing up to government

Previously stating that while NSA does not have direct access to backend systems and services, the companies admitted they were legally unable to disclose how many data requests have been completed. "We believe we have a clear right under the US constitution to share more information with the public," said Smith's post. "The purpose of our litigation is to uphold this right so that we can disclose additional data."

Smith did welcome an announcement made earlier this week by the US government, which detailed plans to publish the total number of national security requests for consumer data for the past 12 months. However, Microsoft's general counsel noted that the public deserves and the constitution guarantees more than what's currently in the works, "we believe it is vital to publish information that clearly shows the number of national security demands for user content, such as the text of an email."

It's suggested that said figures should be published in a form that separates them from the number of demands that only capture metadata such as subscriber information associated with a particular email address. Smith explains, "we believe it's possible to publish these figures in a manner that avoids putting security at risk. And unless this type of information is made public, any discussion of government practices and service provider obligations will remain incomplete."

The blog post aimed to not only lift Microsoft to the moral high ground, but also Google and other companies who are fighting for more transparency. Whether or not consumers will believe the walls of text that's being published is another question. What are your thoughts on the situation regarding collected data and governments? Are tech companies doing enough for customers?

Source: Technet, via: Guardian; thanks, Tragic, for the heads up!

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Winnabe says:

First? *looks over both shoulders to check*
EDIT : Disclosure : This comment is supposed to be a satire of all those 'first' posts. No need to get worked up.

pan_ani says:

Man, what are you, a five year old?

Winnabe says:

Man, it was the obligatory 'first' comment. I hope you are old enough to see the intent. :-/

pan_ani says:

I am old enough to understand that  the obligatory first comment should be related to the topic. 

Winnabe says:

I give up! Maybe you should 'grow' a sense of humour.

pan_ani says:

or maybe u should just 'grow' up :P

Winnabe says:

Grow up and become evil like Google? Naaah. :P

chataddicted says:

Beginning of a great fight ended up with a hand shake... Lol

hwangeruk says:

He meant grow up and stop acting like a 5 year old. Those first posts are so pathetic. It wasn't even remotely amusing, they _never_ are.

Winnabe says:

Thanks for clarifying what even a five year old would have understood. :-/ Chill man, this is all banter. These 'first' posts are meant to be funny because they are pathetic.

james v says:

'first' comments were never meant to b funny, kids started it and average person hates it.

Winnabe says:

:] Care to read the edit to my original comment?

Nik Rolls says:

'Obligatory' coming from the word 'obligation', implying that you're obliged to make a comment about being the first to post. Which is wholly incorrect.

A first comment is inevitable, a 'first' comment is not obligatory. I had hoped the entire word would have got over it by now. But it seems that even amongst the high calibre of readers we have here it still prevails.

kirklyt says:

I think 'I had hoped the entire WORLD would have GOTTEN over it by now' is much better.

Winnabe says:

'Got' is also apparently a correct usage as the past participle form of 'Get'. One is not 'obliged' to use 'Gotten' everywhere and everytime. Just saying.

kirklyt says:

Being a purist as he is, then write a comment as purist as he projects.

Nik Rolls says:

Thanks for focusing on a little typo and completely ignoring the sentiment of the message, which was clarifying that annoying posts are not required, no matter how sarcastic.

By the way, 'gotten' was revived In American English because people couldn't figure out when to use 'have' vs 'have got' (possessive vs either past possessive or past participle). I speak British English which no longer uses 'gotten'.

Winnabe says:

Really Nik? You too! Where is Rodney when I need him? :'(

jlynnm350z says:

Big word, long word, important word, rare word, really long word. . .

The only thing obligatory is me putting my foot up your ass for 5yo behavior. Please stop it.

blessthejon says:

Do you even lift?

IN5TIGATOR says:

Where is deleter Rubino?

Winnabe says:

Guys chill, chill, chill. Never will I make a 'first' post ever again. It was never meant to snowball into this. :(

I thought it was funny. Tell pan to go suck his own dick.

pan_ani says:

Ya man, maybe afterwards i will do yours...

Winnabe says:

Hey Pan. You are new here. You need to go through the comment sections of some of the past articles on this website to understand what I am alluding to with my 5 y/o comment. Peace.

chataddicted says:

Enough enough next time u plz say i m not the last instead of saying im the first now stop this thread..

chucky78 says:

Me to. I don't understand why people get so upset over "first". I agree they need a sense of humor.

Because they weren't the first & who cares if you pissed them off? They obviously have nothing better going on...

NIST says:

I believe the whole"First" comment is a carry over from YouTube. Where a major artist would launch a video and the race to be "first" to view and comment would lend to some YouTube notoriety and put you at the top of the comments list. Any use here is strictly for comedic sake or meme.

Winnabe says:

Makes sense to me.

Nik Rolls says:

It's much older than YouTube. And the backlash here is because even if it was ironic in this case, there was a time recently when it wasn't and defects were clogging up the thread with useless comments.

Just sayin'.

Winnabe says:

I was unaware of that. In the end, the fact still remains that my original comment was just a harmless satire, and this backlash here is quite uncharacteristic of the generally humoristic tendencies of the users of this website.

nbolmer says:

Satire doesn't work the way you think it does. Lampooning a meme doesn't mean ironically pretending to be part of it. Satire has an implicit commentary on the subject, and cleverly communicates that commentary, never explicitly. Your attempt at satire was successful only in exposing your complete lack of satirical chops.

Winnabe says:

Look man, you are over-analysing this. Why can not satire be explicit? By all means it could be. I might be lacking in satirical chops, but you need to have a perspective. If you are so fond of scrutinising my satirical nous, look at my original comment - as innocuous as it could be, and look at why anybody should be even remotely incensed by that. It should have been left alone. I didn't mean it to be explicit, but when the thread escalated into kind of a fist-fight, I put the edit later to explicitly state that it was a lampoon. Stop being so harsh on people when the original intent was not to antagonize anyone.

Aanze says:

I LOVED every single post of this mini-thread. Thanks dude.

Rehan Saleem says:

Yeah, me too. I loved how people were so into opening their dictionaries and blurting out the meanings of the words. So hardcore losers who got no Sense of humour, so robotic, so accurate and geeky.
Let the FIRST commenter live in Peace. You guys are so jobless and serious minded to backfire him.
(please, if finding any grammatical errors here, don't correct me, I can live)

gazmatic says:

this wont change anything

if anything it will make them sneakier and more elusive and invasive

the uk is actually worse than the us

they cache the entire internet for MONTHS

they get waaay too much funding to stop what they are doing

50billion dollars is a lot of incentive

nice try google and microsoft but this is mainly to try and sway public opinion... more so for MS because everybody seems to give google a pass

sicnus says:

OMG whatever will the google hating MSFT zealots do!?

hwangeruk says:

Fairly certain most Internet sentiment is the other way around, Android users (just like they did as Linux zealots on Slashdot) pour scorn on MS despite what they do. It doesn't have to be a holy war. If you like Android, GMail whatever, use it. If you like MS products use them. Why people have to use what they like yet go out of their way to post hate about the other choices is baffling. People don't do this with cars. Imagine handing out on street corners, being a Ford owner yourself, and saying "hey you, GM driver, you're a numbskull - GM blows, is greedy sweaty monkey boy" etc. It would be the behaviour of someone needing medical attention. Yet here you are trying to provoke the same emotions. Just leave it alone. Live and let live, let people use what they want.

sholokov says:

That will never happen on a street corner because the people who write $#!t on the internet hold a door for you in person. When they write, they feel invincible and hence rude.

RyanAMG says:

Yes that does happen with car people. I have a Merc and BMW owners feel the need to tell me how they can go 0.02 faster on the track then my car. And the funny thing is none of them have it in them to prove it.

sicnus says:

Well said hwangeruk

dazorange says:

I don't think you have been around car fanboys. They do exactly the same thing.
Trash talking between fan groups has always been there and always will. It's when it becomes vicious that it looses the charm. Normal people know how to dish out and take, and they don't get mad to the point of wishing harm on others. See it this way. If the other guy wasn't around you'd have no one to feel superior to.
A little bit of competition is good since it creates passion. We have seen how that can benefit with all the passionate and great WP developers that truly keep the platform going with their amazing apps.

Coolaaron88 says:

Working together?!?!?!?!? *head explodes*

Antistatic says:

I thought the same...
MS and Google working together....
Is it 1 April? *checking calendar *

juanitoriv says:

2nd.. As in 2nd Amendment. At least it was... Damn.. I understand the desire for the NSA, but the reach has become way too broad.. I respected the hell out of Qwest who refused to provide user info.. Here in the US of A, we have certain inalienable rights.. I applaud these two rivals for joining forces for the greater good!! If we allow Big Brother to know everything, how is that free?? Folks from GB, you've got it like that.. 1776 was because we didn't like it.. Hells yeah MS & Google!!

Robborboy says:

Nobody anywhere has rights when it comes down to the wire.

Holy shit you can't sue the government lol

Because they will come after you and if they can't find you they'll take your family, and execute them making you watch...wait, aren't you from North Korea?!

Rockartisten says:

It's about filtering out the people approving this shit. The US has become a very dangerous nation that the world needs to deal with before it's irreversible. Outside of US borders, it is a war mongering fascist state that assassinates and imprison people. The US used to be a great nation, but now it's just a fucking bitch of unknown powers.

Piro.Garay says:

Go to sleep Rich... Lol.

Rich Edmonds says:

I wish! On way to the dev event in Bournemouth, chaps!

Piro.Garay says:

Good luck, I'm on my way home from the bar... There was no ladies tonight :'(

I bet you had some pussy waiting for you at home..
I hope you fed your cat.

xankazo says:

How'bout joining forces to make a decent Youtube and Gmail app?

What's in that for Google?

lippidp says:

Same as for all Google shit -- more ad revenue.

mixtnet says:

How about using the information to stop SPAM. They obviously have the ability to know who is sending it, clogging up our inboxes. Shut them down!

Nik Rolls says:

First, they don't. Spam is often sent from unsuspecting innocent users' email addresses, and otherwise from distributed anonymous servers.
Second, Google would prefer to deliver you spam personally.

mixtnet says:

I think we all know by now that there is no such thing as anonymous on the Internet. I'm just saying that the technology is there and I'm sure they have run across rogue servers blasting out malware and SPAM. Phishing, Trojans, etc. can affect national security.

RyanAMG says:

That would be the end of Go Daddy. Most of the spam I get comes from their customers. Granted probably hacked accounts.

Nik Rolls says:

Haha, well with Go Daddy's track record I wouldn't be so sure they were hacked ...

juanitoriv says:

And why not?? Governments are responsible for the most atrocious of crimes. Why can they not be held accountable as well?? I have 2 relatives, cousin & uncle, in politics here in CO. I would and will tell them if they f**k up too.

Fendero Rede says:

Fucking government has turned into the Gestapo. Even these multi-billion companies are being gagged and bullied by the spooks. They forgot they work for us, and we can stop the paychecks anytime we want. "Those who sacrifice Freedom, for security, deserve neither" -some famous dude. Ashton K.

Robborboy says:

That is a curious statement. Originally the Government was something ran by the people. Now however it is its of entity. And you can't really stop the Government's pay checks without ceasing to have a job.

sholokov says:

He is talking about the paychecks of the companies, not government.

Everything has a cycle, but all governments , no matter how benign they start out, at the end turn into assholes. The UK, German, and French governments are knee deep as well. The e-mails from Snowden and exposure from the Guardian are damning. FISA court ruled some of the broad surveillance was unconstitutional, NSA went ahead anyway, gave the companies millions and got the data so they could claim their hands were free. Disgusting. And Microsoft and Google are deep in this mess, with no easy extrication. Why did they provide the encryption keys to the NSA for Gmail and Outlook? Something doesn't compute.

Rockartisten says:

I can't take FISA seriously, since it means "to fart" in Swedish.

Tragic says:

I couldn't believe when I first seen this. Though it was interesting and wanted to share with my fellow WP users. Anytime Rich I do it for the community :)

HarkAtYou says:

I actually misread the title as Microsoft and the US government team up against Google... Its early morning. :(

schlubadub says:

Dude, it's after 4pm... You need to get up earlier :P

HarkAtYou says:

:D It's 9am :P

I'm so happy with this website and the wp8 app.. Keep it up guys!

Rich Edmonds says:

Test is successful.

IN5TIGATOR says:

We are sorry, we could not process your request right now. Please leave WPCentral and send a picture of yourself to the NSA.

WinEXMan says:

They both are major Nsa partners and was to keep a public awareness that they care

Josh Harman says:

You don't have to get warrants from secret courts to get info from a "partner".

Jeric820PH says:

Hope it will be a Success in their side..

sip1995 says:

They're doing this together...but they can't do a YouTube app together

"oh shit someone leaked that we have been spying on our users for several years, lets safe face."

^^^ this, they are both full of crap.

nizzon says:

Im just wondering... where is Apple in this? They just got lucky that no info was leaked about them or what?

mondokjm says:

The US Govt turned down an injunction that would have prevented the import of apple devices due to a ruling in favor of Samsung. I think apple is keeping a low profile.

Josh Harman says:

Apple spies for themselves, but mainly because they don't run a search engine and email service.

lubbalots says:

I'm glad to see them work together for an important cause such as this. We can't let the government have this much power. I do not want to foresee a future where my children and grandchildren live in a future world being told how to live , what to say, when to eat, or where to go.

Rather have them working together to make us WP users some Official Google Apps

Lumia 8x says:

Eric Cartman: Eh hem, how would you like to suck my balls, Mr.Government?

lippidp says:

As Snowden has already shown us, the US Govt will do whatever it wants. Two companies suing it will have zero effect, I'm afraid. To affect real change we must throw out our president and all members of Congress that support this NSA effort. Then it will stop.

scdkad says:

No matter who's in charge NSA will be there..reigning them in is the problem.

How about defunding the NSA, or stating any information acquired about domestic citizens will be immune from use by the prosecution for any crime forever? If the whole purpose is to identify international targets why not? The real reason is about the trail of Benjamin's.

IN5TIGATOR says:

Throwing out our president? The Obama dictatorship will be completed next year, Anyway.

I hope you are wrong but it is heading in that direction.

bguy_1986 says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXWTdTnhebs
 
 
most transparent and ethical my ass

 

louisoneal says:

I hate to say this, but who really cares.

monigal2 says:

But google won't let Microsoft have an official YouTube app

3165dwayne says:

But Microsoft won't let linux users have an official Microsoft office suite. I dont understand you people. Microsoft does the exact same thing and yet none of you take notice. I call that being biased.

I'll bet if Linux users showed Microsoft there's a good demand for Office they would make it. They have a Mac version which Mac isn't at that great marketshare. I know, I have a Mac.

3165dwayne says:

Don't be silly. You should know that that ship sailed years ago. How long do you think linux has been on the market? And before anyone asks, not all linux users want or wanted only open source programs.

3165dwayne says:

there are manyother pieces of software that microsoft keeps from other linux distros as well, such as direct x. Of course I don't mean all of them, just the more popular distros. You people should just accept that Google doesn't HAVE to provide these services for a COMPETING platform, apparently Microsoft doesn't have to, and that's just fine with everyone here, so why can't the opposite be true?

Joel H18 says:

Nice to see Google and Microsoft working together on something

Arafat Sa says:

May the force be with them

Maybe now the two tech giants can join forces & make a worthy YouTube app that actually works

goldenpipes says:

What's with the _'s?

Voxophone says:

This is actually pretty cool

cesar ruiz1 says:

Google+Microsoft =love, I wish they were like that always

blasher4 says:

These two companies fighting for greater good of the consumer??? Now that's hard to believe!! I'm honestly glad.

_X_ says:

This is great news I'm glad both companies are working together to protect the users privacy. Not so nieve to believe we'll have complete privacy, but no entity should have free reign this puts the government in check.

Ushae says:

The fuck, google is playing ball?