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New policy for Google Voice means an end to MetroTalk for Windows Phone

Google just can’t seem to make friends with Windows Phone. The latest crackdown will come in May 2014 when the search giant begins to enforce its terms-of-service for its Google Voice service, barring third-party companies from making apps.

Google Voice, which used to be Grand Central before it was bought, is a one-number-service that allows users to have a single phone number to ring all of their phones—landline or cellular. It also allows users to protect their real number by giving out their Google Voice digits instead as well as send “free” text messages, since the service utilizes data.

Up until recently, third party developers could tap into the service, releasing their own apps. On Android or iOS, the demand for such solutions is quite low due to both platforms having official options for users. However, since Google shuns everything that is Windows Phone, there is no official Google Voice app for Microsoft’s OS. As a result, developers have created solutions, including the top-rated MetroTalk app to fill in the gap.

But last week, Nikhyl Singhal, who is product manager in the Google+ team, commented on the future status of the service:

“Finally, we want to make Google Voice as secure as possible. There are a few third-party applications that provide calling and SMS services by making unauthorized use of Google Voice. These apps violate our Terms of Service and pose a threat to your security, so we’re notifying these app developers that they must stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014.”

As such, the developer behind MetroTalk has posted a response, noting that as a result of Google’s new change of heart, MetroTalk will be discontinued next year:

“We are sad to announce that after a request by Google, MetroTalk will be removed from the Windows Phone store on May 1, 2014. We apologize to all our users for this but the decision is beyond our control, and in fact affects all third-party Google Voice apps. The good news is that the app will remain available and fully functional for 6 more months, and you can expect bug fix updates during that time. A huge thank you to all of our users for making us one of the top downloaded and highest rated apps of the Windows Phone store. Once again, we truly apologize to everyone affected by this.”

Indeed, it is sad to see MetroTalk get the axe at Google’s request. Even more so since we don’t know if Google will release their own solution for Windows Phone users. If Google does not, then they are once again royally screwing those on Windows Phone by denying the use of their service.

A few of us here at Mobile Nations use Google Voice due to having many smartphones on different carriers. Having “one number” to call all our phones, regardless of which we take with us, is a huge benefit to Google’s service. Without it, things will be quite difficult.

Will Google step up and finally release apps for their services on Windows Phone? There’s no sign that they will, but we’ll wait and see.

Source: MetroTalk

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mrhoodiny says:

Screw scroogle

barleyman says:

This really is a shame. Google used to be the cool service company. Not so much anymore.

Fung Kam says:

Google used to accuss Microsoft of its 'close-ness'...Now Google is repeating what MS did while MS is adopting open standard.

astraith says:

I know, right?

deluksic says:

The only thing I use google for is ytube. If they cut that too, I can see microsoft cutting skype and other products for android and that will definitely not be good for end user.

rockstarzzz says:

Nope, Microsoft wont cut anything. Scared with their 1990s suits and too much money to lose by blocking Skype. If anything it will give extra features to others first than WP.

ymcpa says:

Losing Skype customer is a real reasomn they might not do this, but the 1990 suit would not be a reason. First, they don't have a monopoly on cell phones. Second, they would be responding to actions of a competiton. Actually, Google should pay attention to the 1990's lawsuit. They are a near monopoly and the DOJ has already been investigating them on various issues.

Microsoft and apple already file a lawsuit against android saying that violating patents, so here we are ...lets see wat happens in nuclear war.....haha

msualum says:

Exactly what I don't understand. Can't blame Google - they are trying to crush WP. Get rid of the weaker competition. So why the fuck doesn't MS go after them! These are predatory acts. They are trying to eliminate competition. Their reach on the internet and tech is huge and they are leveraging that in the way ATT, MS, Standard Oil and others have. All of these were broken or fined.

npoe says:

It seems to be universally true that Microsoft can't get away with anything. If they miss or do something wrong the world goes after them, but if any other company do nasty stuff then nothing happens because they are not Microsoft.

Ezhik says:

Google doesn't have 99% of the market like Windows in the nineties - except for search maybe, but that is available on Windows Phone.

TechFreak1 says:

I think you are missing the point, all of googles moves have been to stragically disadvantage Windows Phone (clearly evident by the youtube saga), no doubt these will be coming quicker and quicker as WP share continues to rise as shown by the latest Kantar figures. Although there have been some dips, but that is given as the mobile world is not static it is extremely volatile.

Ezhik says:

Of course they are, but I just don't really see why Google would want to dedicate resources to an OS that could threaten Android's position. It sucks for the users, but you gott think from the business position.

rockstarzzz says:

4% vs 80% - you do the math of how that is threatening at all? This is Google being a real Google. "Do no evil" my ass.

Ezhik says:

Well they still see its potential I guess. But even then you're fighting a losing fight because WP isn't big enough for Google to make proper apps.

Google is a company, that's my point - they don't want to do things that would threaten them.

 

And the first post was just a reply saying that Google not is a singluar entity like the person I replied to made it out to be.

ymcpa says:

They wouldn't. Microsoft wanted to crush chrome and the other browsers as well so they could use IE as the portal to the internet. Companies act in their self interest. When a company has to much power in a market and starts using that power to undercut competition in other markets, thats when the government needs to step in an smack the company upside the head and say no.

Ezhik says:

Google doesn't owe Windows Phone its apps.

msualum says:

no - it owes those that use it's services those apps.  It is obligated to provide me with a means to access my information in any way I choose.  Be it WP8, IOS, IE, WINXP, Chrome.  This is why standards are so important and why Google wants to control all of the standards.  They are clearly a monopoly and as such needs to be regulated. 

WebColin70 says:

I'm half with you -- Google should look out for its customers, and that's why it should care about apps on other platforms, if that would help its customers. However, there is no reason for the government to get involved. If Google is screwing enough of its users, they will leave Google for friendlier pastures. One of the reasons MS is still suffering market resentment now is because of their business practices over a decade ago. Google may well be setting itself up for a similar long period of market resentment. Government involvement will only screw things up and unfairly choose favorites. Leave it up to us, the users, and the free market.

Having said that, note that another reason Google sucks is because users are not their customers. Advertisers are their customers. From that perspective, what they are doing is good for their customers -- don't let ad viewers leave the Google ecosystem, or their advertisers will reach fewer eyeballs. That's all fine and good for them, but it's one more reason why I won't use any Google products (if I can help it, I admit I still use YouTube) and I urge others to avoid them like the plague. But that's not the same as wanting the heavy hand of government to shove itself up the market's ass and start causing much bigger problems.

ymcpa says:

Microsoft had about 90%. Google, in the form of Android has over 80% of the cellphone market, around 70% of the search market, and youtube probably has over 80% of the video hosting market. Plus Google gives away products to undercut their competition and making money on the back end through advertising. Google is way more dangerous than Microsoft ever was.

Ezhik says:

I haven't really seen Google do many horrible things other than not make apps for Windows Phone and locking down APIs (you know, just like MS did with Skype)

Alex Sieben says:

Google was sued a few years ago in Europe for pricing their maps service below cost in an attempt to defeat the competition.

DFranch says:

They wouldn't enhance google maps on the iPhone to include turn by turn directions forcing apple to create it's own map system. Once apple maps came out Google updated maps to include turn by turn. The do things like that pretty regularly.

WP has the umbrella and force of Microsoft protecting it... It will continue to grow until MS says otherwise. So eventually Google will be forced to develop for it otherwise they will look like the bad guys in everyone's eyes.

Already MS and apple filed a lawsuit against google check out

astraith says:

Although I would understand MS reasons for that, I hope they don't go that low. However, if they do that and say you bring your apps to WP, then we will bring our apps back ... I would be okay with that.

rodneyej says:

I don't like Google... Well, YouTube is Awsome❕❗❕❗.. But, Google Sux...

Piro.Garay says:

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rudy can probably make it. :P

TechFreak1 says:

He probably could but it would work until the cut off date as indicated the article as the shakedown is for all third party apps.

Spice002 says:

After that, one could always reverse-engineer the service and build an app, like they did with the Google+ app.

Jas00555 says:

Every time I see Google in an article, I know that its never going to be good. Even when the Youtube app comes out, I'll see the cover picture and immediately get mad at Google lol

sqlchicken says:

Google = bag of dicks

Ankmeyester says:

bag of tiny dicks.

procen says:

bag of nano dicks!

walter1832 says:

bag of pussies

Bag of tight pussies

RackDaddy says:

Assuming you're a dude, wouldn't that be a *good* thing? 

khipara says:

Google is just an old bag.. Period. With tits up to it's knees.

KelvBlue says:

Then they can flip it to the back and wear bra like a camel!

EricMarsi says:

Thatnka for ruining it haha

radde says:

C-C-C-C-Combo breaker

amcalexandre says:

Google = shit heads

chucky78 says:

That was hilarious!

Google = big titties with no nipples.

Tyradius says:

Oooo he said google ain't got no nipples!!!

RayWP7 says:

Sigh. Looks like I need to consider whether I even need an alternative.

Tafsern says:

Then use Skype. Google is the devil.

Skype is not a viable alternative to Google Voice.

danielgray says:

If you have a skype in number,then does that not work the same or similar? Microsoft needs to step up and offer a competitive alternate service to Google voice!

Nik Rolls says:

Yeah, I haven't used Google Voice but to be fair Skype In sounds like a pretty similar solution. I have it and all my Skype devices ring at once when someone calls the number; first device to answer it gets the call.

peterfares says:

No. Not at all. In any way.

astraith says:

Skype doesn't let all your phones, landline or cellular, ring at once. And yes, MS does but that would take too long.

zikifer says:

"For your security" is the new "think of the children" - in the majority of cases, a lame excuse.

Matt Sharp says:

That's just sad. Luckily I have unlimited texting so I seldom use the service anymore. Any word on devices like obi1xo that use GVoice as a home phone solution?

psiu_glen says:

Yep, that will be broken too. Obihai posted on their site about it.

http://blog.obihai.com/2013/10/important-message-about-google-voice.html

jMawl says:

now that sucks...

sumothong01 says:

You know who possess a threat to my security......Google that's who!

John20212 says:

It's funny how everyone at google is terified of Windows Phone to such an extreme. Let those little pricks run scared we don't need them anyway.

And I hope the Rockstar Alience destroys Android through patent litigation and puts an end to Google screwing over not just consumers but patent holders as well.

 

Tragic says:

This. So hard

Aaron M says:

I don't think google is terrified of windows phone, not when android has like 80% of world wide market share. No, this is them just being pure petty and kicking Microsoft whenever they get the chance.

John20212 says:

Marketshare comes and goes, just because they have 80% now does not mean that can't all change in a few years if Microsoft plays its cards right.

 

Ayman Jaddaa says:

Actually they are, because Windows Phone is getting new smartphones owners to switch to Microsoft's operating system, which also have very cheap handsets. What good is that to Google if Windows Phone is grabbing all the new people?

By blocking Google products, they are 'trying' to grab consumers to buy their Android products. We've seen it with Instagram not being on the OS and review sites like CNET giving a low rating simply because Instagram isn't there.

If you tell a brand new customer "oh, there's no google maps, no google voice, no gmail, no youtube", they will go to Android because they're too stubborn or don't know anything about Windows Phone.

Its not market share, its cold war, apple and MS jointly filed a law suit for banning android

Ezhik says:

Because every single engineer at Google wanted this.

Jazmac says:

The most CLOSED open source ever.

stumpy1570 says:

Google is open....right. They are skynet!!!

rockstarzzz says:

Just watched that movie last night!

andrew1967 says:

Google, you can kiss my BING.

terrokkinit says:

Skype is your better alternative here, anyway. Google...I used to love your company. But your business practices in lieu of this are just unreasonable, petty, and bullish. I don't support bullying!

thzman says:

I agree. I used to think that Google was the cool alternative to Apple. Not so much anymore. I'm glad I made the switch. :)

ricardios says:

Will it work in IE on the phone?

If it works now, I don't see why it wouldn't after this since you're directly connecting to their servers via the internet. I doubt they'd be able to block Internet Explorer specifically, especially since that would probably prevent the desktop version from accessing them as well (that's just a guess since I've heard that the two versions of the program are pretty similar).

Nik Rolls says:

They can detect mobile vs desktop, so they could block it if they wanted like they downgraded Google Maps on WP earlier this year.

brorim says:

Who cares ???

toph36 says:

Daniel...  I don't use Google Voice, or anything Google besides YouTube videos accessed via links from sites like WPCentral.  However, it would be an interesting article comparing Google Voice to Skype.  What does Google Voice have that Skype doesn't?  Since Skype is like Netflix, in that it can be found on almost every platform and form factor (albeit with varying degrees of functionality), why wouldn't Skype be the better alternative?  Whatever the perceived gaps, I hope they can fill those gaps to give people a better choice than Google Voice.

I care, and I cannot believe how google is closing all windows/phone doors and it is so "open" with iOS.

The excuse for market share is starting to expire, so what are they going to say?

Dave Bhullar says:

Wouldn't Skype work as an alternative?

I can't see why not. You can even get a Skype #, but it cost about $5 a month I think. Skype to Skype is still free though...

John20212 says:

Microsoft should make a skype number free and use the google voice shut down on WP as a great marketing opportunity for both Skype and WP.

 

 

WebColin70 says:

This is a great marketing opportunity for MS. I hope they take it. They seem to be afraid of doing anything but low-profile web campaigns... unless they're comparing to Apple. Google is a far more despicable and dangerous adversary than Apple -- Apple just wants to make the products it wants and then hopes that lots of people will want to use them. Google is actively trying to cause problems for its users if they happen to also be Windows users in the hope that they will side with Google and ditch MS altogether.

John20212 says:

Well I ditched Google alltogether; hope others do the same and then we can laught how that brilliant strategy of alienating users worked out for them in five years time.

 

Sean D. says:

They need people to use their services to get paid. That's why they are so quick to buddy up to apple. But apple has been trying to eliminate the need for the users to rely on google services. That's (one reason) why apple maps was so bad. They rushed it.

guillams says:

If Microsoft offers the free number to WP users, and others things exclusively to his platform users they can get a big advantage of this! And more people can migrates to WP!

Offering WP users a free Skype number would be awesome. I think it costs me $60/year right now. I use it specifically to forward numbers. Minutes still would cost so the bean counters would be happy.

Google, why do you have to be so darned stupid?

Knew this was coming. I used to use metroTalk on wp7...

eric12341 says:

Anti trust and anti competition, where's the lawsuits?

neo158 says:

Not to mention Tax evasion in the UK!!

Sean D. says:

I don't know much about the law in this regard, but I have been wondering the same things for a while too.

Nik Rolls says:

I guess you can't stop them making their API private again. It's not really anti-competitive because they also block any third-party apps on Android, iOS and Desktop.

neo158 says:

The difference is though that Google Voice has official clients for Android, iOS and Desktop but Windows Phone doesn't!!

Nik Rolls says:

Oh yes, I completely agree there. I'm just commenting on whether it could be considered anti-competitive. In this case we simply see lack of support for a smaller platform, rather than outright blocking one platform specifically.

WebColin70 says:

Right. Google is terrible. I boycott as many of their features as I can (basically everything except YouTube and the Terrain topographic view on Google Maps -- as far as I know, Bing doesn't yet support a contour lines view for altitudes), but that's not the same as saying I want various world governments to start meddling. They'll just be picking one business to win over another, and that's far worse than anything Google is doing.

MDboyz says:

What is google voice anyway :) ? ...

I even stopped posting on youtube, 'cuz they forced me to sign up for google+ service.

mayur89 says:

Fuck u google!!!!

xmarklive says:

I will be google free by that time... I suggest everyone do the same. I only have Gmail for all the non important emails, but since its non important I shall delete it.

neo158 says:

I'm almost completely Google free, just need to transfer some services from Gmail to my Outlook.com address and then it's bye bye Google!!

Luminatic says:

Well, I got rid of my Gmail address a while ago. And now that Bing is finally out of beta in my country, it will hopefully become better. Regarding Google voice - I've never heard of it (not even sure what you can do with it), so there will be nothing to be missed for me.

neo158 says:

I couldn't edit my first post but I'm now google free, just transferred the last of my accounts from my gmail address!!

Metallinatus says:

Funny how opposite poles have similar thoughts .-.

From Microsoft I only have Hotmail for all the non important emails and that godamn Skype because friends.... but once I can get rid of it I will delete my Hotmail in a second as well .-.

AccentAE86 says:

Every time I hear about Google, it gets worse and worse.  I used to like them but now I hate them.

 

F-U Google a bazillionjillion times

 

 

piaqt says:

^^ So much for"transparency.

Just don't mention Google on WPCentral any longer. I don't use Google for anything. Don't need them.

swizzlerz says:

Scrogle no its screwgoogle!!! I have been discontinuing my use of google and will be google free by year end!

db4williams says:

Me too, in fact, I've switched all of my browsers to run Bing. The final straw for me was when they started to filter out anything to do with knives and guns from shopping searches. (some of my other hobbies include target shooting and knife collecting).

db4williams says:

Google=douche bag

EricMarsi says:

Anyone know if this will block DIY PBX servers

Goddamnit!!!!!

The one service without a comparable alternative!  Now what the hell are we supposed to do?

I'm sure as hell not switching to an Android phone now!

 

 

Why is Skype not a viable alternative?

Skype is a video-calling/VoIP service.

GV is a visual-voicemail, phone call management system.

 

They're not even the same type of service, apples to oranges.

weaverly says:

I thought that as well, Euell, until recently. Skype does have a lot more features now, though I'm not sure it's a direct alternative to every feature of Google Voice.

Here: http://www.skype.com/en/features/

Luminatic says:

Why not just not usw it anymore? I've never even heard of google voice ... What's so special about it that it will be missed do much?

drozdpatrick says:

Go after carriers, like at&t for lying about "unlimited" data plans!

marantaz says:

Can't miss what you never had.

TheSuperShoe says:

Looks like a new market for someone to create this service without discrimination to platform...

Luminatic says:

Hm ... Am I the only one who has never heard of that Service?

Luminatic says:

What's so funny about it? It was a serious question, as reading this article actually introduced me to the fact that this service exists. M
Meanwhile, I've ecen asked some friends, and none of them has heard about it. (I'm in Switzerland btw).
I wonder if Google voice is one of those services that is only widespread in certain areas.

rahul.sharma says:

Sorry I by default thought you are from US. You are right this service is basically popular in US thn anywhere else.

Luminatic says:

No worries, thanks for your feedback.
Just saw my comment is full of typos. I shouldn't comment before my first coffee. Sigh.

bilzkh says:

You know what Microsoft can do? ... It can come out with a similar service and make it available in places beyond just the US, e.g. Canada, UK, Australia, South Africa, India, Mexico, France, Germany, etc!

Prensescim says:

Google is in the drivers seat and they know it. But you know, what comes around goes around. You play dirty and eventually you get yours. Too bad there isn't some alternative for WP8 google voice users... Hang in there WP8ers!!

radde says:

I can live just fine without that Voice thingy. I have the feeling Skype just does exactly the same, although not for free. I've a Skype number and all my devices are ringing as soon as somebody calls that number and SMS are also possible as well as voicemailbox - So screw google.

I would only wish there would be a similar popular online video service like Youtube and I could get rid of Google all together. Sadly Vimeo is only used by people putting up portfolio stuff, no shows or live feeds on that platform, but so much better video quality than YT. :-/

guillams says:

What Microsoft can do with Skype is offer same service and free SMS to WP users, so then nobody gonna miss Google voice!

NutmegState says:

Try https://vimeo.com/ as an alternatives

The YouTube music awards did not do so well.  Only 220,000 viewers.  It was a big Google flop!

 

Skype to Skype is free.  You only pay if you need the premium features or want to call Cell Phones or Landlines directly.

If you simply want to call friends, you can do so via WiFi and Skype all for free.  I call my family in Italy all the type with Skype via broadband data and it costs me nothing except my broadband connection.

Sean D. says:

Isn't Daily Motion just about the only real YT alternative?

guillams says:

If Bing start to be more useful out of USA (specific Dominican Republic), then I can say bye bye to google's services forever!

TechFreak1 says:

Yeah, Bing is somewhat lacking in that department, when you press the search key you get only a static search page however if you change your browsing and search region to US, you get a panaroma view, news, deals, access to movie listings etc.

guillams says:

I already did it, but useless without local search, plus less results like google here!

lcw731 says:

This can't be top secret technology. Why doesn't Microsoft just flip google the bird on this and introduce their own version?

Sean D. says:

There probably isn't real concrete proof that such a thing would benefit them. There are no numbers that suggest it anyway. A few people online ranting doesn't equate to profit.

If what GV offers were built into Skype that would make damn good sense though.

T Moore says:

Rockstar, going after Google

rockstarzzz says:

No I have given up. I just don't want to have anything to do with Google.

sumton says:

i never used it before ... i won't miss a thing

kayldera says:

Disclaimer: I own a Nokia 920 and greatly enjoy WP8.

Now that that is out of the way, I feel like a lot of people are being disengenuous in this particular instance. Google is cracking down on all thrid party google voice apps, not just the ones on windows phone.

Matt Sharp says:

The difference is Google builds first party apps for IOS and Android. There is zero first party support for WP8 thus the third party apps are necessary.

mister2d says:

Sounds like you need more context.

Sean D. says:

Seeing google do stuff like this always makes me laugh at them. No matter what they or anybody else thinks, if it weren't for MS, and the number of PC users out there google wouldn't even exist. They have grown to what they are today by being a tech 'remora' attaching itself onto the side of a great white shark called Microsoft.

Bunch'a assholes.

Am I the only one thinking what might happen next to those third-party YouTube apps?

NutmegState says:

@Daniel Rubino,

How is Skype not a good alternative?

- Skype to Skype calls
- Calls to mobiles and landlines
- Group calls
- Skype Number
- Forward calls
- Caller ID
- Instant messaging
- Send texts (SMS)
- Voice Mail
- Available on just about any platform

I have been using Skype since before it was purchased by Microsoft and I never once thought about using Google Voice.

I think Microsoft should have commercials showing all the things you can do with Skype.  I think the whole product is under promoted.  This would be a great FU to google
 

Tjarren says:

Price.  GV is free.

neo158 says:

Skype is free and available worldwide, you only pay for premium features and skype calls to mobiles and landlines!!

Tjarren says:

With GV, calls use whatever minutes you have on your cell plan or none if you call from your computer using Gmail voice chat, so there is no premium cost.

They're not the same kinds of services.

NutmegState says:

@Tjarren,

Fair enough, but you are paying.  If they are taking minutes or you are paying $2.99/month you are paying.  The $2.99/month gives you unlimited minutes in the USA or Canada + plus you can do voice chat.

If you look at it, you get much more with Skype for $3/month

While I understand that with GV it is an on demand thing, you are still paying but only as much as you use.

However, if you consider how much your minutes cost you, and you are doing enough calling via GV, Skype will put you ahead.  If it is just once and while type of thing, you may be right, GV could be better.

My family is sprawled across the USA so I find value in Skype and I use it for work too since we have so many employees off shore.

IMHO, the services are the same but have different payment models

 

Tjarren says:

Ok, after spending more time on Skype's site there is NO WAY I can recreate the value of GV there.  And, for the record, this is not a slight to Skype at all.  I know it's a great service, but this is really comparing apples ot oranges.

Let me explain:  no matter what, I cannot receive or send text messages with Skype without paying a per-text rate.  That's a deal breaker right there.  If I were to sign up for a Premium account ($10 a month for me), I still wouldn't get that.  Plus I would still have to pay for voice on my cell phone plan.  So if I dropped GV and went with Skype, I would have to get a texting plan added to my service (another $10-20/m) and need to sign up for Premium ($10/m or $60/y) just to get the same services I currently experience.  And I would have to get yet another number and people would have to keep up with both to contact me by phone or text.  And, to be honest, it's not even that cut and dried.

Skype and GV are not attempting to do the same thing, thus they are not interchangeable.  I just spent another half hour on Skype's site to reiterate something that I already knew.

SirThoreth says:

Which, as I was just so subtly reminded today as we Windows Phone Google, if you're not the one paying for a product, you're not the customer.

 

That said, one of the stumbling blocks why I personally haven't gone with Skype is that I haven't wanted to change my phone number, and Skype, while they can port numbers out, can't port numbers in.

mister2d says:

I know you guys want to shoehorn Skype being viable, but the two services are used differently.

The draw with GV is having a free phone number and the ability to have incoming calls to that number forward to one or many other phones (round robin).

Other things like caller block, spam, and friend groups are there too. I know I'm missing a few other notable features.

NutmegState says:

Skype has all the features you listed, what else are you missing?

 

mister2d says:

Skype isn't free with all those features, correct?

It's also missing transcribed e-mails on the web portal or it being e-mailed to you.

Also, is there a skype.com website that gives you all that functionality in your browser?

neo158 says:

You're missing one critical point that I made earlier though!!

This is just bad ...why is google behaving like this

pmhgeneral says:

No longer interested in any thing google any more, I could understand YouTube users which I am not, never used their services email,calendar and so on.
Good By google.

Google is a joke - a BAD one, at that.

david90531 says:

I think the best alternative right now is ICQ, i didn't know the app support gtalk and fb chat as well. Working nicely including notifications and file sharing

xyronaut says:

Ha, I didnt even know if ICQ still exists. The last time I used their service was like more than a decade ago. Reminds me of the geocities & mIRC era :)

Dazzi says:

This doesn't affect me in the slightest, as Skype fills all my needs.
Furthermore, I only have a google account for University, as it's used for proof of Identification for me to get discounted products from Microsoft etc.

Freak google let them cut off everything the more we use our services the more richer we grow with them same with google but Microsoft is not stupid enough to cut off services so we grow more but MS improve this shit a more often rather then rushing to make apps for the iPad make our windows phone and windows 8 apps and OS overhauled that store needs way more improvements like wtf they doing

Diego Rico says:

I already submitted by refund request for the $1.99 I paid for the ad-free version. Oh well, it was a decent app while it lasted. Windows Phone 8 Support says I should receive my refund within 72hrs.

aitt says:

I'm not asking for a refund. This isn't the dev fault and he worked hard to create a great functional app. I'm letting him keep it cause he greatly deserved it. Not gonna penalize him for Google.

Dazzi says:

True talk aitt -- I salute you.

Dazzi says:

This is the exact reason why I've stopped buying 3rd party apps -- I just feel sorry for the developers who are trying to earn a second income in there spare time.

rahul.sharma says:

Same here not going for refund...being developer myself I don't see devs fault here....

aitt says:

What a major blow for me personally. I use GV as my one stop number for voice mail and not give my number out to people like on Craiglist. Its been very useful for communication and having a one source number for. All my voice mail get sent to vmail and accessed thru Metro Talk. This wouldn't even be an issue if they developed for WP. Despite the harsh hate for Google on here I personally still rely on their services. I hope it doesn't force me back to android. Fuuuuu may just have to look into other resources.

brmiller1976 says:

At this point, if you're still using Google services, you deserve to get Scroogled. This was an obvious next step.

I agree. Its clear how big of an asshole Google really is being with WP and they will do anything to stunt its growth and shun its users. If you still want to deal with those cunt's services, then you really need to get an Android. Its simple as that. Just know that you are being bullied and abandoning what you want (presumably a WP) to go to Android is exactly what the choads want you to do.

aitt says:

But yet people talk about MS should closed down their system and do the same? Pretty stupid if you ask me. I like google services. Shouldn't be forced to have to need an Android. I mean this comment is pretty ignorant because iPhones users do not require an Android phone to want to use Google services.

neo158 says:

How is it ignorant, Google create apps for their services on iOS but they don't for Windows Phone!!

WebColin70 says:

No, voting with your wallet is the best way to send a message and influence companies. In Google's case, because they don't sell directly to users, all they want is your personal data and eyballs so they can sell them to their advertisers. Therefore, we (as users) have far less influence with Google, than with Apple or MS. Further, because Google is doing this mainly to hurt and slow adoption of Windows Phone, the only recourse can be against Google. There is nothing MS or the third party app-developer can do to prevent this. The only logical option if you don't want this to happen (even if you like Google overall) is to stop using Google services until Google relents and allows support on Windows Phone.

chadwick611 says:

So tired of goggles b.s.

m4tthall says:

Seriously, had enough of Google now, I have managed to switch pretty much everything to some other service, just need a good alternative to Picasa now.

Sean D. says:

SkyDrive...?

Or do you mean the desktop client?

Wevenhuis says:

Oh Google!

But Microsoft has been more friendly lately making office and inenote available for other platforms. Surely Google can be more courteous?

TLJack64 says:

This is getting beyond old. I love the wp8 operating system but I also use quite a few google services and am not interested in having an android phone. Google is becoming more and more irritating with each passing day.

flyinion says:

You know, Google Voice was the one thing I was worried about in my plan to jump from Android on Verizon to WP on AT&T.  Then I realized something.  The only reason I even use the service is for the free texting because I'm too cheap to go above the 250 texts plan for $5 that I have on Verizon and for the free visual voicemail (of which their translations to text suck royally) because again Verizon charges you for that.  With AT&T I'll have unlimited texting due to their new plans that come with unlimited text & voice anyway and AT&T also includes visual voicemail as part of the plan if I remember correctly.  

 

The only thing I'd be left without is to have that unified number for everyone to call (which I've never really given out anyway except for craiglist ads because it IS easy to perma-block numbers with it).  Even then I'm not so sure you can't still use the number for people to call you on because you can give it your home phone, why not a cell?  Home phone you just have to enter some little code when it calls the number to verify it when you add it.  I'm assuming it should work the same on a cell without a google voice app.

Tjarren says:

You really make Verizon sound awful ...

drozdpatrick says:

Thought I was slick moving from t-mob. to at&t. But lost ability to send attachments by SMS, and want a google alt. app to get what I had w/ tmob. Appologies to jump!

tgr42 says:

Microsoft should step up and offer this functionality.  Right now I pay two separate fees for a Skype subscription and a Skype number, yet Skype still charges an additional per-message fee for SMS.  Meanwhile I pay Google nothing and get unlimited SMS for free!

drozdpatrick says:

Won't get these + guys to go along with the right thing, just f google this & google sucks that!

rahul.sharma says:

I won't blame Google this time though I really need Google Voice as this is my daily driver. First only we in US are most affected by this. Second, MS has Skype that can be way better solution then GV IF only MS can step up their game.
Do following and stop being so greedy....
Below we already have, only needs to be free or enhanced...
1) Make Skype Number free
2) Make Skype SMS free
3) Skype voicemail with visual VM
4) Ring and allow forward to multiple phones
5) Provide a good web interface to manage all this
6) Integrate all this deep in the WP, Win8
MS your turn and no need to fight just tell us what should we expect from you.

Tjarren says:

Agree, but that IS a lot of stuff there ...

rahul.sharma says:

Yeah, and I just want Skype and MS to think that they are one company. I have no problem paying Skype....infect I have Skype US $30 and Skype Number $30.
Sorry, I just realized that I am using both of these Skype paid features free through Bing Rewards :)

Tjarren says:

Oh reeeeeally.  Enlighten me, please, on how Bing Rewards gets you free Skype usage.  I use Bing a ton and have used a lot of rewards for Amazon and XBL gift cards.

rahul.sharma says:

There is Skype credits that you can use for bing points. You get 60 ($1.46) min for I think 90 bing points but over the year you can definitly accumalte enough for Skype US and Number.

http://www.bing.com/rewards/redeem/000100000015?meru=%252f

 

philxor says:

I agree, I recently signed up for Skype to speak with some colleagues from overseas and was sort of apalled at the lack of features it offers versus Google Voice even though it has been around for a long time.  

 

drozdpatrick says:

All with option to opt in and I'm in.

How is this different from Microsoft killing all third-party Skype applications starting in December?

rockstarzzz says:

Microsoft has first party Skype on ALL platforms. Google doesn't have ANY support on WP and hence third party are essential! Third party Skype clients are useless when Skype itself is so much better than even on WP itself!

neo158 says:

I suppose you have proof?

SIMONator24 says:

You can replace metrotalk by IM+, and select google talk. You can also add skype, yahoo, facebook and more to IM+.

mister2d says:

Skype isn't free with all those features, correct?

It's also missing transcribed e-mails on the web portal or it being e-mailed to you.

Yes, today you can. But can you come May 2014?

kalel16 says:

Try Voxofon...Available on all platforms. It's the best alternative to GV if not better... If you use GV for international calling then Voxofon is the best

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/cheap-international-calls-sm...

 

And you used to be able to use a SIP adapter (or software) to connect directly into google voice for VOIP service, thus not requiring another phone number somewhere else, until google bought and integrated Gizmo5.  that was the end of that great feature.  now you have to subscribe to someone elses service just to use google voice.  how uselessis that.

 

KickAssLumia says:

They (Google Hangouts) will not be missed. I heart skype. At-least microsoft has a decent product that competes in the same space. Youtube on the other hand, is still a negative for us WP folks. If only Microsoft would buy Vimeo. Its the only site that is of higher quality and offers a better experience than Youtube that I can think of.

drozdpatrick says:

G.P. then we could have leverage when dealing with these pirraha. We'd see how quickly they'd take third party app to replace viveo.

enzom09 says:

Just deleted my google+ and YouTube accounts. Will next delete my Gmail once I transfer accounts over, so far just did it for bank, newegg, and some other sites. Screw you google.

Super2online says:

Gotta love Google, its not done, till it won't work on Windows Phone!

Mark Richey says:

That's the smell of fear.

 

Apple has taken decades to nurture their loyal customer base. While Apple is not necessarily winning any prizes overseas, the US is their primary market. They may lose 2-4% but I find it doubtul that they will ever dip below 19-20% market share.

 

But Google's base is a little more fluid and immature. The folks on Android came from feature phones or other platforms and may well move back. The eco system is not nearly as developed. They stand the chance to lose far more.

 

And here comes Windows Phone. Superior hardware in many cases, much fresher UI than iPhone and Android. And they are gaining customers from feature phones and other platforms to augment their die-hard loyal user base. Enterprise is coming on board, and what was just reported? Nokia is the 4th largest OEM in the US when just a few months ago the death knell was being rung for Nokia in the US. Many European markets showing double-digit growth year-on-year, and while Kit Kat is being released now, in a few weeks Windows Phone will have its third major update this year, and a refresh in the spring.

 

The 20% in Apple are going nowhere. It is the soft underbelly of Android that is the most vulnerable to an alternative OS. So do all you can to hobble the newer platform so you can say, "Yeah, but they don't have Google Voice, Maps, Mail, You Tube..."

 

What they forget is that Windows already has a strong foothold in enterprise and thus far no real competition to Office. As integration moves forward, Windows Phone is a much more stable platform and positioned to take an undisputed 3rd place and potentially become the second largest OS.

drozdpatrick says:

Who are you kidding? Unless ms can't sit down, there're not going to be content with two, but nice try though. How about the enemy of my enemy...

Mark Richey says:

To quote you: "Who are you kidding?"

 

We've all seen this before. Nokia is an example. Blackberry another. Even Windows Mobile. The larger they become, the harder they will fall, and it is foolish to think Google won't suffer the same fate. Especially with their kill or be killed mentality and their childish taunts through cutting services to what they say is but a tiny slice of their user base.

 

Ask yourself, "Why does Google even bother?" If the derision of WP8.x is such that they think the platform is going nowhere, then why bother?

 

It isn't just that they aren't producing native apps for Windows 8 and Windows Phone. They are actively trying to screw with their long-term compatibility with these items. From the hurdles to mail, the YouTube debacle, now this, they are actively messing with Microsoft.

 

The sad thing is, they basically are not only screwing Microsoft (say what you might about how MS might deserve it). But they are actively giving users of their services, like me, the finger. They are grinding it into my eye, showing complete disdain for my choices. They obviously don't want my business.

 

It is petty in the short term and fool-hardy in the long term.

ArgonNJ#CB says:

If you are a heavy user of Google services, Windows Phone isn't for you.  Google seems hell bent on not supporting WP in any way shape or form.  

pr0phecy says:

Simple. Stop using Google services. Like right now. Google shmoogle.

kalel16 says:

Try Voxofon...Best alternative to Google voice for making International Calls and is available on all platforms.

http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us/store/app/cheap-international-calls-sm...

 

drozdpatrick says:

Heard it sucks, no need with voice so good that ms sits on Skype as non alternative to itself. Slow old man network w/ new toy.

Williams_810 says:

In between what Google has been doing with YouTube, in terms of the site itself; the Microsoft made application that they shunned so rambunctiously; and this recent uncovering that's now putting what could be (in my mind) another good Windows Phone application out of the market in the foreseeable future, I am seriously starting to bemoan Google and virtually every little thing they have to offer. The things that they are doing should be considered atrocious by everybody in the tech community, not just the Microsoft community. Now, I don't know about the next person but I'm thinking about ridding myself of any service I have with Google to show that as a consumer I'm not taking their shit anymore.

drozdpatrick says:

Let Obama take it (google) over and you can see your service freefall from you. WP needs to improve viable option (Skype). to compete! Blame ms, not google!

WebColin70 says:

Look, I agree that if the government gets involved, we all lose. However, there is no rational way you can say that this is MS's fault. Google is actively (maybe understandably for protecting their advertising base) trying to hurt Windows Phone and scare even their own users away from it. MS is doing a good to keep Skype advancing rapidly and ever improving the integration with Windows Phone. It sounds like they could benefit from some changes to the Skype business model, but as others have pointed out, Skype really serves a different purpose from Google Voice. I would love to see MS add a direct competitor to Google Voice as a response to this move, but whether they do or not, MS is not the bad guy here. Not at all.

Williams_810 says:

I agree with you, WebColin70.

Bratnikola says:

Bye bye google! All of my family is moving to Windows Phone. If you don't want us, I don't want you...

JDBROWN64 says:

Shame on Google Voice because they discriminate against ADA laws. We need voicemail to text.. Thank you!

wehtam721 says:

While I agree that it would be nice to see Microsoft counter the removal of third party support for Google Voice with improvements to Skype, I think the most interesting line of the article actually comes from Google.

 

"...stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014."

 

I would ask google the following: transition users to what?  They're implying that third party app developers should encourage users to move to the official app.  Hold Google and their product manager accountable to this statement and require them to provide the app to which we can transition.  How can we transition (even with the best of intentions) if we're not being left an option?  As it's currently stated, no WP developers can actually comply completely with the request as they have no way of transitioning their users to the official app.

 

I realize this is precisely what google is avoiding.  I'm just pointing out that, at least for WP, their request is nonsensical and that, phrased as it is, there should be some way to hold them accountable for providing a means of transition.

They mean transition users to a new voip back end that's not Google Voice.

Should of known. Only Google service that I really use and now it will be shut down for me. On the bright side, no more need for Google!

DJCBS says:

I like Google, and Android, and I have no crusade against the folks at Mountain View (what I hate about Google is the same I hate about Microsoft, so...)

And I think they're right in wanting to protect the security of their services...HOWEVER...if "security" was a real reason for this, then they should start by taking a severe look at Android's marketplace. Clean it up, implement an efficient app scanning system to prevent malware and alikes. THEN you can do these sorts of things.

Though honestly...come 2014, if everything goes as some wish it goes, Google will probably not have to worry about any competition from WP at all. Maybe then they'll bring their apps for those still on WP to make money out of that.

SwimSwim says:

I don't even use Google Talk, but I must say, this is ridiculous. Microsoft doesn't even have a competing service, hell, they even have Google Voice integration on Outlook!!! Windows Phone and Android are competitors, Bing and Google Search are competitors. However, just because they're competing in that field. Doesn't mean Google has to screw over all their loyal Google Voice users.

Ridiculous, just ridiculous. There are more than likely some people whose only Microsoft product is Windows Phone, and use Google for everything else. Now because Google wants to throw a hissy fit due to Windows Phone slowly rising through the rank, they do nothing but hurt their loyal customers. I was actually looking into Google Voice, but with this news, guess not...

EDIT: Oh yeah, it just occurred to me that Microsoft has Skype, so I guess they are competing. Still, my point stands: Google is hurting loyal users just because they don't like Windows Phone and Windows 8. They gain nothing from it other than screwing over those trying to use Google products and services.

Tjarren says:

This is terribly ironic situation for me.

Loss of Google Voice functionality will cost me more money and a lot of hassle.  It really is the only Google service that I've bought in completely to and saw the benefits of.  I've committed to a GV number and have basically told all my friends and relatives around the country that this is my forever number.  There is no other service out there that can replace it properly (and no, for the hundredth time, Skype ISN'T the same).  Really a shame, unless Google decides to make a fully featured official GV app.  I'm sure it won't be as fantastic as Metrotalk has been, but at least it'd be better than nothing.  Here's to hoping.

So, out of frustration, I should turn my back on Google completely, right?  Well Thursday I get Google Fiber activated in my home.  I'm extremely excited about and it will be a HUGE improvement on what I have now (Clear).

So yes, the love/hate relationship with Google is currently at an all time high in my life.  Such an abusive relationship ...

drozdpatrick says:

Buy Skype, cheapskate, and change your #! And oh yeah, stop crying about something you don't pay for.

wangsa86 says:

Lame @$$ google, what's next?? Blocking the use of gmail on windows phone???? I better save my contacts on my live e-mail

VinchRiel says:

Google hate WP, because they wont outlook biger than gmail 'spy/ads', they wont IE biger than boring chrome, they wont bing biger than google 'spam' search, n defenatly they wont wp bigger than superlagdroid... Hahaha..

chmun77 says:

Frankly speaking, I don't care if Google is evil or lame, nor do I pity MS with its Windows Phone. As a consumer, if Windows Phone continue to get so much restrictions when using it, I will go back to Android for sure.... With Android improving leaps and bounds, WP is really having hard time catching up, even without such tactics from Google.

MattyBoy83 says:

Samsung wont be using Android soon, they're developing their own OS.

chmun77 says:

I prefer Nexus phones than TouchWiz. And if their new OS can be a threat to Android, then MS may need to be pull up their socks fast.

deloa84 says:

I wouldn't say "leaps and bounds"...

chmun77 says:

When compared to Windows Phone, which can't even have a proper and simple file management, it is leaps and bounds with the enclosed OS.

neo158 says:

Windows Phone won't have a file manager for two reasons:

1. The sandboxing security model makes a file manager impossible to implement.
2. It isn't Android!!

MattyBoy83 says:

The problem for Google is that Samsung wont be using Android for much longer, as they develop Tizen. They wouldn't be developing Tizen if they had no strategy behind it to use it as a platform. Without Samsung, Android is nothing. So what will Google do then?

techiez says:

Without Samsung, Android is nothing, but then without android, samsung is also nothing.

and google can start mass producing nexus phones and still retain most of the marketshare. and Samsung brought bada based wave series and it failed I dont see Samsung moving over to tizen completely, they will probably use it for low end or some other Niche category, nobody leaves neglects their bread & butter.

kurtd says:

Google voice sux anyway. I used to use it when I had a pos android phone. I tried metrotalk and it's great but I don't use it much anymore. Google = trash

VinchRiel says:

Google = super lag n bad ui...

chmun77 says:

hahaha.... pity you.

neo158 says:

He's right though, you do realise this is Windows Phone Central don't you?

If you hate Windows Phone that much then don't bother spouting your hate here!!

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