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The Nokia Lumia Icon and 930 do not have Glance, here’s why

The Nokia Lumia 930 announced during Build is in many the perfect Lumia. There are just two features that are missing that may keep it from being the best Windows Phone on the market: no micro SD card and no Glance screen.

The lack of a micro SD card is perhaps not that bad, considering that the Lumia 930 ships with 32 GB of internal storage. Despite the grumbles in comments here about this missing feature, most regular people actually do quite fine with 32 GB. Glance though is a bit different. Much like the Lumia Icon on Verizon, the Lumia 930 will also not have Glance. It’s an odd omission, for sure.

Yesterday we sat down with Nokia though and were able to ask why that is. Here’s what we learned.

The problem with the Nokia Icon/930 and running Glance comes down to the display type. No, it’s not the AMOLED technology (the Lumia 928 proves otherwise) and it’s obviously not the 1080P resolution (the Lumia 1520 attests to that) but rather it’s the type of AMOLED screen used. More to the point, the screen used on the Lumia Icon/930 lacks ‘display memory’. Long story short, in order for Glance to work, it needs display memory to maintain the information presented by the program. Unfortunately, we’re not engineers, so how Glance actually works in detail and what it needs is beyond our pay grade.

So why not use an AMOLED display with display memory? That answer comes down to money, as we were told they are only too cost prohibitive for that particular combo. LG and Samsung are big AMOLED display manufacturers, and we’re guessing that the combo of 1080P, AMOLED and display memory components are not as mass produced as others, or there is something else keeping their prices too high for Nokia. Remember, Nokia doesn’t make their displays, even if they are involved with their engineering.  

It’s not that Nokia couldn’t afford it, but it sounds like the cost of the component would have either increased the price of the Lumia 930/Icon or severely eaten into the thin profit margin on per device sale.

It seems reasonable that Nokia could have opted for a 5-inch LCD display similar to the Lumia 1520, but we’re guessing they had a good reason for not doing that. Perhaps AMOLED was better for this device’s design, power consumption or another reason we’re not privy to. No one said it was easy designing a phone.

Regardless, Nokia is very aware that people are really missing that feature. We were told there have been a lot of internal conversations about this “feature gap” and how to avoid this in the future. It’s also not clear if Nokia can code around this one, but it sounds like they are trying to figure it out. Nokia has done some crazy things in the past, like the Lumia 1020, which lacks a second dedicated imaging chip (most techies assumed they would need one). So never say never, but at least for now, the Lumia Icon and Lumia 930 won’t have this feature.

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The Nokia Lumia Icon and 930 do not have Glance, here’s why

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Am I the only person who still loves this phone? The 2 missing features are definitely useless and meaningless to me. I've never used glance before on my 920....don't really care about the feature a lot of WP users are dying for and secondly don't see the essence of SD cards. Before my 920 I had 820 with an SD card and I was never at peace with that phone simply due to duplicates and triplicates of all files/pictures/videos/audios on my phone. Later took the phone back to get my current 920 without sd card and never had that problem since. With lots of cloud services around, don't really see the essence of sd cards on a 32gb phone. So the 930 not having glance and sd card are even good news to me and another reason to get the 930. Don't know why glance and sd cards are soo special to you guys.....especially in 2014.

I could explain to you why these two features mean so much to many different people, but why do that when you could just simply read the threads below? What works for you doesn't necessarily mean it works for everyone.

You'd be wasting your time. Some people seem to think they can have 4GB plus games and full music albums in that magic cloud and access it on demand.
Like a very wise man said 32GB is good enough for normal/regular people.

4 GB? 100 Bing points gets you 100 GB of Onedrive. But yea, I'd be irked about the no SD. I'd probably get the coming Samsung instead. But, I have a grandfathered unlimited on Verizon so cloud is perfectly fine with me.

@Novron sure. 100 Bing points hive 100GB. Cool. I would love to get more space. Can you tell me how to get the Bing rewards in my region(India)? :-/ sorry for pulling you but MS is yet to be international in my opinion. And until they give equal services in all regions, SD card can help a lot of people.

We are burnt by the other storage issue. Anyhow the 930 seems compromised. Cortana vs glance we don't know the implications yet... Why be held back by hardware?

I really like this phone too... but the lack of SD support kills it and disappoints me. Glance I love but could live without.
To your concerns about the duplicate files, that issue has supposedly been fixed and was never really a problem (for me anyway) when using drag/drop via file manager on the PC.
Also, cloud services are great... if you have unlimited carrier data (hardly anyone does), always have 4G connectivity and don't have massive amounts of media (that would require an additional cost with cloud subscription, on top if data costs).

Exactly my sentiments. Can't live without my 60 gb music collection, and would hate to lose glance functionality. No SD card (or 128 internal memory), no deal. No glance I'd learn to live with.

Duplicate songs has been a problem for me (Lumia 620), but reimporting the music to my SD card (drag and drop as you mention) fixed it both times.

Honestly, I don't understand why Nokia/MS forces us to chose between power + camera quality vs. storage. I have plenty of money; why can't I have both?!?!?

Some people may really have a need for more than 32gb, but I just don't. As for Glance, well it sounds nice, but I don't see it as a deal breaker for me. I am loving my white Icon and neither of those features feels like something I'm missing out on. But to each his own...

What's this? A comment that is nice and doesn't contain elitist backhanded comments belittling others? Can I make you King of the Internets?

I'm the same. My 32GB 1020 is only about half full at the moment. I see no need for SD card slots and wish they would just offer 64GB or higher models for those that need more storage. Built in storage is faster. As for Glance, I would miss it, but it wouldnt be a deal breaker. Its a small thing, but its one of those nice features Nokia has that really sets it apart from everything else.

I have the Icon and I was thinking I would need more than 32Gb but I'm currently at about half full and I can't seem to find anything else that I need on it yet. I do miss the Glance screen sometimes but I missed the double tap even more. It's nice to know I'll be getting that back.

I love SD cards. I have a 32GB SD card in my phone, the ATIV S, and have it loaded with all the photos I have taken on all my old phones which is about 5000 pictures. Basically all those photos take up loads of space which is why I like to have SD cards in my phones.

Couldn't you just store your pictures on Onedrive and therefore not need the SD card storage, plus with Onedrive you could access those pictures anywhere. The only benefit I can see to an SD card would be if you have more than 32GB of apps, that's of course assuming you can run Apps from an SD card, which I'm not sure of.

How would you access those piks on onedrive if your someplace that does not have an internet connection? Also you will be using data accessing piks on onedrive, yes I know most ppl have unlimited data but that's not everyone, besides SD cards rock, no school like the old school.. Just saying..

Yeah, because people love waiting for their images to download from the cloud instead of instant access from microSD. What if you travel? What if you go camping? Go into a tunnel on a train? Then you don't have access to anything, unless you can find a WiFi hotspot. I could have a stack of microSD ready to roll - music, photos, videos. The "transfer speed" is up to 64GB per second (if I can swap cards that fast haha).

Where do I put my 65GB of music? Oh wait, I know, I should pay a service $10 a month to listen to the music I already paid for. Nope.

And I realize that's not everyone, but many people have different wants and needs. Though I will say this: I'm not complaining about a piece of hardware that doesn't fit my needs. Its a good looking phone and more power to those that pick one up.

7gig is weak, not enough and even if you got in on the promo's for a year, what happens then? Surprised by the lack of an SD card slot.

You people in usa etc have high speed internet. We Indians dont. Our internet is a crying shame, and the costs are top high for even 3g.

Yeah ! And that's what i want to do on my phone, and that's why i was considering buying the 930.. Sadly, the sd card slot isn't there :(

Looks like the lack of SD card slot and glance is going to hit lumia 930 hard. They could gave increased the price and included these two much wanted features instead of doing what they did. They compromised a potentially great product and rendered it practically useless for a vast majority of people with different requirements.
I personally would not have required sd card, but glance is what I was looking forward to.
Lumia 930s loss .... Lumia 1020s gain!

It creates usability problems for regular users. They rip SD cards out while the phone is on, likely corrupting the data on the card. They also don't understand why their storage is full when the purchased a massive card, because they can't install apps on it. Read speeds are often much slower than built in storage too. I'd rather have 32gb built in. Less headaches, less money and less to manage.

huh? And where's your studies showing that people take out SD cards while the phone is on? I expect the likelihood is that people install their SD cards and then don't touch them for the life of the phone. It's a waste of time to do a point by point analysis of your issues, many are simply a given or are about to change.

The final thesis is that there is some sort of false dilemma. It's not that any of us are really calling for less than 32gb of internal memory as a trade off for the SD Card slot, we are fully aware that is the trade off in the entry level phones. We are looking for flagship phones with at least 32gb of internal memory AND a SD Card Slot.

I sell phones. I have to educate customers every sale, every day. When I ask them to remove the SD card from their old phone they ALL don't realize they need to take their battery out first.

Look, you don't have to believe me, my evidence is anecdotal sure but I'm 100% certain that my experiences are more diverse than yours simply because I'm in more contact with various types of people day in and day out regarding the very subject of their cell phones.

It's funny you mention internal storage being better... if you crack open a HTC HD7 they have an internal (non-accessible) microSD slot holding all of the storage ;) Internal storage FTW haha

Yes, I believe that was the same for the HTC Arrive on Sprint. I had even read of people replacing the 16Gb card with a 32Gb card. I wasn't that brave but it worked for them.

Usually, my friends used SD card like never. I thought I'm the only freek in society, but... I noticed that ppl never use external memory, and I'm considering buying 16 GB for my Lumia, coz I'm always low on memory. That's only because I have installed a lot of maps atm. Today, costumers don't ask for memory, they asks: can I watch YouTube on it? Take selfi? Login in Facebook, twitter and instagram? And that's it, unfortunately.

Not quite... as the mobile cameras are becoming better, people are leaving their normal cameras at home. Try selling a camera without microSD / removable storage. So phones nowadays are filled with personal photos and videos. Oh and lots of music too! It's great being able to whip out the card to chuck it in a printer and print out some photos (yes, some people still do that), or put them on another PC, or just copy files to it, without all the synching madness.

Thinking that 32gb or less of storage is appropriate for a phone that'll cost over $400 out of contract is absurd at best. I have the 1520 and the 32gb is full with apps alone. I live in the HUMONGOUS metro area of LA and getting a signal to stream music is spotty at best. I also TRAVEL for a living. Try streaming a flight. I don't carry a dedicated music player (iPod) in addition to my phone. My phone IS ALSO my music player. Anything less than 64gb external is a deal breaker. A phone with no SD storage at all is a damn rip-off!

"It works for me, so everyone must use it the same way!"

C'mon son, I sell phones for a living and part of the sales process they teach is the qualifying stage. Its where we discover information about the customer to better suggest products and services. 95% of people just text, call and check email. Actually, a lot of these people don't even need a smartphone, they get one because their friends and family tease them for having an old phone.

TL;DR: just because you use your phone a certain way doesn't mean everyone else does.

it is an ugly phone uninspired design with huge bezels and is very thick. the fact that there is no glance screen is ridiculous. Claiming they are too expensive to make is a sob story nobody wants to hear about. If they offer a product and people are happy with it why get rid of the features people loved so much and 1080p screens were popular when nokia introduced glance screen they knew what they were getting themselves into a hole. there are android phones that have similar features.

For a person new new to Lumia / WP, you're absolutely right.

For those of us that has learned to enjoy Glance, you're equally wrong.

Personally I don't care to look at HD material on small screens, as little as I care to check the time on my Surface Pro (I stopped wearing wrist watches numerous years ago). Being able to take the phone half way out of my pocked and get time ++ is not something I'm willing to loose.

Yeah man and apparently the action center can be brought up with the phone still locked.

Still its a nice feature, I have something similar with my Moto X and I think I kind of got used to having Glance like capabilities without turning the whole screen on...

It will be missed by me. Still gonna get the 930 though I'm sick of android... only reason I went with the moto X was the pricing and because the WPhones available didn't have the latest hardware, I want something which will be future proof so I can stick with it for at least 2 years.

I love glance screen app because there is no notification lights in any Lumia device like my old nokia N8 so we must required this feature for quick notification show when take out from my pocket.That's the reason I don't want to go lumia 920 to 930.so i am waiting for next 5" 1080p Lumia.

To be honest, I would prefer Glance on a lower res screen than no Glance on a 1080p screen. The extra resolution just doesn't matter much at this size, but I use Glance constantly. I would prefer even more to just pay the extra $10 or even $30 if that was what it took. Also, I vastly prefer OLED to LCD. I'm going to stick with my 1020... I'm hoping they will eventually give us a true upgrade to it, with OLED, Glance, and SDCard.

If I was on Verizon none of this would stop me from getting an Icon though... no comparison to other products on that network.

This causes that Nokia won't get 700,- of my $ and I'll stick to my 920. Would love to buy a 930 though, but missing glance is a no go.

Same here wanted eagerly to update from my 820 to 930 but these two drawbacks have me uncertain, the memory i can manage but the Glance Screen is a must. Guess I have to get the 1520 or 1320

Do you have screen burn in on your L1020? Because I have it on my 1020, and my 925 now. You can test it by making a phone call (call your voicemail), hit the home button and go to the home screen. Let the phone sit there for a minute. Tap on the call action bar at the top of the screen and look closely at the blank gray space. You should see an inverted 'reflection' of the boxes from your homescreen. Its done this for me everytime on 3 different 1020's and now my 925.

That is why I'll always prefer LCD.

Nope, no sign of this on my 1020, using the test you described.  Just an absolutely gorgeous display with rich color.  Although my 1020 is only about 8 months old... I didn't get it when they first came out.

I'll have to check on my brother's 820 (which is also OLED).  He's had that for nearly a year and a half.  But from observation (I just looked at it last weekend), the scvreen looks every bit as incredible as when it was new.

I will also say that my wife dropped my 820 and it took a pretty sharp knock on the corner.  No damage visible to the phone, but over the next 10 hours after it happend the corner turned blue, which spread to the rest of the screen and then turned the whole screen black.  I've never seen an LCD do that, though I've also never dropped a phone that hard on a corner either.  So who knows.

All I can say for sure is that OLEDs look amazing to me... I far prefer the punchy colors and deep inky blacks on phones than LCD (comparing to my 920 which looks quite good mind you, and my 520 which is decidedly lackluster as expected for the price point).  For my computer I think I would prefer LCD for the color accuracy, because that is where I do my photo editing and whatnot.

As you can tell, I'm addicted to Lumias... I am compelled to try them all out... luckily the 1020's photo quality has completely spoiled me for pretty much any other phone until something comes along to match it... though I suspect I could make do ok with the 20 megapixel camers.  But the comination of the 1020's camera, camera grip accessory, lanyard, and AT&T's complete dropping of support for Qi means I am pretty much happy to stay where I am.

Great comment! I love my new Lumia. I was switching back and forth between an HTC One and my 1020 and it feels good to be back on WP.

I have a couple group chats going with friends and the HTC drives me nuts because it takes 5-7 seconds to send an MMS! WP just works so well.

If all the features are given on a all the phones there wud be no differences left.... So thats the cut off features.... From 1520.... Bht I guess 1520 mini shud fulfill ur requests

I'd say, just put the 1520 screen on it and call it a day. Actually, just like a 5inch 1520 with Glance Screen, microSD card slot and addition to the Qi charging and that'll be THE flagship in my opinon for right now, hopefully Nokia considers this. 

We get neither in Canada, at least the carriers around me aren't sporting them yet. I know I can order an international model of the 930 but that's beside the point. I'd like to try one out before replacing my 920.

Doubt it seeing as Verizon's icon has same lte bands as what's supported in Canada & from what i remember reading it has both pcs & aws hspa bands.
the sgh-t899m is a prime example of a dual mode phone that was surprising to see in Canada but not on Verizon(yet their apn app is in Samsung zone)

The 1020 has a Qi cover. The 1520 was going to have support for PMA that ATT has decided to push instead of Qi. As far as I know, they have never released a wireless charging sheel for the 1520. IMO ATT has no business picking sides in a wireless charging standards battle. ATT doesnt make hardware, they need to stay out of it.

I think when the 920 came out more than a year ago, AT&T hadn't firmly made up their mind to actively promote PMA.

Are you saying this phone has wireless charging? If it does I could forgive it the lack of SD card if wireless charging is onboard.

I am not a geek but 32Gb is NOT enough. Games and apps are getting much bigger, and when on holiday or at family events video adds to the loads. Cloud is not a price effective solution as cellular charges for 30GB video uploads are ridiculous.

I love Glance and look forward to Nokia bringing it back.

Here's to still hoping that Nokia will release something later this month. Here is why I think it's within the real of possibility (no, not because EVleaks talked about a 19 April event): Joe Belfiori said on stage that the first 8.1 devices woudl ship very late April or early May. If I am not mistaken, Nokia has said that both the 930 and 630/635 would only ship in June. So, some other phone would have to come out to the stores with 8.1. AND I am hoping its not just a Sammy. :)

Why doesn't Microsoft release certain things the US only gets... because sadly, you can't have everything in life.

I think that Nokia still doesn't enough clout to get one device released by every carrier in the US without branding in the front. HTC, LG only made the cut after Samsung did. Sony is in the same boat.

That's Steve Elop's stupid carrier exclusivity strategy. It limits the WP phone selection for either AT&T or Verizon. Only Verizon customers can buy Lumia Icon while the rest of country can't. Only AT&T customers can buy L1020 and L1520 while the rest of country can't. No wonder the Lumia phones except L520/L521 are not doing so well in US. L520 is selling well due to its extreme low price. Nokia probably sells it at a loss. What a loser strategy. But don't expect MS/Nokia to change any time soon. Steve Elop is coming over to MS. Lumia 930 is a great phone, but they just don't want you to have it. Go figure.

Its such BS. ATT doesn't work at my home or office so I'm stuck on Verizon. Nokia would sell alot more phones if we could get the phone we want. I went from 8X to 928 and would have the 1520 if Verizon offered it. But I guess Nokia doesn't want to sell me another phone.

No, sprint and T-Mobile simply rejects WP devices. Only the carriers who are truly interested in devices other than the iphone/android invest

I still cant believe phones in the US are carrier based.
Here in The Netherlands, ALL phones are being sold by ALL carriers.
Much easier :)
More competition, lower prices on contract.

True. I guess I wish it was more integrated with the lock screen. Maybe the background could fade in when the phone wakes up from glance. All I'm saying there's a better way...
I love glance but not a deal breaker.

Hardly gimmicky. I find it useful all the time. I take my phone from my pocket quite often to see clock. That's information I need. I wouldn't want to do without it anymore. Also, I've had older (clam-shell) Nokia phones that had a clock on the outside. It's more like bringing an older feature back.

I was in the Verizon store ready to upgrade my 928 to the Icon and my glance screen came on and I don't think I can live without it. I want the 1520 but ATT doesn't work for me :/

I think Nokia should consider the fact that for many of us, no glance, no micro SD, and no flash are deal breakers. We don't want to hear excuses. Maybe we need a mean guy like Steve Jobs to "force" them to find a solution, and find a solution now.

For everyone one person where that is a deal breaker, there's another person where its not. I love my Icon and as this is my first WP I don't miss something I never had. Its like every other phone in that regard and I'm okay with that.

Sure, to some people it doesn't matter, but let's say Nokia came out with another version with all of these features included, and maybe $10-20 more expensive. Would people who don't need these features still get the cheaper one, even though there's a very small difference in price? I don't know the answer because these features are important for me, but unless some people have to save every penny, I would say they would get the slightly more expensive one, just because they have the option to use the features if they want. If that's true, then more people would buy it because it satisfies everyone. But it really depends on how much the cost will increase per unit by adding these features. I'm still not convinced why it was so necessary to leave out the flash from the 630/635 though.

This exactly. If there was a 64GB or 128GB variant, or one with an SD card.... Then I'll pay extra for it. There is never anything wrong with having choices. Choices empowers consumers.

"I would say they would get the slightly more expensive one, just because they have the option to use the features if they want. If that's true, then more people would buy it because it satisfies everyone."

thank you! There are a lot of us that really are looking for a phone very close to the 930's specs and size, but given it lacks the SD Card slot and now Glance, there's a fair amount of people that are going to sit on their hands and wait for the phone that really matches their criteria.

Same here. I'm looking forward to replace my Lumia 920 but then since 930 lacks glance support I'll just hope my current phone last until Nokia/Microsoft release another worthy successor.

Lumia 1520 will be the perfect phone for me if not for it's huge size and I expect Lumia 930 will be a 1520 but with a 5" display and pocket friendly. Sigh~

To be honest, I think double-tap to unlock is the more useful feature. Glance is cool, but a better version if it exists on Motorola's Moto X.

Double tap to unlock makes your phone very sensitive and unlock almost anytime as you carry your phone around in your pockets, glance doesn't do that it just display the time with notifications or any text without waking the phone,I think it is very useful feature. But,then every person for themselves, sigh :/

I also found that Glance wakes the screen faster. Let me explain, the screen is already powered up before you push the power button. Have a look at it, if you switch off glance there is a delay on displaying the lock screen.

At least we finally have a real reason why, anywho I love my 1520 .....att gimped so be it .....i have glance and an sdcard......ill use wires to charge :)

Someone made a video showing how to add Qi to the 1520. Only if they could add Verizon radio frequency to the 1520.

I bought the international version of the L1520. I have 32GB in Red, NO ATT bullcrap, it's fully unlocked, and I have Qi charging. In the US, I don't get LTE (stuck on 4G), but that doesn't bother me so much since I am always on WiFi when I am doing data intensive tasks.

32gb again. What do they not get? There is a reason Apple offers 64. MANY OF US WANT IT. SD card sometimes is nice, but it limits what and can't be put on it. Just offer 64 already, Nokia. With so much your way ahead of the times. And with others, your stuck in 1995.

IIRC, Nokia has also offered e.g. a 64GB 1020, no? So they could (and probably hope to) do the same here to milk the market a little bit more.

64 would cost more. The cloud makes up for the other 32 GB especially since its so well integrated.
However the memory on my 1020 is almost maxed out and that's BC I have so many games I don't play (an extra 32 would be nice)

Yes Apple offers a 64 GB iPhone, still its the least sold one. Nokia did the right thing. Striking a good balance between cost and storage.

That's exactly why an SD slot is perfect, people who don't need it, won't use it, while if hidden in the sim tray, it wouldn't add anything to break the design. I'm sure many people with Galaxy s5s don't use memory cards, but it's infinitely useful to those who do.

So, the other manufacturers like Samsung, HTC, Sony, etc, are all wrong in putting an SD card in their high end phones. I'd rather have 8GB of internal storage if I can add a 128 GB from an SD than 32 GB (which in reality is less than that). When you start seeing games which require 4GB plus like asphalt 8 then let me now how those 28ish internal storage is working for you.

I did not talk about SD cards. The fact they did not include a micro sd card slot is pretty sad.

I still don't know why I can't get a 64gb phone. What would be the actual price increase? $10,000 dollars?

No Glance. This omission will make me want Verizon to get another flagship very soon to jump too. Also: 1) I can't believe Nokia engineers missed this when procuring parts 2) is it possible they thought they'd eventually just figure out a workaround but this time are stumped? This just doesn't add up after all the Glance touting and advertising. Someone must have outright screwed up.

Nokia didn't miss it. They simply decided to go with the cheaper screen from their supplier. Bad move IMO.

Talk about fragmentation. Nokia fragments their entire "flagship" offerings. These types of manifestations explain very clearly why they were in the financial trouble they found themselves in.

Actually this is just a BS explanation. I study electrical engineering and I can assure you this "Display memory" they are refering to is called the "frame buffer". The frame Buffer is a portion of RAM containg all Pixel-Information about the Displayed Picture (Frame). This is all stored on the devices RAM (unless the GPU does not have its own ram).
My explanation to whx the did exclude the 930 from glance is actually quite simple. They used a display which is more prone to burn-ins, for lowering the cost of the device, all pretty understandable. So instead of having people complain about heavy burn-ins because of glance on their 930/Icon, they did decide to exclude the device from glance to prevent such thing. Nothing to cry about, the 930 is still badass.

What burn-in? Glance moves every minute on the screen to presumably avoid that. Is AMOLED that sensitive to that effect? I'm also not convinced that this was just "bullshit" because they could have easily explained it a different way and not get so specific.

The person whom I spoke with is involved and was very well versed on the chipsets, imaging, sensors (and SensorCore as he spearheaded that project) and the displays--he wasn't an exec or PR person. He wasn't sugar coating anything.

Im not sugar coating anything either, Daniel. I am well aware that glance moves every 5 minutes to prevent that. Still there are AMOLED Displays out their which are more prone to burn-ins. Its all about testing. If they did decide to include a cheaper display just to lower the cost of the device and they found Glance is bad for this particular one, it is okay. 32 GB of Storage 2 GB of RAM 2450 mAh battery 20 mpx imaging sensor etc etc, those parts are not cheap. Its all about striking a balance. At the end this is a flagship and not a niche product people throw their money at. It has to be affordable.

My friend's Samsung Note (or Note 2, don't remember which version) got burn-in from him chatting with a person often and that person's nickname being in the same spot on the screen every time. Until he actually showed me I could hardly believe that a screen could get burn-in like that.

At the phone store in Australia the 1020 had severe burn in from not being set up properly or played with enough. It's kind of sad. It seems common though.

Thats exactly what I was trying to explain him. AMOLED pixels tend to lose their ability to glow, when in use. Thats the price you pay for a greater contrast and longer battery life. WP just looks better on an AMOLED screen.

Are you telling me the image data are constantly transferred from RAM to the panel while it is in glance mode? Holy geeeezzzzz! Your battery will die very fast this way!

I believe the "display memory" is something on the panel, so it can hold the image without getting data from the main memory.

Not sure about the burn-ins...

I would argue otherwise, since your theoretical knowledge is still incomplete . You are ignoring a real technical hurdle which requires the display memory to stay powered on even while the rest of the device is in standby. This is essential so the processor and memory bus don't have to constantly wake up to move the pixels from system memory to the display memory and drain away the battery.

Good point. Thx for lighting me up. Forgot its integrated graphics we are talking about here. You are right phones do not have a separate framebuffer bus an rely on the main bus. Sry about that. Was to much into actual separate PC GPU. I apologize. Nokias explanation makes perfect sense then of course.

I like how you think you know more than the engineers at Nokia about a device they designed. Have you considered that Glance is active when the phone is almost entirely "off" and that components like the GPU, RAM, etc. are mostly in a sleep state? Nokia's explanation to Daniel makes perfect sense. Glace is mostly firmware level code that runs when the vast majority of the phone's hardware is not active. It's not hard to believe that the feature would be dependent on display memory of some kind.

The keyword here is Display Self-Refresh. So no, we're not talking about the regular frame buffer. The GPU is asleep, the interconnect is asleep. The display keeps the same image in a dedicated memory buffer that is as the name implies redrawn all the time.

Honestly, I would've paid extra for Glance, but I'm probably the minority...
I still don't understand why they can't also allow a 64gb option, even if it's not made in huge quantities, but I don't know how Nokia does things.

Nokia does thing the way that doesn't get product in the consumer hands. They would sell alot more phones if they gave the people what they want. Exclusives are BS people on Verizon want the 1520 & people on ATT want the Icon so we stick with our old phones and Nokia sells less.

"They would sell alot more phones if they gave the people what they want."

..."so we stick with our old phones and Nokia sells less."

thank you!!

Same here, I would have happily paid $50-100 more for glance, as it's not really such a huge deal when you are already spending $600+ on a phone.

well then they should use the home buttons as notification lights. anything to alert us that we have a message waiting. I won't be buying it due to the glance and sd card omission.

I remember the days when Nokia had notification lights and camera buttons, even though the cameras back then were terrible. Of course, I'm only 20, so that's not really a long time ago for most people. My first phone was the fat Nokia xpressmusic slider on T-Mobile.

I have glance on my 1020. I never heard about it until recently. If I lost it now, "meh". Some of you lose your minds over the stupidest things.

A certain degree of intelligence is needed to understand the concept that something could be irrelevant for some while fundamental for others....

SD is necessary, foe scalability, I could care less about glance. But I would like all my music on one device without being handicapped by the cloud.

PUT A DRIVE ON YOUR PHONES NOKIA!!!!

If Samsung can do it, so can you!!!!

Form follows Function!

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