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Nokia goes green, teases upcoming Mobile World Congress Android reveal

Tomorrow is Valentine’s Day. In fact, that’s already now for some of you in Australia, Thailand and elsewhere. So while the world goes red, it’s curious to see various Nokia social media pages go green.

Is this some new ecofriendly push by the Finnish company? Or could it foretell a looming announcement coming February 24 in Barcelona?

Indeed, if you look at the media invite for Mobile World Congress, where Nokia is giving an early-morning press conference, it’s green, green, green. The tag line ‘Meet us under the tree’ is also thought to mean something, though we have a feeling this isn’t some tree hugging solar panel announcement for our phones.

Nokia is expected to announce the Nokia X aka ‘Normandy’ in Spain in just 10 days. That device will feature a forked-version of the Android OS powering their low-end hardware. Think the Lumia 520 with even less memory. While the device won’t appeal to the current Android glitterati, it will certainly make waves in the tech press, even if it’s really a non-story. More on that tomorrow.

The Nokia X is expected to run a full suite of Microsoft services, including Skype, Bing and Outlook, in addition to some Nokia software running on a non-Google approved version of Android. Could this ‘going green’ color change be related? We have it on good authority that this worldwide green-out is just that.

But let us ask Lloyd from our sister site, Android Central, what he thinks...

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shaskell724 says:

Interesting! I wonder how this android version will be on Nokia and how it'll do. 

lubbalots says:

You read the specs. Nothing special.

stjimmie says:

Its not about the specs, its about Nokia having an android mobile, ill be getting one.

lubbalots says:

I'm sure you're very excited. For me, it just doesn't make sense. You make the cheapest WP 520 so popular, now you make this. Its best to stick to your guns and improve on it.

FeedTheShark says:

Well this is actually going to be even cheaper than the 520. Personally I'd have liked a 420, 320.... but I suppose opening up to Android gives Nokia, HERE and MS apps a bigger market so. Certainly Android is better than continuing with Asha.

lubbalots says:

How much cheaper. 520 only costs 99$ off contract.

FeedTheShark says:

Well it's another story over whether this phone will come to America or if it is intended more for emerging markets and places where cost is more of an issue. For some people 99$ is too much, even shaving 20$ off that could make a difference. But if this is 50$ then who wouldn't pick up one just to play around?

lubbalots says:

$100 in Vietnam.

$99 or $79, doesnt really matter, at least in Brazil.

Here both would still go on stores for at least $180 after taxes and big profit from stores.

In the meanwhile you can get a chinese droid for about $50 AFTER profit from stores (and no taxes!)

People would pay the extra $40(here) to get a Lumia 520, but the Normandy will fail.

FeedTheShark says:

Why do the stores charge so much more for these devices? People just paying for brand?

Well I think a lot of people (unfortunately) would be prepared to pay less for Android. It's not like there aren't millions of people paying more for it.

4look4rd says:

They don't. The problem is that they are heavily taxed. Nearly 50% of the costs are straight up taxes, retail in Brazil operates at extremely low margins specially at big box stores like Walmart, Magazine Luiza, and Casas Bahia. Right now its selling for R$499 (which is equal to USD$209). Seems to be about the same as the price in the US + ridiculous tax. 

kurotsuki says:

Well, how does Asha priced in your country? Because I never heard you guys talk about Asha before. IMO, with it's current state, X is what Nokia sees as Asha replacement, which of course, will not attract those who already use Android, iOS, or even WP. But for current Asha users, this might be compelling enough. Specially the specs is higher than current Asha devices.

MrDaedra says:

People who buy Asha don't care about the specs. They just buy a feature phone.

kurotsuki says:

You right. They don't. But if someone actually try X and spread the news that X is faster than Asha, I bet a lot of users will jump in and try it. True, they don't care with specs. But they (like us too) do care about UX.

FeedTheShark says:

Well you can get Asha phones here in the UK. People don't talk about it much here cos it's WPCentral, not NokiaCentral (even if it does sometimes feel that way). If they price these the same as they do Asha phones, then they are offering people smart phones for the price of feature phones; and fighting back against the other OEMs selling cheap Android phones around the same price of their Asha range. It could potentially give Nokia a massive sales boost, the only people who wouldn't want this are those concerned about battery life; though with it's small screen and low power processor it shouldn't be too bad.

chmun77 says:

Why doesn't it make sense? Nokia is out for making money. If Nokia is really picking Android, this shows so much for being platform loyalty. If the phone can work well, and who knows will be even better than Windows Phone!

lubbalots says:

520 has proven to be very popular in both emerging and developed countries. What's the point of this bs. It only underscores the hard work done to push WP in the emerging countries. Just plain stupid!

chmun77 says:

But the sales is still bad as compared to Android sales! And imagine if I can side load the official Facebook app onto this phone, rather than using the crappy MS made FB app, I'm all for it! Yes, WP has apps, but the apps for WP are simply so weak. Lots of 3rd party apps for sure, but I still prefer the polished official apps from Android.
 

lubbalots says:

But emerging countries could care less about these apps as long as they are available. Sales are bad the fact that there's slew of androids on sale vs "a" Lumia. That's the difference in sales. Bombard the market with as many cheap WP and you'll see a difference.

chmun77 says:

But too bad, Nokia is going to bombard with lots of cheaper Android handsets soon. Believe it or not. No chance for WP anymore.

4look4rd says:

Honestly it hasn't. We are talking about less than 8 million Lumia devices being sold world wide and including the whole range. The iPhone and the Galaxy flagship sell more devices alone. The 520 is a fantastic device, but it hasn't taken off just yet in emerging markets.

jeffro02 says:

Why would you want this? It'll be a forked version of android without access to the google play store. Think kindle fire but with no downloadable apps. It'll basically be a feature phone with a couple of preloaded Microsoft apps.

FeedTheShark says:

How do you know until you see it?

I imagine Nokia have contracts in place with thousands of mobile developers and will brand this with their own Nokia Store. It won't have the breadth of Google Play (or even Amazon Marketplace) but it will grow if all it takes is for devs to resubmit the same app they have in GP to Nokia. Nice extra stream of revenue for Nokia going that route and not including Google Play.

And Nokia with their HERE Apps and partnership with Microsoft are one of the few companies that can fork Android and replace all the Google Apps with their own branding; HERE Maps for Google Maps, Outlook for Gmail, Skype for SMS/Hangouts, Bing for Google Search, etc. For most companies (even Samsung) forking Android and replacing those apps is a lot of work, hassle and to little benefit, for Nokia/MS the work is done already short of a port and is advantageous. It's win-win and a nice two-finger gesture to Google.

rodneyej says:

⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆ And you guys say I'm nutz...

FeedTheShark says:

Q: What do you call the madman who calls someone else mad? 

A: The Madman.

 

Q: What do you call the person with whom the madman disagrees?

A: Sane.

chmun77 says:

More importantly, people can install custom roms to enjoy full Google services on Nokia! Ain't that wonderful?

Uh no. not really. Go check the specs and tell us that this device would be "wonderful" running Kitkat.

chmun77 says:

How do you know that it doesn't works well with KitKat? You already tried it? If not, don't post something which is not even proven yet!

lubbalots says:

Your talk reminds of old days when I bought a Honda accord and fucked it up by trying to do what I'm not, a "tuner." Stock is the best- you have warranty, you don't fuck-up your phone, you don't waist money by fucking-up your phone, you're guaranteed future updates, etc. Rooting is for folks who's job is in that field. Stock has more value. Your phone probably worth millions in distant future if in original and unmodified condition.

lubbalots says:

Why would you want a phone that has another ui over it?

chmun77 says:

Why not?? Android allows customized launchers anyways. At least, I don't need to be stuck with just tiles and rectangles like WP.

lubbalots says:

Simplisticity is my taste.

chmun77 says:

You can don't add anything on the home screens of Android if simplisticity is your cup of tea. Android doesn't need app shortcuts like Windows Phone in order to see any notifications.

neyaldrich says:

The average user does not know or cares to install custom roms, so I don't think Nokia and Microsoft are worried about that.

 

kurotsuki says:

Well... Asha devices ARE feature phones. So if Nokia want X to replace them, then it's fit for feature phone replacement. Feature phone users usually does not really care about OS. As long as essential apps are there, they are good to go.

lubbalots says:

Feature phones are dead!!!! They're supposed to be replaced by 520!!!! Get the emerging markets to recognize WP!

kurotsuki says:

Well ... Not here in my country. I still see a lot of people using Asha. So it's not dead (yet). That's why X is created. To tie up those Asha users into Microsoft/Nokia services so that when they want to upgrade, they eventually upgrade to WP who also has the same default services.

lubbalots says:

That's why you have the cheap 520 to transition them too. This x phone will give mix signals when they upgrade! They'll be looking for android and see that ms has services on that too, the apps are even better and gets upgrades before WP does.

lcw731 says:

Can someone please explain how giving emerging markets a phone running a forked version of android will steer users to WP? This logic makes absolutely NO sense. A watered down version of WP will, but the competition will not.

I wouldn't you can't download android apps! Its forked!

lubbalots says:

You know guys, if Dan says its a great idea this phone is coming out, lets welcome it with open arms, even if microkia messing with our heads with its existence.

rodneyej says:

Not Interested❕❕❕
..............................
This would've been the perfect week for WP news, but its been ruined by "MS Android this, and Nokia Android that"...
..............................
I just want to enjoy all of the new WP8.1-0xxxx news, without it being ruined by Android getting all up in my Microkia business...
.............................
I don't want to hear anything else about Android❕... This is BS!.... Why can't everyone just let WP have what could possibly be one of it's best weeks ever❕ I'm sick of this xxxx. Lol❕... I really am.

BRomeroT says:

Compleate Agree with you!!!

PureView says:

Calm down a little maybe? The world doesn't revolve around Windows Phone.

lbaxter says:

No, but this site does. :)

Nokia5110 says:

Windows phone ==>> NOKIA LUMIA; NOKIA==>> Nokia X. We certainly can have the debate on this site.

rodneyej says:

Kinda funny telling a crazed WP fan, on his favorite website "WPC", that the world doesn't revolve around WP..... Lol... Do ya really think you're gonna reach him❔Do ya? Do ya think so buddy?? Huh? Do ya? Ya think you're gonna reach em? Huh? Ya think so❔Huh?
.............................
O_O⬅ That's me..
.......................
What❔..... Do ya think just because I have live tiles tattooed around BOTH of my eyes I'm a little obsessed? Huh? Do ya? Do ya think I've gone a little Mikey Tysey? Is that what you think? Huh? Huh buddy? You think I'm crazy buddie? Huh? Is that what you think❔❔❔❔
...........................
@_@⬅ That's me....

lubbalots says:

Isn't the point of the 520 is to make the world revolve around WP?

OMG55 says:

Just like it shouldn't revolve around Apple, Android, or Blackberry either. What rodneyej basically is saying is that this is wpcentral, not android central or crackberry, place the news in the proper category

DJCBS says:

It should prove popular in the places where it is supposed to be popular: "emerging" markets (aka poorer countries where people have less disposable income to buy flagship devices).

It has the Nokia brand behind it, it has Microsoft's services and it has all the Android apps that can be found on Android's third party stores like Amazon.

Actually, OS-wise, between this coming out and 8.1, this Nokia phone will have a more appealing OS than the Lumia ranges in the sense that it has more stuff available for it. After 8.1 it will retain only the edge in terms of Apps. Which to many will be more important than killer specs (seriously, you don't need those for the likes of Candy Crush)

ThePKReddy says:

Have you ever used android on a low end device? The more features will actually be a brick feature. It won't even be a good door stop.

lubbalots says:

Seen it! And its made by Samsung too.

NoNexus says:

KNow what your typing about before you type. In other words, your wrong.

DJCBS says:

Have you ever used a low end Android with KitKat (like this will run)? Use one and then we'll talk.

rodneyej says:

DJCBS.... What you said is pretty much the reality of the situation... I agree totally with that..
..................
Now, with that said.... I can't wait for all the hype about this device to blow over...

blackprince says:

In six months we will barely be talking about this device as I suspect it will be pushed aside.

lubbalots says:

I thought 520 has proven all that in emerging countries. And it has all of MS's services. Basically making this phone is more to kill it and kill WP in those countries. Just a shame.

kurotsuki says:

Appealing based on what? If it for the price, yes, it appealing. Specially for current Asha users.

But if it for the apps, I don't know.
We know that there is miss-understanding about forked Android. People tought that being Android (albeit it's forked ones), all Android apps will work just fine (except for resource limitation like ram, procs, etc). The truth is, there are quite a lot of apps that utilize Google APIs. And I'm sure that being forked Android, X won't have Google APIs. I can't imagine how those apps will run.

In app side, they will face the same limitations like Amazon's Kindle OS. For example, the widely used push notifications. Most of current apps use GCM for broadcasting notifications. And I found them within Google API. This means, every other apps that using push notifications will need to be modified to use Nokia/Microsoft push notification service, or strip it altogether, in order to make the app run. Unless the developer did that, their apps won't run on X.

TechnoTim says:

Its like Asha but on Android.

lubbalots says:

Just kill the fucking Asha already! What's the point of the 520 with Asha and this Normandy.

FeedTheShark says:

The 520 like WP to Android is an upgrade!

R0bR says:

I see Microsoft dropping this phone after Nokia becomes part of MS. Once MS has control of the phones they will drop in price since the phones OS cost will be removed. This will further reduce the cost of the 520 or MS variant to where this Android phone will no longer be needed. They are only releasing it because they can't change course as a result of the purchase.

Clavitox says:

Couldn't they make a deal with Microsoft to not charge em for cheaper fones like a 420?

elderjlward says:

Here's My Analysis of this device and Nokia's/Microsoft's possible plans...
posted 2/4/14

The Nokia Normand/X - Nokia's (Microsoft's) Trojan Phone
http://jltechword.wordpress.com/2014/02/04/the-nokia-normandy-nokias-mic...

sholokov says:

Or you could have just put a link in a comment like other spa...err users.

luimende says:

Clap     clap    clap    There needs to be + or - on this site or likes or something, this was great. 

kurotsuki says:

What a thorough assessment. Nice writing. Adding some perspective around this X :)

AntonyJoseph says:

@elderjlward ..Wonderful analysis. I really hope it turns out correct.
 

elderjlward says:

@AnthonyJoseph Thanks. Me too.

aitt says:

If I could quote all of RodneyJ comments that this phone would not see light of day...

RyanAMG says:

Speaking of him haven't seen much of him lately

NIST says:

They let him out on the weekends. Then he goes on a comment tear for a day or two.

RyanAMG says:

I always assumed he lives in his moms basement and she cuts off his cell and internet when he doesn't do his chores

rodneyej says:

Tapping on your back.. Lol❕❕
"I'm baaack❕❕"""

rodneyej says:

This is BS❕.... Lol❕❕❕

NIST says:

Lol. Welcome to the party Rodney.

rodneyej says:

Aawwweeeee yeeeeeaaahhh BABY❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕❕... LMFAO❕❕

Xaphoon148 says:

Indeed :(
Feels like some sort of blasphemy...

NIST says:

The green garbage can is coming to Nokia?

OscarMaDi says:

My thoughts exactly. But, if that's gonna make some money for them it's ok, I'll support WP anyways, that shouldn't be a problem for us.

pooleyjnr says:

Im not a fan of this Nokia droid malarkey. This should been binned when the Microsoft purchase was agreed!

coip says:

Yeah, I'm quite surprised Microsoft is letting this happen. The press uproad over it will be enormous and most users won't understand what it really  means: they'll just interpret it as Microsoft and Nokia not supporting Windows Phone. It's not worth it. They should've canned it or rewritten WP7 to run on really low end devices instead.

rockstarzzz says:

+1, this will be horrendous press for both Nokia and Microsoft. Its like having an affair and both being cool with it.

FeedTheShark says:

There will be some press, but both Nokia and MS are software companies and getting their other apps, HERE and Bing, etc onto Android is actually a good thing for them. This is also very much a "budget" phone lacking all the high-end features that Lumia devices have. So people will come to see Android as cheap and lacking; moving to a Windows Phone will be an upgrade to first class. So it could actually help them sell their apps, sell more phones and at the same time actually improve the WP brand. I never thought i'd be for a Nokia Android phone, but here I am all for it.

PureView says:

Microsoft cannot dictate to Nokia what they can or cannot do. The acquisition isn't finalised. Nokia can do anything it wants in the mean time.

mpt15 says:

The fact that MS are quiet about this makes me think its not an android phone. I hope there won't be a Nokia android phone ever.

rodneyej says:

Agree.. Traitors I tell you❕

AriesDog says:

Yeah, for this goodbye middle finger, Microsoft should lop $50 million off the buying price.

RJ Priest says:

What a bummer if Nokia's final appearance at MWC is only highlighted by an entry level Android device. I know that Daniel is certain of nothing WP until build, but come on Nokia, don't let it end this way.

FeedTheShark says:

I know Daniel has said no news WP phones, but it looks like there will be a 930 announced as well. I hope he's wrong for once, despite WP8.1 being so close I'm ready to upgrade from my 920.

OMG55 says:

Unfortunately, I must say maybe Microsoft is quiet because this is the windows phone that brings Android apps onboard like the media is talking about.

ricbon says:

I am in and endless loop clicking both sites!!! somebody send help!!

sholokov says:

Its like your shampoo instructions, "Rinse, Apply, Wash, Repeat...". Doesn't say when to stop the endless loop.

cruisezero says:

Yea I wonder what the plan is? Is this one and done kind of project. But if they are releasing it and there will be no support later who is going to buy this thing? Yes it has Microsoft and nokia service softwares but a forked version of android? Is Microsoft going to support it? There has been articles about how MS might be thinking of allowing to run android apps of Windows system, this idea as a whole is a little worrysome. Look at where BB is now. Native apps obviously will have the best user experience. If given choice I don't know how many developers will just opt to not building Windows app and where does that lead Microsoft? New CEO has some big decisions to make.

NoNexus says:

Yep, It appears that Microsft/Nokia is going to go the Amazon route. They want to fork it, they have to support it. 

NoNexus says:

You blog still sucks, I am surprised WP Central puts up with you

elderjlward says:

Thanks for the feedback. Just sharing my thoughts among fellow Windows Phone fans.

elderjlward says:

Just sharing my thoughts among fellow Windows Phones fans. Thanks for the feedback. Hope the point, regarding MS plan to use the Nokia X/Normandy as a Trojan Device to propel their own devices and services, cultivate developers relationships and grow thier marketshare was at least communicated via the blog post you visited(and disliked :-) )  At any rate if the point was not communicated there (in the post) hopefully this succint synopsis captulates the thoughts that are more robustly detailed within the post.

Thanks for the feedback. God Bless!

Jf.Vigor says:

That was entirely too long and unfocused

elderjlward says:

Think so...just trying to convey what I saw as MS plan for using Nokia X/Normandy as a Trojan Phone. Looks more and more as time goes on that my analysis is right, though you may not like the delivery method.

Thanks fort the feedback at any rate.

DJCBS says:

Yeah...here's the deal that sends all your theory to the ground: Microsoft had NOTHING to do with this phone. Because Microsoft doesn't own Nokia.

elderjlward says:

No you're right, they don't. Not yet. But if you have a cup of coffee, a foot rest and a little time, I laid out in my post(linked above) how I believe Microsoft fits into the plan.

But in a nutshell.

A. Nokia starts the plan before deal goes through.

B. All activity continues as planned as if no deal in play(anti-competition laws and all.)

C.hmmmm MS see's advantage of plan. (In all reality may be even playing coy - thier not naive)

D. Deal Goes Through -Contray to some pundits- Microsoft DOES NOT SQUASH NORMANDY

E. MS rolls with the paln and does the following(I postedd this below before you replied...)

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 Use AOSP as Trojan Device.

1. Beat Google/Samsung on the low end where the higher tiered Asha's are loosing ground to low priced more feature rich Android Phones with app ecosystems.

2. Use Nokia's Good Will and hardware design prowess and give a "Nokia-Hungry" populace what they want - A Nokia designed/MS Powered Android Device. An alternative to Google Powered Android.

3. The Nokia X/Normandy's UI Looks like Windows Phones. This "trains" users for Microsoft's Windows Phone UI.Differntiating it from Android and present a fascimile of MS Windows Phone UI to many first time smart phone buyers. Also the Device is laced with default Microsoft and Nokia Services/Ecosystem - sans Google.

4. This Invests Users in said Microsoft and Nokia services/Ecosystem.

5. This gives opportunity for MS to Build Relationships(Relationship is key-Apples app success owes much to relationships built with developers) with developers already building for Android, get them into the Microsoft Android App Store. Share vision that the "millions" of users that they will be supporting on Microsoft's version of Android will likely, due to investing(lock-in to services and ecosystem), remain in MS ecosystem and upgrade to high end Windows Devices.

6. Microsofts tighter relationship with develpers will help them negotiate deals for development for the Windows Phone ecosystem, backed by the wieght of the millions of potential MS android device users migrating from the low end to highend end Windows Phones.

7. Microsoft will have a line of tried and truew Lumia windows Phone Devices awaiting these eager upgraders.

8. This helps Microsoft all around. And is also a proactive "attack" by a powerful, resource rich entity such as Microsoft against Google's attempts to fully "propriterize"(is that a word) Android. Xiami is doing this in China. With MS on board, Google's attempts to lock down Android can be destabilized.

 

elderjlward says:

Think so?... Just sharing an analysis of what I felt Nokia's(Microsoft's) plans might be regarding using this device as a "Trojan Phone". As time goes on it seems that my analysis may be correct, Appreciate the feedback. Though you may not have liked the delivery method(to verbose/unfocused in your estimation), I hope at least the core point was communicated - being that Microsoft/Nokia is using the Normandy/X as to propel their on devcies and services, cultivate developers relationships and grow thier marketshare.

Thanks for the feedback.

 

NIST says:

So what do you think about all this Normandy stuff?

del_x says:

Interesting article.

Well this isn't a high end device, just meant to replace Asha. So I like this.

I do too! I'll explain tomorrow why...

We finally agree on something! :D

mjfadaway says:

Must be nice to be you

London Jr says:

does it have something to do with Microsoft keeping the Nokia brand and selling the brand vs wp8 while also relating to the article about Microsoft debating using android apps?

Does this have to do with that snapchat that's been going around?

Jas00555 says:

I like it too! Microsoft is using Google's own platform against them, its awesome.

rath79 says:

I'm sure its tomorrow already..... Tell me tell me;)

guillams says:

I see this like a smart decision from Nokia/Microsoft to take advantage of android market, with the low end replacing Asha and the new wp8.1 taking more market share, this will be huge. "I think" :P

Moiz Mian says:

I don't understand...is the Lumia 520 not cheap enough? With wp8.1, there will be support for 384x640 resolutions, and may even lead to cheaper phones. I just don't understand why anyone would buy this over a windows phone. At least with windows phone, if you buy the $80 520, you still get 90% of the experience that someone with a flagship like a 9xx series does. This is just a shitty version of android with 4 Microsoft Apps.

ntice_521 says:

Why can't WP replace Asha? Because Microsoft is too lazy or stupid to make a few minor tweaks?

 

elderjlward says:

It's a great plan! Awesome strategy. Use AOSP as Trojan Device.

1. Beat Google/Samsung on the low end where the higher tiered Asha's are loosing ground to low priced more feature rich Android Phones with app ecosystems.

2. Use Nokia's Good Will and hardware design prowess and give a "Nokia-Hungry" populace what they want - A Nokia designed/MS Powered Android Device. An alternative to Google Powered Android.

3. The Nokia X/Normandy's UI Looks like Windows Phones. This "trains" users for Microsoft's Windows Phone UI.Differntiating it from Android and present a fascimile of MS Windows Phone UI to many first time smart phone buyers. Also the Device is laced with default Microsoft and Nokia Services/Ecosystem - sans Google.

4. This Invests Users in said Microsoft and Nokia services/Ecosystem.

5. This gives opportunity for MS to Build Relationships(Relationship is key-Apples app success owes much to relationships built with developers) with developers already building for Android, get them into the Microsoft Android App Store. Share vision that the "millions" of users that they will be supporting on Microsoft's version of Android will likely, due to investing(lock-in to services and ecosystem), remain in MS ecosystem and upgrade to high end Windows Devices.

6. Microsofts tighter relationship with develpers will help them negotiate deals for development for the Windows Phone ecosystem, backed by the wieght of the millions of potential MS android device users migrating from the low end to highend end Windows Phones.

7. Microsoft will have a line of tried and truew Lumia windows Phone Devices awaiting these eager upgraders.

8. This helps Microsoft all around. And is also a proactive "attack" by a powerful, resource rich entity such as Microsoft against Google's attempts to fully "propriterize"(is that a word) Android. Xiami is doing this in China. With MS on board, Google's attempts to lock down Android can be destabilized.

rzkwp8 says:

Extremely clever strategy by MS. Google is already concerned about Samsung's new Magazine UI. Now this WP-Android hybrid. Let's see what happens.

elderjlward says:

Yeah, I'm excited to see how it works out. It was appearing that Google's Android was unstoppable. Just gobbling up OEMs who were afraid not to "PLAY" by Google's rules who joined thier consortium afraid to fork Android, which of course leaves developers with fewer options outside of Google Play. Xiaomi, Amazon and now apparently Microsoft (and possibly MS more so than the other two) can really disrupt Google's stranglehold on Android, and ultimately thier strength in Mobile, which is balanced on a pretty fragile precipice in being primarily driven by Samsung. As you note Magazine UI is already a departure from Google's vision of Android. And is reminiscent of Windows Live Tiles. And will be debuting on thier two new tablets and possibly be on the S5. Not sure if the'll stick with it for the long run due to Sammys and Google's recent cozying up, but may be too late to pull from these next devices. Now if Samsung goes Tizen, that will really throw Google into a tizzy. :-)

Here's to hoping for a mobile paradigm shift!

mtimbs says:

Bringing android back to open source. Something that isn't seen to be owned by google. This is a good step for some unified software

YianniGR says:

So you don't think we will have a new Lumia announcement before April?

wizzackr says:

Still don't get it - even if it's only because of the fact that this story, indeed, will cause enormous waves amongst the tech crowds. This move sends such wrong signals in my mind, the potential positive side-effects cannot possibly outweigh. Then those rumors about android apps being considered for emulation... What on earth is going on in some peoples' heads? Also, did Microsoft buy the Normandy/x alongside the asha and Lumia brands or is that still a Nokia only endeavour?

Mad Strings says:

Anyone know if a new Lumia will be announced at MWC?

mjfadaway says:

Nope as in you don't know? Or nope as in No new Lumias?

Moiz Mian says:

evleaks said Lumia 930. Are they untrusted now too? Just want to know :)

poken1151 says:

Is that nope you don't think one will be announced, or nope you don't if one will be or not?

NIST says:

Dan knows something. He's being strangely quiet. Just watching the comments mount. You're a sly one sir. Well played.

NightWatch71 says:

Okay, I seriously don't understand anything about this. I mean what's the point? Android would suck on low end hardware and they don't have a proper app store. Am I missing something?

NIST says:

Oh yes. Yes you are. Everything will be revealed soon. I can't say anymore. Maybe I've said too much already.

NightWatch71 says:

Well, I hope you're right.

NoNexus says:

Yeah Kit Kat is for low end hardware so your missing that

NIST says:

Shhhh. You'll let the Kat out of the bag.

OldMillXxX says:

In Android, after K comes L.  KitKat to ... wait for it.... Lumia?

 

Sorry, had to.
 

simphf says:

I though you were going to say lolcat.

Nokia5110 says:

When is Lumia dual sim expected?

Question, even though it is technically running android, why is everyone saying "android"? Even Google says this isn't android. It also doesn't count towards "android" sales.

Either way, hope this helps Nokia and in effect helps WP.

theefman says:

How will it possibly help WP?

rockstarzzz says:

More Microsoft service users

NoNexus says:

More ad views as well as there has to be some kind of profit margin in it for Nokia somewhere along the line. This isnt it because they have a ton of startup costs, but maybe a year from now

I could think a couple ways. More revenue for Nokia, more money they can devote to their research division, bringing us more innovative things. Like the other poster said, more users using MS services. It also could help with WP adoption since it looks similar to WP.

aitt says:

I think the phone case is green from the leaked photos if not mistaken. Maybe that's the reason behind the green.

thomasdtran says:

Do you think with these specs it can run Android smoothly?

aitt says:

Google Android? No. Stripped down basic forked android? Why not.

NoNexus says:

Wrong. There are plenty of Android phones that run low end just fine. The Moto G for example 

colinkiama says:

Moto g uses snapdragon 400. Nokia x will use a 1 GHz snapdragon 200. Its not the same

NoNexus says:

It is still low end.

The phone jsut came out, and the flagships that are on the way (or jsut got released) are running SD 800, 800AB, 800AC and 805s. 

willied says:

But isn't vanilla Android the least resource intensive?

NoNexus says:

if that is all you intended to put on it yeah but if Outlook and whatever other google replacement apps you put on there suck, it will not matter.

With amazon it is mostly an eReader, so a lot of the other stuff doesnt matter. This is really the fist major "forked" phone

DJCBS says:

Until the existance of 4.4.2 KitKat you would be right. Not anymore.

pankaj981 says:

I am pretty sure someone from the Cyanogenmod team would definitely come up with a CM11 ROM for this in a couple of months

leoberto says:

I think the "tree" may be a hint to "branch" which is what Nokia did with Android when they forked it

NIST says:

Have you ever forked an android?

simphf says:

Once, but I got electo-gaunarea. The noisy killer.

ntice_521 says:

Before forking android, check if your software is compatible with the target hardware.

 

Mooncow27 says:

I'm all for it. I wouldn't buy a non WP device, but many might buy the forked version.

aitt says:

I guess its safe to say that Nokia will never be an official Google Android OEM as this will violate their Open Handset Alliance.

NoNexus says:

no it really doesnt. If Nokia wants to be an (google play certified) OEM and play in the big leagues, then they can. They just have some things to adhere to. 

aitt says:

No it does. Considering the fact that MS will take over D&S of Nokia, that essentially means that MS will have to sign into the OHA, which means the forked Android wont exist and MS definitely will not be making Google certified Android devices. "As part of its efforts to promote a unified Android platform, OHA members are contractually forbidden from producing devices that are based off incompatible forks of Android"
I don't see Nokia or MS signing anything like this anytime soon.

DJCBS says:

Safe until 2016 at least...yes. Though I've read reports that apparently they shipped higher-end Android devices to India for tests but since I couldn't confirm the veracity of those, I'm not jumping to conclusions.

No one seems to understand Normandy/X is designed for developing markets and is not likely destined for the US.... The way theyre acting its as of nokia is scrapping WP. In reality, this is just the next "Asha", in a sense

rockstarzzz says:

Why could they not use WP7 or striped down WP8 for Asha? In all emerging markets Lumia 520 has done extremely well.

DJCBS says:

1 word: Apps.

Sean D. says:

If it's running forked it won't have access to google markt apps anyway.

DJCBS says:

It will, however, have access to Amazon's and every other third party Android store were most of the apps also reside.

NoNexus says:

In other words, old versions of apps. None of them are kept very far up to date.

DJCBS says:

They'll still be there though. Which is more than WP manages to get. So it's like "either an old version of app X or no version at all. Choose". And since people in emerging markets are less willing to spend money on apps anyway, having old free versions should be better than having nothing. Then if they want good apps etc they get a more expensive device.

NoNexus says:

True but it is still iffy. 

rockstarzzz says:

2 words: You're wrong. Forked Android has no more apps than a WP7 device. This isn't Android.

NoNexus says:

Your wrong, Android runs on android, you jsut cannot get them from the Playstore

DJCBS says:

This is based on AOSP. Which stands for ANDROID Open Source Project. Like it or not, it's the purest form of Android.

Then you have "famous Android" which is what results of the signing of the Mobile Application Distribution Agreement with Google. That agreement is what brings all the Google services in but also imposes on OEM's a ton of restrictions regarding the messing with those Google products.

"Forked" Android is nothing more than pure Android without the signing of the MADA and therefore the iron grip of the boys at Mountain View.

Oh and "You're wrong" it's actually three words. 1 - You 2 - are 3 - wrong.

Um, actually here recently in the past few months I saw a report that Samsung and other Android OEM's were fairing better than Asha. WP8 can only go so low on hardware, and WP7 is dead in the water. Furthermore, running a forked version of android allows Nokia to easily bring android apps to the device with little to no effort. Normandy is clearly designed for developing markets where Asha is sold, the same market where devices like the 520 and Asha are being defeated by Android. Furthermore, with a WP-esque UI and Microsoft + Nokia services, it allows Nokia to keep users away from Google and entice those who upgrade to a Windows Phone.

elderjlward says:

Agreed. That's the exact point I make in my post above, as well as a blog post linked above. I think Thai is the direction they're going.

crise says:

I remember long ago there was lots of news about phones getting bamboo cases. What happened to that? Maybe Nokia will make a wooden phone? :)

NoNexus says:

THe Motorola X has them

DJCBS says:

Check Motorola's "Moto Maker". It has 4 types of wood-back for you to chose. Actually the Moto Maker is an awesome idea...unfortunately it's US-only so...

I don't even understand why this is being allowed to happen at this time

hagjohn says:

Big mistake if it gets released.

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