Lumia 1020 vs. iPhone 5S
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By the numbers: The iPhone 5S vs. the Lumia 1020

Earlier today, Apple announced two new phones – the iPhone 5S and 5C. The iPhone 5C is aimed at the “budget” minded crowd and features flirty colors for the phone itself. Budget is very subjective over at Apple HQ since the 16GB variant clocks in at $549 for off-contract pricing. Compared to the Lumia 520 which you can get for under $100 off-contract you have no competition.

But what about the new flagship device at Apple? How does the iPhone 5S compare to the Nokia Lumia 1020, the flagship Windows Phone device? We don’t have an iPhone 5S in our hands, but we can compare the numbers after the break.

Quick overview

Didn’t really care to follow the Apple news this morning? Here’s what’s the short version of what’s new with the iPhone 5S. The chassis is similar to that found on the iPhone 5. You’re going to be getting the same 4-inch display with 640 x 1136 pixels. What’s new is really on the inside. The chip powering the iPhone 5S is a new 64-bit A7 processor. Apple also put a new M7 motion processor in the iPhone 5S. This is a chip can continuously monitor and capture data from the accelerometer, compass, and gyroscope without using the main processor.

There’s a new camera for iFans that features an f/2.2 lens with a sensor that is 15% larger than last generations iPhone 5. The pixels are larger since Apple didn’t increase the megapixel count in the camera. It also captures video in slo-mo with a 120 frames-per-second mode.

And finally, Apple has added a fingerprint reader to the home button on the iPhone 5S. They’re calling the technology TouchID and it will serve as an easy way to quickly unlock your phone. (Completely off topic, but the funniest tweet I saw today about the iPhone and the fingerprint sensor was this one.) The tech it cool and it’ll be interesting to see how it plays over the next few months.

So how does Apple’s flagship device stack up against ours?

iPhone 5S vs Lumia 1020

Now obviously numbers don’t tell the complete picture and are only one part of device. But they do lead to some interesting discussions when comparing two devices.

What do you guys think of the new iPhone 5S? Sound off below.

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rx74ray says:

41 MP all the way ...

Well you convinced me. Selling my 5s to get a 1020.

jsnod25 says:

Hell you could sell the 5c and still afford the 1020!!!

Cellus13 says:

^Exactly! Over $500 off contract! And its "cheap"????? So apparently they definitely don't plan on competing against the 520, 620, and 625.

he_shark says:

Apple never said it was "cheap", the "C" is for color. They were never going to call it the "iPhone Cheap"; just was just silly rumours. But I agree they've shot themselves in the foot by not bringing out a cheaper device, just last years' model reduced 100 bucks as per normal (but with a plastic wrapper over it). Nothing to compete in the mid-range, let alone low-end of the market; I don't know what they are smoking at Apple HQ, but if they thought this could increase their market share they are crazy. C for "iPhone Crazy" iGuess.
Thank you Apple for handing the low-mid and corporate markets to Android and Windows Phone. I wonder how many corps were holding out for a cheaper iPhone and will now get their staff 720 and 820s.

sallyhats says:

Just the way they shot themselves by releasing a 499 ipad and never lowering the price or like the way they released an ipad mini and priced it more expensive then the rest of the industry. Yea, they're sales have plumeted. ipad mini is probably the best selling tablet to todate and spec wise it doesnt compare to something like a nexus.
 

Kiddo2050 says:

What are you smoking? iPad market share is below 50% now. Used to be 100% Apple's margins decline with every new lower-end product they put out.
The reason they can't put out an iPhone cheap is because they can't competitively build one and not steal their own market share.
Apple's  market share in everything they produce in the long run hovers at about 15% and that's where the iPhones are headed. Reason about 15 % of people are willing to overpay for products that do exactly the same thing every other product does.

ahmu86 says:

The last paragraph is too good...

tj321 says:

Yeah but that is a lot like the computer industry in the 1990s all over again. That is a vulnerable niche in the market - if nokiasoft make something insanely compelling in the future then that market share, low as it is, starts looking pretty vulnerable.
I raised an eyebrow when I saw the 5C. Its looks like a low-mid-range nokia, but for $550. Seriously? There is a company that has made an art form out of taking the piss.

tobz121 says:

and how's that Surface thing working out then??...
 

he_shark says:

I will ignore the sarcasm because without it you are actually correct.
Sure in terms of pure sales numbers Apple are doing well and no doubt Nokia would love such figures. But the fact is that despite being the company that pretty much created and defined both the smartphone and tablet market Apple have gone from being the dominant player to being overtaken by cheaper and lesser Android products. Now if they want to be a niche player, have 10-15% of the market and keep their high margins, that's fair enough. But I'm sure their shareholders would rather they came out with a bigger portfolio, had devices at more competive prices and thus increased sales.
They would then never have let Android capture so much of the market and would have much larger App Store sales vs hardware sales and at the same time a much larger following; to me that is the far smarter game and it's their arrogance that one or two products only is best and keeping things "premium" gives them a stronger brand and makes for more profits.
Sure I expect them to rake in many more millions than Nokia do for the foreseeable future, but continuing along their current path is giving their competition far more advantages than they need and it won't be long before even Nokia catch them as Samsung have done already.
I just Googled (sorry, didn't Bing It) "Apple Share Price" - down 5.72% today, which I feel backs up my logic. Oh and Nokia up 4.51%.

 

paulheu says:

"Hell you could sell the 5c and still afford the 1020!!!"
 
Actually, the 5c retails in the UK for the same price as the 1020..

Quite clever from Apple, actually, creating the impression that anybody running with a colorful phone just couldn't afford the real thing, champagne coloured iPhone.

Skunkwurx says:

Well I dont feel like giving the NSA my finger prints so i think i'll pass... people went nuts at xbox and kinect about it was an NSA love child.... If i'm not mistaken, i dont think the nsa is interested in looking at you open mouthed staring at a tv.... They will be interested in the 30 million + friends finger prints... I was going to say 1020 anyway... but when a snapdragon 800 powered Nokia comes out (not nessiceraly the 1520) it will eat this.... The camera lag Cnet complained about will be gone

Josh Harman says:

I'm pretty sure the NSA already has your fingerprints. Along with everyone else who's ever been arrested or gotten a drivers license.

Z10YkakPES says:

If you are from USA, they already have your fingerprint on file

John20212 says:

And if you are not from US but visited US.
 
Fingerprint scanner on a smartphone is the least you should be worried about in terms of privacy.

mister2d says:

Haven't you heard? That's why pennies are still in circulation. To get everyone's fingerprints.

kunalnanda says:

What they don't have is your contacts? What this can do is using your fingerprint and your phone contacts, NSA can establish your circle much more easily.

eshy says:

your contacts are saved in the cloud, they have them

simphf says:

From The Simpsons and they were talking about DNA.

nohra says:

Apple has said finger prints are encrypted on the device only. Now, of course, it all depends how much you trust Apple. I'm with you, I'll just enter a password. At least I know someone won't want to steal my thumb if they steal my phone...

Josh Harman says:

Yeah... that's what they say about message too, but that has been debunked.
Plus, recent revelations have said that the NSA has the ability to break nearly all encryptions.

Sumit8 says:

lol.... can't even describe how stupid your comment is

Rishicash says:

Fingerprints are nothing. Wait until they get your DNA!!!

wpguy says:

Actually, that is already in the works.

amcalexandre says:

Apple FINGER this ^^^

Rehan Saleem says:

Anways,fingerprints are need for the govt for safety. My fingerprint was taken in Saudi Arabia in the airport customs while the same in India too. What's the deal? One way or another, the govt gets you caz they run you and your country.

SteggyDad says:

It's Apple and I have a strong bias against them. Yup, just my opinion, YMMV

RyanAMG says:

Apple is smart as most iPhone users are elderly they always forget their password so the fingerprint scanner is going to help on support call ;)

Tense says:

What are you smoking? Have you ever strolled through a large city? Most people I've seen with iPhones are probably around 15-25. Actually, I've seen more older folk using 920s than iPhones. Although I tend to notice when someone has a WP more than iPhone.

RyanAMG says:

One learn what a joke is. Two most young people have Sammy phones from what I've seen and my job has me all over the US.

VernonEL says:

My 13 yo thinks that iPhones are for old people. So, yeah, that 18 - 25 range.
Seriously though, I'd say 75% of the people I know that have an iPhone are over the age of 40. Then again, that isn't real old either.

Kiddo2050 says:

In the above discussion substitute "people" for Americans. Apple's market share outside the US is pathetic and declining. Remember about 50% market share in the US and 14% world wide, what does that say about their market share in the rest of the world?

R0bR says:

I also travel for business and see the same, Samsung for the younger generation and older folks on iPhone.

lancguy says:

Thank you r0br, I thought I might have to start looking for mt AARP membership invite from the way everyone was talking. Though I gotta admit I have never owned, nor am interested in an iPhone. However, when the iPhone first came out, both my parents got one. It never made any sense, my dad avoids the internet and computers like the plague. He only got them because he was told that they were the best. For all those years, he paid for 2 data plans that they never used.

Mayur says:

So, what are you saying? WP is for middle ages...like us...:-/

SwimSwim says:

Don't get carried away, I'm the humble age of 15, and I carefully fully observe the phones people are using at a school, very carefully.

School started just a week ago, and already I've noticed 10 Windows Phones in circulation, which is more than I noticed in an entire school year last year, and I've still got what I believe to be 37 weeks of school left.

I notice that the 520 and 521 and popular amongst families on a budget, while more premier Windows Phones like the 920 and HTC 8X reign amongst the "cool" and "hip" kids. I'm the odd one out, from my observations, seeing as I'm a big ol' tech nerd.

But nonetheless, this is great news, it means Windows Phone is starting to resonate amongst kids. Granted, I've had one friend complain about app availability, but that's still progress, seeing as just a year ago, I was the only one of my friends who had even heard of Windows Phone. I also saw a kid at lunch yesterday using a Surface, touch-cover and all. First Surface I've seen in the wild be used by a kid, and the second I've seen in the wild altogether.

So while Microsoft does have a long way to go (right now, the social stigma in my whole county is that iPhones are the best phones in town, even though no one can really muster any evidence to support that claim), but this is indeed progress. And knowing that a couple of these newfound Windows Phone owners are quite popular and trend setters, this could help a new wave of a Windows Phones hit my school, especially with the iPhone 5S being such a let down.

Sorry for such a long rambling post, but I just like to ramble on, much like how I love people watching (hence the data provided for this article).

TonyDedrick says:

I don't know. I live and work in a pretty big college town here in Western Mass and most of the students and just people 18-30 have iPhones. I do see quite a bit of Samsung devices. But its iPhone country here in Amherst and at UMass

RyanAMG says:

The part of LA I live in if you drive a German car its a Merc Orange County mostly BMW same with Ford and Chevy the F-150 is the best selling truck but I see more Chevy's. Some places you see more iPhones and others you see Sammy's.

exolent says:

I live in western mass also, iPhones everywhere

slap0rama says:

I live in Eastern Mass and I see mostly iPhones around.

"Apple is smart as most iPhone users are elderly they always forget their password so the fingerprint scanner is going to help on support call ;)"
 
iPhone users are so dumb they'd probably forget their fingerprints too.

Grizlyadams says:

hah ha! Shouldn't laugh, but that made me chuckle. :-)

SwimSwim says:

Best thing I've read today, perfect!

Gilceleb says:

I live in France and I see a lot Sammy's android devices, and also some ATIV S, but very often a Lumia since our country seems to adopting WP faster. IPhone market share is now reaching by WP in France.

purevibz says:

1020 win every time screw the ifruit.

zr2s10 says:

EPIC, lol.  These new iPhones, sorry, iMonkeys are coming out about the same time as the new season of South Park!

DavidinCT says:

The iFruit is a GTA thing.... Yea, I have GTA 5 on the mind too.... 6 more days...

aitt says:

But but it has a gold chasis

xratola says:

As nokia's tweet says Real gangsters don't use golden phones lol

WinFan1 says:

Warlords use golden ak's so maybe that's the market they are targeting lol.

JoRdaNeK says:

I have a gold Nokia Sirocco :(

justmoe40 says:

don't even think it is gold just colour. only nokia makes real gold phones.

Z10YkakPES says:

Hell yeah 8801 serious, golden, titanium and diamond screen, loved that phone

adrian1338 says:

They used to own vertu

IceDree says:

Motorola? They made a solid gold RAZR , RAZR V8 , Aurora ...

zvery777 says:

Who cares of the color, u have to get a case for it anyway, or if u drop it, it will be the most expensive color u had to replace!

WinFan1 says:

Lumia 1020 :)

NIST says:

I think Apple just gave Microsoft and Nokia the break they needed. There isn't really one outstanding feature that would compel someone to trade up to a 5S. The coloring is widely known as a Windows Phone characteristic and Nokia has established itself as a premium handset maker with unique leading edge design, so apple really comes off as looking like its just borrowing from all over the place. Very uninspired. But if this is it for their release cycle for the iPhone, they handed Windows Phone a huge opportunity. I just want to see where this 1020 improves next year.

pickypg says:

Plus the coloring is on the equivalent to the iPhone 5: the iPhone 5C. That would be equivalent to buying an Lumia 920--a nice device that is still last year's technology.

iamoniwaban says:

Plus. With all the ugly huge outterbox cases they use, the colors don't matter. If that's apples selling feature, I feel sad for them.

VernonEL says:

To be fair, I think less cases will be used on the 5C. For one, the colors invite the showing off of the device, and secondly, the "polycarbonate" has got to be more durable.

spitothec says:

The same could be said for our phones, but the majority of people are willing to sacrifice beauty for durability.

Kiddo2050 says:

Hmm so actually the 5Cis the better phone, it's certainly the better deal if you use any kind of case. Apple's margins will be slip sliding away withe every 5C sale.

wpguy says:

And yet how many people here carry on about red vs yellow vs cyan... ;)

skshandilya says:

The price drop for 1020 is a nice thing to do, and at the correct time. but unfortunately guys who already bought the 1020 will be pissed off.
Waiting for 1020 in my country here. I hope they release the phone the same day iphone gets released here. Out here the 32 gb iphone will be around $700, $$$!! if the iphone 5C is 540 it is still $$!. the 1020 is expected to be priced around $400-$450. Lumia is going to sell like crazy here. All folks going for iphone will switch to WP. All prices are off contract, all phones are sold unlocked in my country.

lancguy says:

Yeah NIST, but I know plenty of people that have to have that new iPhone on release, even if they just upgraded. I am very happy with my 920. As long as nokia/microsoft continue to support it for the next 14 months, I'll be very happy

Sean D. says:

Yeah, but apple fans tend to be smug, and upity about even the slighteset "upgrades" (read:nothing)
They are blindly dedicated to their overlord, and refuse to see, let alone accpet that they are getting screwed.
 
And even worse than that no matter how much apple *borrows* from other OS's, or hardware they still don't acknowledge the existence of those features until apple has them. So they really never even relaize just how much apple copies... to them, it's "original", and "genius".
Adding colors, the flat designs of the OS... it's ALL Windows Phone. But it will go largely unnoticed.
 

My brother has chosen the iPhone over the 1020 for 4 reasons: size, weight, the lack of good medical apps on WP and the enormous hump on the 1020.

coderjones says:

Yeah, my brother got an iPhone for the apps.  He's a band director, and there are a lot more quality music education related apps.  He was deciding between a Sammy Odessey and an iPhone 4.  My parents are feature phone users though, and most likely will go with a WP8 phone.

I'll have todisagree. Apple has been playing this game of minuscule changes for a few years now. Microsoft hasn't gained ground on that fact, at least not in a major way. All Apple has done since probably the 3GS is up the screen to 4", then copy hardware features (such as adding LTE) a year after the competition, yet they sell devices like crazy.
 
Yes, Apple's 5C lineup is a blatant rip-off of the Lumia color and design scheme (polycarbonate), but Apple's lived off of copying for years now, and they've lived well.

Kajix75 says:

Not since 3GS, but since iPhone 1

TheCat123 says:

...why do you say "Microsoft has't gained ground..."?  Microsoft didn't produce any WP-Phones so far. You should address this complaint to HTC, Samsung and the others manufacturers who only supported WP less than half heartly. Now with Microsoft having direct access to Nokia technologie, R&D and manufacturing capabilities, I am sure that this will change the game in an interesting way...

GunplaGamer says:

I am an iOS developer and I rather have a 1020 (currently have a 920) over the 5S. I would just like to have a 5S so I can play around with it ;D

Shad0wguy says:

There is never a compelling reason to upgrade to the newest iPhone, but they will sell like hotcakes because of all the iSheep who need the latest and greatest as a status symbol.

NIST says:

I'm not saying they won't sell. There are definitely ipeople out there that only want an iPhone or gravitate to it by default by virtue of its large awareness. I'm saying that typically if you're only releasing one phone in a year, you need to put your best foot forward and place your device with with enough advancements to be ahead of the pack so that you stand out, put yourself in the lead again and provide a new baseline or standards for others to compare to or match. On nearly every spec the iPhone 5S does none of that. However on the Windows Phone and more specifically Nokia the Lumia 1020 is a much more advanced piece of technology, and that's technology that's useable. What's missing in the iPhone 5S solidifies Nokias ability to really push the boundaries of what a smartphone can do and be. From OIS to NFC and wireless charging to HAAC to the Clear black polarizer to the camera grip, Pure Motion 60hz sub field, Carl Zeiss 6 element lens, the list just goes on and on of what the new Iphone does NOT have. I feel even better for having a Nokia 1020. Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a new iPhone 5S? Definitely.

SwimSwim says:

+1020, you're spot on.

K_lando says:

Exactly.
We're now at a point where most consumers lean towards a certain type already.  The iPhone 5 is great for people who love iPhones, but there aren't any outstanding features that would convince someone to switch to iPhone if they are already using Android or WP.

Bill-Murray says:

I have been on the iPhone since the original.
I sold my iPhone 5 on Sep 21 to Gazelle for $335 and never looked back.
The Lumia is hands down twice the phone the iPhone is... I just love it!
 

Shambels says:

Well I got to say the Lumia wins!! Unfortunately the 5S will sell like crazy because the world is stupid...

WinFan1 says:

True that. Its sad that great phones don't get the recognition they deserve. I wish Microsoft would hire me to sell their products. As a user of their products and someone who knows first hand how good they are I know I could convince people into getting them.

theonedunn says:

Ben Rudolph beat you to it

WinFan1 says:

I love Ben he is an awesome advocate I mean more in retail lol unfortunately they don't pay very well in retail :(

Zamir Yusof says:

my dilemma as well. I can convince people to use windows phone, because I see a lot of potential here where iPhone is expensive and cheap android phone will give you headache but then they don't pay  much to the promoter. 

elderjlward says:

I hear you on that. I have influenced my wife(Focus then 920), my mother,(Focus) three sister in laws( two 928s one 520)a brother(Huweii W1) and indirectly( through my wife) my father in law (Focus Flash then 920)all to get Windows Phones. My sister also purchased a Focus from eBay, but the device was faulty from the seller and was returned. I'm currently sporting the 1020, as a recent upgrade from the Titan. Had the Tilt 2, Tilt 1 and two Cingular 2125's. Windows all the way.

SwimSwim says:

Yup, I'm a big walking advertisement for Nokia. My local Microsoft Store actually has a retail job opening I'd be /PERFECT/ for (Walking around the Store, helping customers discover and learn about the wonders of the WIndows Ecosystem). I'd love such a job, hell, I'd do it for free, it sounds fun, the money would just be a bonus!

Sadly, I'm only 15, and I don't meet the basic requirements. And even if I did, I'm far too busy with school, swimming ,and other commitments that fill my schedule. Disappointing, but maybe sometime later on.

But I do have a confession, whenever I go to a Microsoft Store to have some kind of service done, they sometimes disappear into the back for awhile and tell you to enjoy the Store while you wait. I must admit, I voluntarily go around talking about and pitching WIndows products to people. Still, I did get a guy who was concerned that the Lumia 1020 focused more on the camera rather than overall experience to give it some more thought. He was especially intrigued by the 7GB of free SkyDrive storage.

xratola says:

What I've realized studying marketing is that consumers are stupid, and will buy everything if you give them reasons for...

UzaiBaka says:

Or they legitimately like what the iPhone and its ecosystem offer? ...naawww that would be to logical.

WinFan1 says:

I feel that certain people get so used to something they end up becoming biased. Having used every phone that is currently out I know windows works for me. I feel some people just become smug.

Zakriel says:

No, you are wrong. Next!

WinFan1 says:

Me or the other guy? Lol

TonyDedrick says:

Could very well be the case.

Vlad T says:

You must be the brain, keeping the world afloat? Ll

jsnod25 says:

Well that's because the iPhone can upload to instagram and windows cannot...

SwimSwim says:

I pray thee, this best be sarcasm, or otherwise we shall all tear you limb from limb, then stone you to death with out incredibly durable Lumias. :P

iamoniwaban says:

I don't know, I have die hard iPhone friends. And they are all pissed at the lack of invocation and at the end of the day will have exactly the same phone, but pink and they can stick their finger on it. Does the finger print work with gloves on? :P

The 5c doesn't have the fingerprint reader, only the 5s. The 5c is basically last years 5 but with the polycarbonate color shells.

GunplaGamer says:

Yeah I agree Lumia wins hands down, except for the processor. That 64bit A7 is sexy ;D but everything else, 1020 all the way.

Kiddo2050 says:

Actually mainly Americans.

fraztto says:

The same as iPhone 5, isheeps gonna hate.

nokiauser911 says:

Ifans: no we have a new name with "s" so innovative

Jack Larson1 says:

iphone 4S & Samsung S4

:)

And isn't the Lumia 1020 exactly the same as 920 except the camera? Let's not be hypocritical.

Cellus13 says:

But the camera is ACTUALLY innovative and revolutionary with greatly improved features people actually use everyday, the camera. It's better than every smartphone camera on the market for now. The only thing that matches it is the PureView 808.

adrian1338 says:

And ram and screen but true. It therefor has no wireless charging

RafRol says:

Don't forget the barometer.

SwimSwim says:

Speaking of which, what's the point in that? The only other phone on the market to have a barometer is the Samsung GS4, and it's not like we have any apps on Windows Phone that allow us to use it.

Honestly, what was the point in including it if it's literally useless?

DalekSnare says:

But the 1020 isn't the successor to the 920. That "20" at the end means they are in the same generation. We'll see how much better the 940 (or whatever it's called) is when it's announced.

K_lando says:

Well,  I hate to defend Apple here because I'm not a fan of iPhone at all... but what you've described is exactly what the '5' means in iPhone5.  5S and 5C are NOT next gen, but refresh of the same generation.
 
I just don't like iPhone.  That's all.  I don't see why I need to find things to pick on to justify that.  Its the lame game that fAndroids and other fanboys play and its so old now.

corbyj says:

and a different lense than the 920
 

rodneyej says:

I love the new iPhone❗

bigbosseby says:

Iphone 5s has been absolute fail. Its too expensive for an average smartphone user with all the choices out there and there is no enough reason for an existing iphone user to upgrade!

Josh Harman says:

Its just a tad early to say its a fail, since it hasn't came out yet... and never underestimate the herd of isheep.

SwimSwim says:

Exactly, despite this being an underwhelming device, so was the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5, yet they both broke records. Granted, this is more underwhelming than both of those combined, but still, my point stands.

Maybe this time 'round, Apple users will see the light, and migrate to Android or (preferably) Windows Phone. But as always, never underestimate the iHerd, they're all iDiots and must be dealt with carefully, as reason and common sense are foreign concepts to them (Apple refuses to add that feature to their product lineup).

MediaCastleX says:

I understand performance improvements, but if they keep reintroducing what they consider "state of the art" processing, what exactly are they improving and is it really necessary? =[

xratola says:

Also laptops had, and where do you see that "innovative" technology? Yep almost obsolete... It's not really useful as iSheep are going to say

RyanAMG says:

Did you read the page you posted? Just asking. If you did have someone read for you.

Deamion says:

You are correct. My LG IQ (GW825) from almost 4 years ago had one, and it worked quite well.

Paul May says:

This was the argument I made to a friend of mine this evening. I owned the LG Expo. Great device with a custom rom, and way ahead of its time. It was also featured in the green lantern movie. But this type of technology has been done. And the iPhone is just stealing the colors of handsets from Nokia. Zero innovation.

Sean D. says:

It's not what you posted, but yes there were biometrics back with Windows Mobile. Nothing worth noting though.
But then again, a lot of things go ognored until apple "borrows" it.
 

DavidinCT says:

Yea, my old HP iPaq 5450 (you can get one on ebay cheap) had a finger print scanner on it... It worked pretty well too...

Jastow says:

It was/is a fake fingerprint scanner app.  It unlocks the device based on how many times the fake scanner bar goes up and down, a setting you can change...probably not what you were looking for.

chataddicted says:

although iphone 5s launched after three month from l1020 i think still l1020 is better than iphone 5s. is not it??

Fritzly says:

Personally, my favorite one is still the 920, which I own. I was not impressed by the 925, I consider the 1020 a niche device and I am not interested in the iPhone. If Nokia will release a 1080, quad core, no more than 5" device with polycarbonate body that would be my next phone.

sholokov says:

I know what you are saying. I miss my 920, and its solid feel.

VernonEL says:

My 920 is the first phone I've had for nearly a year. I'm very satisfied with it, but even more so, I wasn't drawn to the 1020 as some have been. I just want a solid GDR3 device this fall that isn't enormous.

uopjo6 says:

+1. Been a year since my 920 purchase. Still feels up to date till this day after seeing all the "new" announcements. Solid - Smooth - Sexy.

MediaCastleX says:

You really didn't like the 925? The extra lens element, 8.7MP came-eh, I don't care. Windows Phone Lumia, all of em are good for different people...not for all of us, but for each of us. ;)

DalekSnare says:

My favorite is the 920 because wireless charging is integrated and it has a full RGB stripe screen. I'm allergic to PenTile. But I'm so jealous of the 1020's camera! I've tried it in stores and it's just amazing.

slsterling says:

+920. I've had two & would buy one over the 1020 again, which isn't enough of an upgrade IMO.

wtf808 says:

Nice, but not earth shattering.

VernonEL says:

As far as displays, "less shattering" was a good thing for the iPhone.

GunplaGamer says:

My gf dropped her i5 on the carpet at our job and it shattered the screen xD

rdubmu says:

I honestly think that if the 1020 had 64 gigs of memory it would clearly be the winner, but as a smartphone, the winner is the Iphone 5s. 
I am thinking the next generation of the Lumia line will easily make this the front runner, hopefully this is sooner and not later.
 
The only reason why I say this about the memory, my 920 with 32 gigs is full of memory....sucks. 

WinFan1 says:

How is it the clear winner the Lumia is meant to be used in conjunction with cloud storage.

Tense says:

Not really. But either way, sacrificing built in storage for cloud storage is really stupid imo.

WinFan1 says:

Not disagreeing with you just saying lol

Jack Larson1 says:

There is an att app to get another 50 gigs of storage free apparently.
the 1020 has 32 gigs built in, plus another 50 for pics, etc.
What do you guys think?

WinFan1 says:

The locker app right I've never used a 1020 but I assume that's the one your talking about.

jayrod213 says:

I use At&t Locker. It's the only way I was able to get my music from my XP PC to my 920. I have all of my music in the cloud and stream at will. It's great.

Jack Larson1 says:

Yep that's the one

justmoe40 says:

there is not a single thing an iphone does as a smartphone that a lumia can not do.

jsnod25 says:

Except upload pics to instagram, and integrate Facebook into the OS, according to Molly over at cnet...

sholokov says:

Lol... I wanted to grab her and shake her, so she can wake up, open her eyes and see what she's saying.

jsnod25 says:

Yeah, but unfortunately the camera is a gimmick that takes really good photos... So that's a bummer too!

rodneyej says:

She's hot.. Her comments made me want to punish her in sexual ways❗❗❗

SwimSwim says:

Indeed, that was the single worst piece and excuse for journalism I've seen in years, and I read Yahoo! News.

jayrod213 says:

I'm a little surprised that Apple still hasn't added NFC. That's something WP8 and Android have over them again.

rodneyej says:

That's true, but in all honesty what real everyday use have we got out of having NFC on our current devices❔... I don't blame Apple for waiting until its more prevalent.. You know they are planning on having it on the iP6 and telling the world it was there idea.. But, as annoying as that is you have to think,, why doesn't MS/Nokia take some of these innovations and run with it before Apple does❔... Nokia could've suggested to the world that the invented wireless charging, super sensitive screens, and so on... When the iP6 comes out Apple will show a huge ad with someone using their iPhone with gloves on, and the world will once again think Apple is amazing... Whose fault is that❓.... This seriously pisses me off, so I blame Lumiasofts marketing team... Now I'm just freakin pissed off over here... Fuck❗

SwimSwim says:

NFC has so much potential, but it sadly won't be realized unless Apple adds it. I hate to say it, but it's true.

WIndows Phone has the unified system to make mass rollout easy, but sadly, it doesn't have the market share. Android has the market share, but is far too fragmented to seamlessly roll out NFC support (as we've seen).

Until Apple embraces it, or Windows Phone has a dramatic growth spurt and takes real prevalence in the market, NFC is doomed to remain a gimmick. Disappointing, really, so much potential, gone to waste...

VernonEL says:

All I can think of is that Slo-Mo feature/gimmick. The fingerprint scanner would be a wasted feature on any other device. Apple somehow gets people to love their "innovations" better. For that; kuddos.

rodneyej says:

Actually, I would love to have slow motion playback on my future Lumia.. That would be bad ass❗... Lumiasoft is supposed to be the leader in camera technology, and if I want to playback my friend, busting his ass on some ice this winter, in slow motion,, I should be able to.... Lol❕... Naw, but for real, that's a cool feature....

matfantastic says:

I like windows phone like everyone else here but the iPhone 5s is a hell of a phone, you can't go wrong with either in my opinion.

WinFan1 says:

No you can't, preference is preference.

RyanAMG says:

Yep the elderly need phones as well.

rodneyej says:

Right... Lol❕.. And the kids need hand me downs after the adults UPGRADE to Lumias...

markdotinc says:

Am I missing something? The processors beast, but that's about it...

RyanAMG says:

That's all it takes to get isheep happy and say how innovative Apple is ;)

jsnod25 says:

But it has TBD RAM! That's innovation if I've ever seen it! And never before has a device had a fingerprint scanner. I didn't know how much I needed one till now!!!

Jack Larson1 says:

Especially since all of those fingerprint apps IOS has ...

chataddicted says:

dont worry bro.. next lumia will comming with ratina unlocking features.. lol.. dont give priority to these simple features... which r childish.. like siri plz told my name again.. ur name is blablabla. ur finger print is matcher u r entering to future.. apple never disclose their ram and processor power.. they always told it s A6 next A7 and so on.. whats the actual capasity?? its 2x faster than A6. ok but does it 2x faster than quad core?? how do we know??

Mad Strings says:

Motorola Atrix and Atrix 2 both had it.

Bloobed says:

iPhone is really the only high end 4 inch device around. Some people do not like big phones, and for them it is perfect. They still have the best apps, and are now set to have a better SoC than the next gen WP (like  they did this gen).
 
I still prefer WP (and NFC), but with competition like that, it is easy to see why growing market share is so difficult for newcomers to the smartphone market.

Jastow says:

I agree about the size and was initially reluctant to get the 920, but am now used to the Lumia's size and weight.  I still prefer the size and shape of the IPhone 4, but got bored with that OS, even with it being jailbroken.  
To remain competitive, I believe NOkia will have to upgrade the hardware, to include the 1020's (despite having a great camera), or people in America will go elsewhere.  WP and Nokia just don't have the following like Apple and Android have.   

dazorange says:

Get out of here with your voice of reason! but seriously. I'd still prefer the Lumia. However iPhone does have the draw of a well functioning OS with pretty much every app you'd ever want. I'd love to have access to celtx for example.

MikeSo says:

At least the days when they could have announced an iBrick and everyone would've eaten it up seem to be behind us. Skepticism about whether the xS upgrades are worth it seems to still be rather prevalent. I think the fingerprint scanner is a really cool idea, remains to be seen if it works well or if it's an Apple Maps or Antenna... Other than that, meh. Nothing worth the excitement.

rodneyej says:

The slow motion playback is pretty cool.. We should ask Lumiasoft for this.....

MikeSo says:

I'm pretty sure it's slow-motion recording, not just playback. That is pretty cool, though I think it's more of a novelty, certainly not worth upgrading the phone for.

cae758 says:

At least with an iPhone, I'd get an OS update like everyone else... Way to fail AT&T and Nokia by disgruntled L920 owner.

I'd assume with how transparent Nokia has been with the process, that the blame lies almost solely on AT&T.

g_davis5 says:

+5 to mattmillerwastaken for having a brain

Josh Harman says:

Could be, but it has also been revealed that Nokia was late with Amber and that's what slowed down the initial GDR2 release... of course that doesn't explain why others have gotten it before AT&T.

MediaCastleX says:

You know that's only because Apple has everyone by the business end of their tail... O_o

London Jr says:

a 64-bit processor is huge, I think that was the biggest news of the day, that will work wonders for the multitasking and browsing capabilities of the device along with the graphics power, I can't see any other aspect where the differences would be distinct... just imagine a windows phone with one of those... talk about porting windows 8 apps being seemless

mondokjm says:

So, can I crack open a 5S and run Windows RT on it? I think that would be enjoyable.

Tense says:

I'd love to see that. Even if it wasn't running in a completely useable condition, just booting up W8 RT on a 5S would be ironically cool.

London Jr says:

haha wait, what? how'd u guys get from a windows phone with 64 bit processor to a 5s running win8... imaginations running wild here...

jsnod25 says:

Because the iPhone 5s is using a 64 bit ARM processor, very much so the same architecture that windows RT runs on... Not so much an imagination gone wild, as it is a technical possibility.

London Jr says:

yea tru, just a tangent more than anything

sepatown says:

Just to be clear there's no 64bit Windows RT yet.

RyanAMG says:

I have a client that loves Mac hardware but like W7 so all hardware is Mac and all OS is W7 its kinda funny seeing iSheep get mad at him for doing it.

London Jr says:

the 64 bit chip is still ahead of its time no doubt, and while it may not be fully needed the fact that as long as the apps are written for it and the system uses it, it allows the mobile device so much more room to breath, be efficient, and be speedy with room for improvement... that opinion piece points out some good things but misses out on the praise of the chip

lancguy says:

So that kinda begs the question on ApS. Won't those hundreds of millions of ApS have to be ported over to the 64bit architecture?

You realize that's irrelevant right? Nothing but a marketing tool. Everything developed for smartphones is developed for 32bit. Not only that, 64bit is only useful at over 4g RAM which no mobile device currently or will have until they figure out how to significantly increase battery power/life

London Jr says:

not irrelevant at all, as long as the applications are written for 64bit u will see a difference, so yes the apps would hav to be coded for that, and the usefulness is another story, ram is one thing, as long the CPU bus and the ram can handle the speed of the data, which there's no doubt it does, then u will see that quoted "2x" performance increase, the size of the ram will cause an even greater performance increase, a 32 to 64 bit transition will help in those areas I stated, the speed the architecture is able to communicate with other driver on the device and process graphics... for example, ur phone may be able to get a down stream of 21 gbs on LTE, but then it depends on how fast that data is processed by the CPU, which is why lte is more of a gimmick, because those DL don't matter if its limited by the processor...

KelvBlue says:

Writing an apps for 64 bit, you essentially cut off the whole iPhone marketshare and limit yourself to a tiny fraction of 5S owners.

London Jr says:

yea, don't forgot tho, its the same almost as writing apps for wp7 & wp8.... and iphone does not have the same problem as WP as far as getting developers to write apps let along write apps with fragmentation... plus I have no doubt that mostly those apps that would take advantage of 64 bits would be rewritten

Mike Dimmick says:

All CPUs are constrained by the speed of the RAM. The CPU can execute thousands of cycles in the time it takes for the RAM to deliver the next piece of information. That's why CPUs all have internal caches, and indeed several levels of caching, so that information it used recently - or predicts it will need soon - can be in closer, faster storage. If the CPU makes an incorrect prediction, or the software isn't well-organized, the CPU will 'stall' (stop executing instructions) until the required instructions or data arrive.
 
The width of the path from the CPU to the RAM has nothing to do with the CPU's internal register width. Cache line sizes of 64 or 128 bytes - 512 or 1024 bits - are common. In a PC, a greater cache line size means more RAM chips are required and more wires from the CPU to the RAM chips.
 
LTE is likely to be actually implemented by a separate modem chip or IPCore, not by a main CPU core. The LTE processor should perform Direct Memory Access to save the downloaded data to main memory without bothering the CPU (although it will steal some memory cycles, possibly causing the CPU to stall) and then interrupt a CPU core to tell it that data has arrived. Nearly all I/O on modern devices is done by DMA and interrupt, not by OS or driver software directly talking to hardware. LTE-Advanced is currently specified to hit 1Gbps, but only under extremely unlikely circumstances - that data rate requires 100 MHz of spectrum assigned to the channel (carriers use 5 or 10 MHz), 8 transmit and receive antennas (most phones have 2), you're practically standing on the base station (performance decreases with distance from the base station as it has to add more error-correction overhead) and that no-one else is using that cell (bandwidth is shared between all phones associated with a cell).
 
The only cases where a 64-bit processor has any advantage over a 32-bit processor are when processing very large numbers - bigger than 2 billion - and to allow a single app to easily work with more than 2 GB of data. Very few operations in an app require those very large numbers, 32 bits is usually more than enough for most calculations. Even when a 32-bit processor is working with 64-bit numbers, the two halves of the larger numbers can usually be computed simultaneously (the core has a number of arithmetic-logic-units which can work on more than one item) - depending on what other instructions can be executed without stalling on memory accesses, it may take no longer than on a 64-bit processor. It will take twice as many registers, meaning they're not available for something else. The app has to be recompiled to take advantage of the 64-bit processor, anyway.
 
The second issue only comes up when an app wants to work with more than 2GB of data. If a tablet or phone has more than 4GB of RAM, it's not a problem - 32-bit ARM processors can support Large Physical Address Extensions, allowing the OS to handle up to 40 bits of address space (1 TB). The OS can allocate as much RAM to the app as the app wants, up to 2GB. You only need 64-bit to go over that 2GB. (Some operating systems allow 32-bit apps to allocate extra physical memory on top of that, but the app is responsible for switching bits of that extra memory into and out of areas of their address space. This is a pain and very few apps do it.)

London Jr says:

thanks mike for banging out the specifics, I thought the speed was limit to the amount of ram, and that theoretically, the CPU should perform some functions faster as long as apps were written for 64-bit. I have to ask tho,because I was convinced that the mobile devices lte and other data peripherals relied heavily on a mobile cpu's chipset. but are u sure that lte chip barely uses the CPU?

James8561 says:

the 32 GB vs 16 GB at the same price is enough argument for windows phone.

UzaiBaka says:

You forgot to factor in other storage.

WinFan1 says:

Nokia has implemented a solution for that.

kullkid92x says:

Not just Nokia, but Microsoft with GDR2.

I've already witnessed this myself with the lumia 925 I have. Every other week I see it 'clean itself' cause with Nokias storage solution cleaning the temp files doesn't remove much. But when the OS seems to do this 'clean up' when I go to Nokias storage settings I see the temp files waaay down :)

thank god cuz I was getting pissed lol the phones other storage went up to 1.4GB -___- then last night it dropped down to 910MB.

UzaiBaka says:

Yeah the fix doesn't work for every gdr2 device...its really hit or miss.

Tense says:

I'd much rather carry around an iPhone 5S than that brick of a phone. It's waaay to big for me.
With that being said, there are still many WP8s I'd prefer over the 5S.

jsnod25 says:

"waaay too big for me" said no woman ever...

VernonEL says:

You've obviously not had any woman say that to you.

Sorry, I just had to.

jsnod25 says:

Those words are what no man wants to hear... In the end, it means your not getting any.

Jack Larson1 says:

Could be used as a lethal weapon, then document the evidence in crisp, airy FORTY-ONE mp picture. Or as a photographer's best friend. You decide. I like the brick 1020 insecurityDestroyer V2*
*v2 because of the underappreciated pureview 808 cinderblock.
I give you credit for choosing wp8 phones over iPhone 5s though.

MediaCastleX says:

It wouldn't be a brick at all, it would balance out and probably be pretty light... =P

Tense says:

Hm. This is close for me. I personally dislike the 1020 with that massive camera it boasts. The 5S is beautifully designed, but honestly there's not too much innovation going on here; nothing comparable to what Siri was. Sure, it'll ship with iOS 7, but it's not like you won't be able to upgrade the 5. Personally I'd choose the 925 over the 5S over the 1020.

Just bought a 925 last week. One of the best looking phones available. Looks almost as pretty as my HTC One.

kullkid92x says:

Dude I am showing off this phone everywhere I go lol specially the low light pictures at bars.

And I to come from HTC's great hardware offerings, I still have my Evo LTE with me :)

In all honestly, the 5S isn't that bad. In fact, it is actually quite good. I still prefer the 1020 though. :)

WinFan1 says:

Hey unstoppable 8-) I saw you over at imore today :D

I know I was. I'm not ditching my windows phone though, for now.

WinFan1 says:

I was over there too skulking the im the articles. I don't think I'll leave windows phone for a while. I love windows phone im a practical user. Windows phone always serves my needs perfectly. Lol

Same, except maybe a few features. I just want to have one windows phone (check), one android phone (check), one iPhone, one windows tablet/PC (check), one android tablet (slightly check, the Nook HD+ isn't mine, and it is meh), and one iPad (check). I'll get an iPhone in that list next year, when the 6 comes out. No BlackBerry for me.

MediaCastleX says:

Ah, an omnitech user...lol =P

chataddicted says:

dude whats ur plan to open an electronics shop??? lol

TheZuneLune says:

Easy to overlook that the iPhone will not have 4G voice. Using 3G for voice. 

Everything still using cellular chips bud... There is no voice over LTE anywhere

MediaCastleX says:

No VOLTE, really..? =[

Jack Larson1 says:

The 1020 has a barometer?!?!

to me, it seems that the 1020 wins in the specs category, but some of the i5s stuff is unknown...

sholokov says:

I believe it is used for calculating elevation.

VernonEL says:

Possibly, but regular GPS will calculate elevation as well. As of right now, I know of no specific app that utilizes the barometer in the 1020.

MediaCastleX says:

Not even any weather apps..? =[

VernonEL says:

Taking advantage of an on-board barometer is an obvious task for a weather app, but l still don't know of any app in particular. It seems all the apps are still just pulling date down from somewhere, not collecting temperature / pressure yet. I'm looking forward to us moving forward to this kind of crowdsourcing, though.

Witness says:

This. I'm just reading through the specs, and I didn't know that. Someone needs to make an app to use it ASAP. Perhaps a new fart app that measures the pressure created from the gas - lol.

Zulfigar says:

I'd actually like to see how the fingerprint reader works, wouldn't it be akward to hold the bottom of the phone for a second just to unlock it? I suppose we'll see.

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