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Microsoft Surface 2

The rumors of a Surface Mini have been floating around for quite some time now, details are still sparse for the time being, but the upcoming device is still said to be on tap for a 2014 release. Some new info has turned up that sheds a bit more light on the slimmed-down tablet.

The 8" Surface Mini will be a "consumption class" device, geared more towards taking in information or dropping a few notes (with supported pen input) rather than pounding through documents on Office. As Microsoft is aiming to make the Mini ideal for taking notes, there may be some new apps on the way as well that would make them more fitting for a smaller device than the current 10-inch Microsoft Surface tablets.

According to reports, production of the Surface Mini is completed, so it could see a release any time now.

Source: Neowin



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guidorobben says:

Any news on Surface 3?

Micah Dawson says:

Likely won't hear much news till towards summer. I imagine if they continue surface line we would get it around the holidays.

TheCudder says:

Possibly next spring if Windows 9 is really to happen in Spring 2015. Wouldn't make sense to release a brand new Surface product only to leave it on dated software months later.I just hope to see "Windows with Bing" replace Windows RT.

astroXP says:

You mean like when Nokia releaed the Lumia 900 even though Windows Phone 8.0 was well known to be released a few months later...

xFalk says:

Nobody was forced to purchase an L900.  An informed consumer is a smart consumer and smart consumers waited for WP8.

Aaron M says:

Maybe I have my history wrong, but im pretty sure it wasn't until after L900 release that MS admitted no one could upgrade to WP8. Certainly I think its time to move on, but people at the time who bought the latest "hero" L900 flagship had a right to be mad.

ratsttam says:

Around that time, nobody but Apple was even saying that any device was going to be granted upgrades to the software. 

XP computers were not given or pushed upgrades to Vista (most are thankful for this), as software upgrades were considered a paid upgrade path. Macs were cheap upgrades, but you still had to pay for them too. Some manufacturers pushed out updates to fix bugs, but not to "keep the device current". 

Those users purchased a device with say Android 2.3 on it, or WP 7.5. It is the version listed on the box, in the directions, on the manufacturer page. There was no entitlement to having a newer version of the software. You bought it, and that's what it has, and will always have. 

That tide has changed the past couple years, with Google promising 18 months of support, Apple keeping any capable iphone up to date, and now Microsoft saying that ALL wp8 devices can run 8.1 (carrier blocks aside, that's a different story).

Software developers have found it easier to address bugs and security issues as part of the development of further software, as opposed to maintaining an old version and developing the new at the same time. They still don't have to develop the software to work on older hardware. Apple can make ios 8 only work with their x64 cpu, and say that ip4, ip4s, ip5, ip5c cannot upgrade, while ip5s and ip6 will get this new/great upgrade.

Jonny702 says:

I wouldn't say it was a matter of money as I'm sure lots of people would (albeit grudgingly) pay to upgrade from phone 7 to phone 8. The fact was that Phone 8 was built on a different OS kernel and as a result, upgrading was a technical imposibility. To address this, Microsoft released 7.8.

Nik Rolls says:

Thank you for a well-written, balanced comment. I agree 100%, and I was one of the Nokia trainers who had to tell salespeople that an upgrade to WP8 wasn't possible. I was hurting pretty bad, but I can understand exactly why.

MadSci2 says:

I happily bought an L900 as I was loving the form factor so much more than my Titan 2. It was rumored that it might not be upgraded to WP8, but this remained an open question. The tone of the official releases suggested that it probably would not, but there was an ongoing effort try and find an upgrade path for it. A noobie to the smartphone world might have let their optimism run away with them and then have hurt feelings. A tough introduction. But anyone who has followed the world of Smartphone rumors should not have been surprised, and it was clearly a matter of the hardware specs were too far from the minimum necessary. That said I think MS missed an opportunity to build some brand loyalty by not giving L900 owners a gift card or something, since they were not clear on the situation up front.

ymcpa says:

Wasn't the 920 released about a year after the 900? Plus it was about 6 months after the release of wp8 that developers stopped making apps that were compatible with wp7.8. So, People who bought a 900 had almost 2 years of support and the devices still work pretty good but it's harder to get new apps for them.

StuBeck says:

How so? I bought my Lumia 900 in June, a month before WP8 was announced. The phone had been out for about 4 months at that point. I had no idea that WP8 would not support my "new" phone. 

Cleavitt76 says:

I think you mean that AT&T released the Lumia 900 right before WP8.  It was an exclusive device.  Nokia released the Lumia 800 several months earlier, but AT&T, like all US carriers, has to screw around and make as many devices as possible limited, exclusive, or locked in some way.

mrdoubleb says:

Did MS ever advertise or claim WP7 devices would get WP8? I am still on my Lumia 800. Did I HOPE I would get WP8? Sure! Do I hold them responsible for not getting it? No! They never claimed I would be upgraded.

astroXP says:

Neither did they denied it. Hence the frustration…

Jeebus137 says:

The smartphone beta-test is over...

Aaron M says:

To me it wouldn't make sense to skip the holiday season. They should release it by October. Chances are MS will make W9 a free upgrade for anyone with 8.

coip says:

I also t hink they should offer a free Win9 upgrade to all those with Win8. Or, make it very cheap, like the $15 thing they did when W8 first launched--except this time don't make it a temporary offer.

Hey, they officially launched boxcryptor. Just a heads up

txDrum says:

The last two years?

Window updates aren't beholden to anybody. Unless windows 9 comes out a week after surface launches (it doesn't) there's no reason to delay for it.

Novron says:

Could have a cherry trail in it. They're shipping to OEM's but not supposed to hit the market until Fall.

mspace81 says:

Interesting. Definitely want to see what comes about!

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ed1444 says:

Why do you have it on an android? Lol

humantic says:

I also have it on android for my nook hd running cyanogenmod. I use it as my "reading" device and to supplement the fews apps not yet available.

coip says:

An even better question is why does it have to spam us all the time with declarations that it was posted via the WPC app for Android? Who cares? Delete that line.

txDrum says:

Does it personally offend you? Isn't an android user on WPcentral better than an android user not on WPcentral? Or does that line cause personal harm to you?

coip says:

What I said is that I don't care what medium one is using to post on here. I just want to see what they post. I don't need an obnoxious list of where, when, and how. It's irrelevant information that detracts from the discussion.

[Posted by myself via Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center, running on a Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro with an Intel i5 processor and 8GB of RAM.]

Nik Rolls says:

Agree 100%. I find it obnoxious. Not because it's Android -- I'd have exactly the same issue if it was saying posted from Windows -- it's annoying because it's posted into the actual text of the comment rather than shown as a small footnote like Facebook and Twitter used to do.

ed1444 says:

Everyone needs to get off their rag. So many haters lol. Its just weird. Its like running windows on a mac. Grow up. Thats my opinion. You guys have your own opinions so get off my sack

BldyIdt says:

It's the app's default sig. Get over it.

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coip says:

It's obnoxious. Get rid of it.

Oh god! I can't believe it's not butthurt. Do me a favor and suck it up buttercup.

coip says:

Not only is your reply patronizing, but it is also homophobic and trivializes rape. Grow up.

You must not know what homophobic means, and sure as hell have no clue what you were saying about how my comment "trivializes rape"..
Stop trying to use big words before you actually know how to use them.

coip says:

Oh the naiveté. You used the word butthurt to imply negative connotations about anal sex. Give the association it has with the gay community as well as prison culture, you were either being homophobic, trivializing rape, or both. It's indefensible. Think before you write.

Novron says:

"Rape" is offensive. The correct term is "struggle snuggle."

Stop being a little emo child.

coip says:

Trivializing rape by replacing it with a inaccurate euphemism is despicable.

Novron says:

Get falsely accused by a pissed off girlfriend and let's see how seriously you take it from then on.

coip says:

Get raped by someone and let's see how dismissive you are of it.

Novron says:

I carry a .45. They're welcome to try, honey. Being raped by lawyers is a far more expensive, lengthy, and nerve racking experience.

NachoBear says:

what the fuck is wrong with your brain coip??

humanity demands that you remove that stick from your arse NOW

coip says:

I have no tolerance for intolerance. If people make homophobic, racist, sexist, xenophobic, bigoted, or other such naive comments, I will call them out on it, as they deserve to be called out on it. That's what's going here. If you have a problem with that, then you're part of the problem.

He's just butthurt

coip says:

You're a bad person--bigoted, naive, and egocentric.

txDrum says:

You realize it is somebody else's choice to have whatever signature they want, and you can't do anything about it?

Don't get me wrong, I think a big line of text is a bit unnecessary and I like how they're made of footnotes on other places, but there are far more gaudy signatures in the world. Who cares if the developers who created the Android app get a little advertising? Its not exactly deliberately intrusive like the nonsense you purposely wrote. I don't see unnecessary specs or tags, I see a small shout out that makes a lot more sense.

coip says:

Unless it contributes directly to the topic at hand, then it's irrelevant and forcing people to read automatically generated advertisements is obnoxious. What people can do does not always equate with what they should do. We're trying to live in a society here.

vkelkar says:

Bro u wanna read the comments read or don't read ... Its their choice they add the signature line or not.... Get over it... Nobody is stopping u to do so.... U cant force ur views and opinions on them.... So live with it.. Or don't read their comments simple... Their comments do relate to the actual topic u don't have to consider the signature..

coip says:

Apparently I need to point out the irony of you telling me what to do and then telling me I can't tell others what to do--which I wasn't doing, by the way. What I was saying is that automated signatures that post irrelevant information are obnoxious. And they are. If they want to be obnoxious, clearly they can do so. But my guess is that the grand majority of readers on this site would appreciate them being more considerate and deleting that superflous line from spamming the discussion section.

vkelkar says:

Its was just to inform you that they wont stop adding it... They can do whatever they want.... And u continue posting with what u want... Simple

NachoBear says:

your whole dayum life is superflous to the world. your parents must have been some fukd up people to raise a kid like you

vkelkar says:

U better don't try to check on others life.... I know what's my life... U better mind ur own.. It seems like u were jst born and left by yr parents... That's the reason u give such fckng waste comments

NachoBear says:

i wasnt talking to you dumbarse, i was talking to coip, but hey if the cap fits on you too then keep it.

vkelkar says:

Actually u replied to my comment.
. U shud have replied to me.. That's what i am thinking... Why u replied me... Anyways if its not me then ... Apology... Ur mistake as well... :D

NachoBear says:

i didnt reply to you, look at where my post is positioned you silly billy :P, but no need for apologising to me

vkelkar says:

You please check where is it positioned just below my comment.... And i do not reply from the comments section. I got a mail that u replied me.... Specifically me...

NachoBear says:

yeah well it might be under your comment but it is indented in line with the other chap's comment. you get comments for anyone who replies after you on the same thread it doesn't mean it was a reply to you. wpcentral system must be butthurt too


no big deal but i am right

vkelkar says:

Yeah let it be...

Here you go with the big words you don't know how to use! I like the part where you jump to conclusions like "Butthurt implies anal sex" LOL you're as big of a moron as they possibly come.
Just close your dictionary, and shut up for all of us please; because reading your idiotic comments are tiring and cause serious headaches.

coip says:

The fact that you are us ing the word butthurt and you don't even know what it signifies just reaffirms your ignorance. There is nothing cool about using that word. It's offensive, as is trying to justify its usage.
Every word I used was used correctly. Sounds like you're the one who needs to use a dictionary.

What's that?... You're butthurt?

coip says:

Homophobia isn't cool. It's not 1994. You're just embarassing yourself.

Novron says:

Emo drama queens aren't cool either. Never have been. Welcome to equality. You can get made fun of like the rest of us.

NachoBear says:

nobody cares if you like taking dick up the poopshoot or whatever else you do in your damn bedroom. just stop acting butthurt over every little word and making mountains out of molehills.


get a life you eejit, homophobia wasnt "cool" back in 94 either you tardwick. what a smelly confused fool you are

coip says:

You are a terrible person. Your homophobic comments impress no one.

NachoBear says:

im not scared of people who want buttseks

coip says:

Homophobia encompasses more than just fear; it also describes bigots who hate, disaprove of, or mock gay people or culture, which your comments do. Regardless of whether you are homophobic or not, your comments are, and that's not okay. You're just embarassing yourself at this point.

NachoBear says:

well even girls can be butthurt and as far as i know a gay girl still hasnt grown a peepee big enough to hurt the other girl with. so there must be a good number of blokes raiding their girlfriend's rectums which means straight people can get butthurt too. in fact even if we ignore your personal obsession with gay prison sex, my grandad had piles and had to use anal suppositories so he was butthurt too.

unfortunately for you those small facts make your entire childish argument linking the word butthurt to gay-bashing an epic fail. go to sleep son, you are drunk on hate.


gay people claiming the ability to "marry" when they cannot produce children is a mockery of straight people and proper parents and the entire insitution of marriage tradition throughout history, but hey you dont hear me complaining to make it illegal or to stop it being illegal. i say live and let live. it doesn't bother me, marriage in today's society where govt controls it is stupid anyway. so i dont even care if a donkey gets married to a cow. big deal. but it is still offensive and a mockery yet i am tolerant of the intolerance towards human tradition.

homosexual people stole the word happy (gay) and now you are trying to steal the word butthurt?

get a LIFE! you don't own anything. you are on this planet and you MUST share it with straight people too, so stop being angry all the time and finding non-issues to expose your personal hatred and issues with

you are part of this new "gaystapo" where you want to control not only how people speak but think as well. this strange hateful gay mafia who uses subversive tactics such as forcing politically correct language in the publlic domain and redefining words and restricting freedom of language is not going unnoticed by rational humans. as with any liberal hypocritial attitude it always exposes itself. just as you said you thought it was "cool" to be homophbic 10 years ago, whereas a rational person like me would say otherwise.

not everyone will succumb to this treachery.

some of us are prepared to incorrectly be labelled as homophobic while we fight those who choose to inject hatred where there is none.

"sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me", guess your father never taught you that? makes it all the funnier since nobody taught you about "context" either.

gays dont have exclusivity for victim status in life, i would say grow a thick skin like every other human has to, but there is no point because you are spineless. i would say growing a backbone first should be your priority.

so bring it on, i will NOT be bullied

coip says:

You will not be bullied? You are the bully.

First, your citation of the fact that heterosexual couples can have rectal sex as somehow justification for using the offensive word 'butthurt' is a fallacy. That would be like saying it's not offensive to black people to stereotype them as eating fried chicken and watermelon because non-black people can eat fried chicken and watermelon too. It's not okay.

Second, if you don't know what the word 'butthurt' means, you shouldn't be using it. It carries negative connotations that are both offensive to the gay community and to rape victims.

Third, I'm not gay. I'm just not a bigot. One doesn't have to be gay to stick up for socially oppressed groups. And I will not stand down to an ignoramus who continues to oppress them with his perpetuation of hate. You are what what is wrong with society. Thankfully, your ilk are fading away fast.

NachoBear says:

don't bring black people into it you race-baiting freak.

well i AM gay and you ARE butthurt. like i said most idiots who fight for feminazism are confused liberal men not women, and the same crowd are part of the gaystapo of political correctness fighting for gay marriage and such silly things.

the best thing to do for you non-gay members of the gaystapo is get lost. you are using the fact that we are born gay to promote your own ego and restrictions on society.

i can speak for myself. the same way the white liberal democrats in the usa use black people's emotions to win votes and keep them stuck on the welfare plantation with no escape is the same way the white liberal democrats like you use us gay people and im tired of it.

stop hijacking issues to make yourself feel self important. you are a nobody, just a butthurt troll who i am making clear to everyone is a POE. i called you out on it, your tactics to divide and conquer will not work.

us gays are not socially oppressed we are free, we are not forced by social pressure or family to get married yet a small group of weird individuals are making us feel less than worthy or that our relationships are not validated unless we have exactly the same things as a man and woman partnership. it's wrong, we already have civil partnerships but the gay mafia (who are not all gay as i made clear) hijack the issue and make us feel bad because they want to hijack another word. i do NOT want to emulate heteresoexuals. i am DIFFERENT. i am happy being myself i dont need eejits to speak for me unnecessarily creating trouble by using my sexuality as their weapon

as a gay person i do NOT think homophobia was cool 10 years ago like you did before you had your stupid epiphany and attached yourself to some random cause.

like i said stop bullying me and others on this page and go and do your white-knighting elsewhere you strange little man or just do yourself a favour and jump out of the closet but keep it to yourself and your partners because nobody else gives a shit.


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coip says:

Every time I get a notification in my inbox that you replied I think, "Nah, he couldn't possibly have found a way to make himself seem even more ignorant, could he? Really?" And then you prove me wrong every time. Well done, if trolling is goal. If you actually believe all that crap you just wrote, though, then you're a lost cause. Ignorance is only bliss when it doesn't promote bigotry. That was, no doubt, one of the most naive things you've written yet, and that says a lot.

NachoBear says:

shut up you utter failure at life. stop being a busybody and getting in everyone's face and just piss off!

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coip says:

I will always stand up for equality, justice, and human rights. We're trying to live in a society here. Either join us, or go away. I hear they like your kind in Russia. Give it a shot.

NachoBear says:

i am NOT equal to you, it is abundantly clear that i am SUPERIOR to you.

and what the hell do you mean by "my kind" you hypocritically discriminatory barsteward? I am an individual there is nobody else of my "kind" you twat

so stand up for your fake causes 'til the cows come home, you might fool some but not me.

Society would be fine if it wasnt for you useless butthurt politically correct white knights.

I was born in Russia and the lies your USA media tell you about gay-bashing and the few youtube videos are NOT reality.

yes Russia is a traditional place and we escaped from communism so christianity and various other religions were free again to express themselves. Some express it by disliking homosexuality most dont give two shits about that and just preach love.

Without a big hoohaa by the western media and hijacking the olympics by companies like google etc who need to win "goodwill" from the liberal cattle, they are happy to trod on mother russia's name for their selfish gain.

just die already

NachoBear says:

are you a boy? did you know that not only girls have a pussy? you have a boy pussy.

gaystapo wins new words everyday just so they can feel "equal"

welcome to the new society, this is what YOU have been fighting for, so enjoy it


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coip says:

I don't use YouTube. Google sucks. Try another link. Also, try not being a misogynist and a homophobic bigot.

NachoBear says:

here you go grandpa, sorry you dont know how to use a vpn and use the internet

BldyIdt says:

Definetely interesting indeed!

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Mayur says:

Posted via the WPC App for Firefox 2.0!

mevalmvm says:

Get mini 1520 with same specification.... I will buy 2 of them :)

YES!...A 1520 with a built in stylus PLEASE!!!

LepantoESP says:

I've been wanting on such device on the WP line for quite a while. Hopefully now that WP licences are free someone, anyone, will attempt to bring stylus to WP.

ttarbuck says:

Sounds good, are there any events coming up where this could be announced?

Yeah, the Launch of Windows Blue update.

Nik Rolls says:

Windows Blue was 8.1.

Ok, the Cortana Update then

Nik Rolls says:

Ah, the one that brings windowed modern apps and the new/old desktop Start?

txDrum says:

That's coming to windows 9 I think?

Nik Rolls says:

No, it was mentioned at build as coming soon but not in Update 1. They even showed a live demo of what it looked like and how you can manage tiles on the Desktop's Start menu.

theefman says:

x86 for the ultimate flexibility, paydirt!

jmerrey says:

I hope they come up with a better docking solution for the pen than the Pro's magnet.

Idiosyncrasy says:

This. This so much. I'm lucky enough to have not lost my stylus yet, but I'll be damned if having the charging dock and pen holder be the same thing isn't a stupid idea. I love my Surface in just about every single possible way - except for the Stylus/Charger combo port.

SoloXCRacer says:

If this does extremly well at taking notes, I would buy this.

Micah Dawson says:

So would this be a surface 2 mini or a surface pro 2 mini I wonder?

They definitely need a cheaper tablet to better compete at price level.

I hope its an RT class device with a long-lasting battery and cheaper price point. Cant imagine why the desktop with full win 8 would be needed on such a small device.

The other 8 inch windows 8 tablets seem to do well battery wise.

Verkunder says:

I feel the same way. I'd love a tiny companion device to pair with my big Surface. Imagine how cheap it could be.

chrgeorgeson says:

I really think that one of the reasons it hasn't come out yet is that they decided to skip RT for this mini version and that is the reason for the delay.

Aaron M says:

I second your theory. I hope that also means Surface 3 will be x86 and based on the next Intel atom generation. I want something like the surface 2 to replace my laptop but win rt is a non starter for me. I still want visual studio, steam games, etc...

Slater_GS says:

No on so many levels.

Wait for the SP2 to become the SP3 and be closer to size of what the S2 is right now and stay away from the RT model. Just because you have no use for RT does not mean it should be put down.

I will not be happy if the mini comes only in x86 and I doubt MS would do that. If it comes in both flavors, then great, but keep the price down, battery long, thin/light, and it will be a great companion device.

txDrum says:

X86 is free on 9" and below devices now.

Price down? Check.

Bay trail gets equivalent battery life to relevant arm SoCs. Check.

It doesn't get any hotter than Tegra 4, and probably is actually cooler as A15's are actually pretty toasty.

Cherry trail is going to hugely improve on the above points. I don't see how x86 doesn't have anything that RT does.

Want to keep your kids tablet virus proof? Lock the UAC and only let them install from the windows store. Need to do work? Good thing you can still install your own programs.

The notion that RT was longer lasting than x86 died with the first bay trail tablets. Hell, even the SP2 lasts as long as the S2 in web browsing.

Novron says:

Because most every 3rd party vendor has a desktop app and there is precious little in the RT space or even if they do the desktop version is better. Sonos, iTunes, Kindle, etc...

Nik Rolls says:

Agreed. I barely miss Pro functionality on my 10.1", I highly doubt it's usable on 8".

Novron says:

Desktop works fine on an 8". Bump up the DPI scaling in display settings. That's what it's there for.

mertzi says:

Because external monitor.

mccasive says:

Microsoft is trying to avoid direct competition with the other OEMS that's why they have notoriously refused to make an Atom Surface. Anything is possible but it is very unlikely for them to make an X86,64 Surface mini, it would run Windows RT I think.

Aaron M says:

I think you are wrong there. MS sure didn't mind competing against their own partners when everyone released a first gen RT tablet. But the OEMs have abandoned RT and im thinking MS is finally doing the same. Switching from using RT to Intel atom is the only thing that explains why this device has been delayed so much. Personally I'm looking forward to a surface 3 running on the next atom CPU.

Chris_Kez says:

Maybe. I wonder if the delay isn't just them trying to figure out a way to finally remove the desktop from Surface RT.  In a recent interview with MJ Foley, Terry Meyerson just reiterated that Windows on ARM is not going away. Either way, I don't see them releasing a Surface Mini with full Windows.  Sure, all the OEMs are putting full Windows on their 8" tablets, but that's because they need to sell these devices now, and Windows RT is kind of a non-starter.  I have a Dell Venue 8 Pro and really enjoy it, but the desktop experience is not optimal.  It just doesn't fit with what MS is trying to do with tablets (or with x86 for that matter); nor does it solve any of the issues with the current 8" tablets from Dell, Lenovo, Asus, etc.

Nik Rolls says:

Windows RT has a bad name for no good reason. It's a great solution and very powerful. I think Microsoft is trying to create a killer product that puts it in a great light, and that's why it's taking a while.

If ever there's a device meant for RT I would think this would be it. If it's not RT then I think we can assume Microsoft has given up on it.

Duffau says:

Exactly what delay? It's always odd to see these posts about delays in products that haven't even been announced yet. Based on rumors? Your assumption? Where is this delay coming from?

Novron says:

Direct competition isn't Microsoft's problem.  The entire reason the Surface line exists is because OEM's refused to build a quality product.  The same thing is happenning in the 8" market right now.  OEM's want their margins so they produce plastic and rubber devices.  MS will produce a premium device if others won't.

jfivieght says:

Name your price MS

willied says:

I'm not much of a tablet guy, but I kinda want one of these.

PeadarWagon says:

Oh my god oh my god oh my god! I can't wait!

MacDaMachine says:

$300 for the 32 GB plz

cyber_k9 says:

I'd prefer less than $200 (which I've seen the Dell Venue 8 Pro go for, for a full version of 8.1)...

Novron says:

I would expect it to have Surface build quality which should automatically put it well out of the plastic and rubber venue 8 pro price range.

Chris_Kez says:

Not a chance.  I guarantee it will be priced on par with the iPad mini.

PolishHitta says:

Man.. I'm still waiting for a 12" surface pro

Mattsessions says:

Would it still function properly as a tablet since it is stated for better at taking notes rather than griding through office, or have lower end specs?

jhoff80 says:

Most likely Bay Trail Atom, which for most tasks, up to and including light Photoshop usage, would be more than adequate.


(Or I suppose ARM is a possibility, which would mean it definitely would be powerful enough for Metro apps unless they used ancient hardware like the Tegra 3 in the original Surface RT).

Novron says:

Much rather have a bay or better yet, a cherry trail. Add Wacom, Surface build quality, HD and it'll be the best on the market.

jhoff80 says:

Considering they don't expect Cherry Trail to be in devices until the end of the year, I kind of doubt it'll be that one. :D

Novron says:

End of the year... Like around Fall of this year when this tablet has been rumored to come on the market?

jhoff80 says:

From the source article:


"We have also heard from a couple of sources that it could arrive soon, as in the Spring, and this aligns to what Mary Jo Foley had heard as well. Specifically, we have heard that the mini is actually done, so it's really up to Microsoft to pull the retail switch to release the device. Knowing that, it could really come at any time, as soon as Microsoft wants to make the announcement."

Novron says:

I hope that's true.

wshwe says:

If the Surface Mini is ready it should be released immediately. There is no good reason to hold off on releasing a completely finished product.

slbailey1 says:

Unless it is tied to the purchase of Nokia!

jhoff80 says:

Again according to Neowin at least, there were supply chain issues.

Chris_Kez says:

One reason to hold off would be if they planned to improve the OS and refine the hardware/design of the existing Surface devices. I'd love to see a big event in the fall where they release Surface Mini, Surface 3 and Surface Pro 3 alongside an improved Windows RT.  

mpr says:

News on Surface 3? Just this:,81170.html

It basically says, that parts for Surface 3 are being delivered to the Manufacturers since end of 2013 and Production is supposed to start end of 2nd quarter 2014, availability probably agan around october.

Surface 4 would probably be presented mid 2015.

jfivieght says:

Heard there would be no surface 3 until Windows 9 in 2015

mpr says:

That's apparently not the case.... We'll see.

Reflexx says:

Good competition for the iPad. We have the Surface tablet/pad. Now a Mini. All that's left if for MS to start selling the Maxi.

That's exactly what I want!  Now!

Been waiting for a while on this one. Assuming the RT version is under $300, I'm buying this.

freshfelicio says:

Sounds great! I use my Surface Pro 2 all the time for notetaking.

mango.lover says:

No magnetic keyboards then?

Sweet! But what about the rumored Kinect technology?

Reflexx says:

With Cortana!

My only issue with my Surface 2 is pen support since I have been tossed into a terrible BYOD world recently. I would buy this day one!! Would prefer full Win 8 but even RT will work for me. Has so far. Especially with rt office on the way. 8 inch office must be painful as my surface 2 already feels small, looking at you Outlook.

Andygoes says:

I have an idea for the mini! Make a folio case that can hold two like a book style. Then enable the ability to share information back and forth between the two, perhaps over NFC/Bt or something. You'd just have to come up with a catchy name...maybe something like messenger, or deliverer, or carrier.

Or maybe even Courier.

jfivieght says:

Didn't Acer try this; it was a two screen foldable laptop

Just300 says:

Will be amazing

ExTrAbUtTa says:

PLEASE! Let this have pen support (like the Pro, not some dumbed down, not as accurate input)! I will buy immediately. Hopefully, it is powered by a new-Gen processor and not something from the original Surface RT. Include Office and its a winner. Pen input with OneNote on an 8-inch screen is needed.

James8561 says:

check out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Active Stylus

danwanna says:

The Venue 8 Pro stylus is terrible compared to all of the others I own. Most recently Surface Pro and Helix but I go back a few generations of TabletPCs. It doesn't track well and the pressure sensitivity is awful.  

The new stylus is fine. tracks well, I just take notes and diagram with it.

ExTrAbUtTa says:

My wife has the Dell Venue with the Active Stylus and its garbage. Sorry, but it is true. I've seen her own frustration with that pen, which leads her to use one of the Surface Pro's we have. She likes the size and weight compared to the Pro, but hates the pen. Same for me. I'd love to grab and 8-inch tablet on the go with PROPER pen input. I'm hoping MS delivers.

joeonsunset says:

The lack of a digitized pen on the Surface really sucks. I was like, what do you mean I can't take notes on his thing? The Pro is just too heavy and the battery life too short to be useful in that way. But I guess I could see myself with a mini and a surface pro 3. That way I've got easy, light, long lasting consumption tablet and a powerful device when I need it. And of course no grocery money.

nizzon says:

Production completed? How many? 1000? Where the hell is the docking station? Why will it take them another six months for them to ship it to Sweden.

Trevor Wolfe says:

If its already been produced, not sure why they wouldn't have announced it at BUILD

Maybe it will be Xbox branded and announced at E3?  MS doesn't have anything in the portable gaming department.

jhoff80 says:

It would've been terrible to announce during this year's Build.  They need developers to work on Windows Phone right now.  There's tons of new stuff for WP 8.1 apps and diluting that message (which at Build, should be directed towards developers, not consumers) would've been a terrible idea.  Plus, Microsoft has always announced Surface hardware at separate, more specific events.

pallentx says:

You know what else would be great for note taking with a stylus? A 10" Surface RT tablet!

joeonsunset says:

Crazy decision not to include it with the Surface 2. Would have really sold it to a lot of people I know. My family are Realtors and were super excited by my Surface... Couldn't wait to use it in "the field." Then they were like, oh, I really can't write on this thing...
And you just can't sell a Surface Pro form factor to people like that, they're too on the go to worry about laptop-level battery life and full-on-Windows headaches. A pen would have made Surface 2 a truly excellent device.

truthsforme says:

16:9 is a weird ratio for note taking no? In portrait mode the page is too skinny. In landscape it's too short.

James8561 says:

already am note taking just fine with Dell Venue 8 Pro and Dell Active Stylus. on full Windows 8.1

i don't need this castrated RT stuff.

MrSimmix says:


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4hab says:

I will instantly sell my Surface 2 with Touch Cover for this, should it become real. 

AccentAE86 says:

DAMN!! I was really hoping for a surface PRO mini. Display port, usb3, separate charging port, wacom digitizer, kickstand, i5 haswell/broadwell, or even an i3 would do. Dream machine.

armagezon says:

I'm waiting for a 12-13 inch Surface Pro 

NIST says:

Any news on a 6" Surface RT with a cellular radio?

LepantoESP says:

I doubt anything below 7" will get released TBH. Personally I'd love a 7 or 8" Surface, with RT.

neonspark says:

I'll rock it only as long as

1) it is LTE

2) it is x64 or x86. No stupid windows RT ARM crap.

chances of this are probably next to nothing for I know MSFT will make it wifi-only Windows RT. yuck.

I hope this is a Wacom digitizer. Would be so epic if it did. Also, no more than £200 for the base 32GB (WiFi only) version with RT and Office? If true I may be having wet dreams of this.

richard_rsp says:

I think this would be great (if available with LTE)! This is exactly what I am needing to use at the office. I tried the Dell Venue Pro 8 (and loved it), but its lack of LTE made it less useful in the field.

ceraf says:

Here's to hoping for an Intel Braswell or AMD Mullins based Surface Pro Mini as well.

paparatman says:

Hopefully it will be at least 1920x1200.

I waiting for surface 3 cause my surface pro batteries dies so fast

sdreamer says:

Hoping it'll be Atom based. Going from a Thinkpad Tablet 8 to a Surface Pro hurt in the battery department

zoombay says:

This is true.

Sent from my Surface mini

ebradley says:

Perfect for use with OneNote.

EricVM says:

"Note Pad". Cool

Waiting for this one to be my first 8 inch tablet.

Wevenhuis says:

Nice formfactor indeed. But the statement of it going to be the best tablet for note taking is far from true. I already consider my surface pro as an ideal note taking device. The major issue I am still having is that there is too much focus of the wacom stylus as a note taking gimmick. After almost 10 years of stylus support in the hard/software devices,I think its time for microsoft to put the stylus front and center. Using a stylus on in windows 8 with onenote, journal, onenote app for modern UI and myscript notes mobile are some of the best programs/apps around for this platform, but the issue I'm running into is that the best features of each app is divided among these apps, which interupts the workflow and loses to a less cohesive and productive experince. What would make the surface mini a "true" note-taking device is if they could get serious of giving the stylus some more love after more than 9 years of support of the technology and start making a single app with the best features in a coherent end-user design for stylus use and excellent ink-to text recognition for a more coherent and productive experience. Its the achilles heal after more than five years of using the stylus on windows devices that is still a concerning issue. I'm still noticing that the UI is too much mouse and keyboard layout and input oriented. Also the ink-to-text recognition needs to be more inline and direct, than pressing a translation button after the stylus writing is done. And the recognition of handwriting still needs some refinement. Microsoft should already have over 9 years of data to accomplish this. Untill that software issue is fixed properly, I see the surface mini as no more than a gimmicky toy and a waste of R&D, with little productive potential in the notetaking department.

I'm hoping the Surface 3 Pro will have a bigger screen. 12-13 inches and 4K resolution is all I'm asking, it's perfect for professionals, since that's what its geared towards anyway.

The surface 3 should remain 10 inches. It's perfect for normal users.

TechnoTim says:

Please don't be RT

truthsforme says:

Please don't be 16:9 aspect ratio

ralexand56 says:

Giving that it supports a pen, I wonder does it mean it will be x86 base. Doesn't seem like RT has the drivers etc. to support pen input.

mutant 9 says:

Here is an idea. Surface mini note cover that doubles as a type cover and writing surface.... Letting you keep the screen real-estate and making use of their concept the unveiled with the surface 2.

Benny1434 says:

Ohhh this is sounding like one sweeeeeeet device! Really looking forward to this being released. My guess is they were waiting on the touch version of Office to be done before they release it.

It would be perfect if it was running full-fat Windows 8, but I'm almost 100% sure it will run RT. Unfortunate, but not a dealbreaker.

I'm glad to hear that it has Active Stylus support. That gives it massive bonus points. It wound be nice to see a built in stylus silo. I'm salivating thinking about the possiblility of having a Touch Cover with this device!

An 8 or 8.3" full HD screen with a 16:10 aspect with the stylus support and a Touch Cover would be absolutely amazing!

LepantoESP says:

I actually would preferr RT to full Windows on a smaller device where weight and battery life are more important (to me anyway) than full-blown Windows support.

stephen_az says:

Actually, it has been rumored since the release of Surface RT and is about as real as the Easter Bunny.  While you are at it, why don't you add a quad core i7, 2160P display, 1 TB storage, free LTE, and two day constant on battery life?  It would have just as much chance of ever being real.  No this site never presents unfounded BS rumors, do you?

I'd like to know whatever happened to the 7" Xbox Surface Mini that was rumored... That thing would've been the ultimate game-changer!

drokkon says:

I've been holding off on an 8" tablet simply because of the general lack of pen input. The Dell's pen isn't a true digitizer from what I can tell, and everything else is capacitive. (Just saw the Asus 8" - not sure what that's about...) If this does have awesome pen support, I'll be sold! My wife loves her Surface RT. I'm thinking this only needs to run RT as well to make me happy - I think I'd even prefer RT.