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Report: Update for Windows 8.1 will enable boot to desktop as default

Windows 8.1 Boot to desktop

Build is right around the corner. It starts on April 2nd to be exact. Build is going to bring a flurry of news for the Windows Phone faithful, but there’s also going to be some cool info on Windows 8 and Xbox One. On the Windows front, here’s a new report to tide you over another few months. The next update for Windows 8.1, called Update 1, will boot straight to the desktop by default.

Windows leaker, Wzor, shared another internal build of Windows 8.1 Update 1 where “boot to desktop” is enabled by default. Speaking with internal sources at Microsoft, Tom Warren from The Verge adds that this recent change will make it as default for the consumer release of Windows 8.1 Update 1.

The reason? To make improve Windows 8 for mice and keyboard users. It’s not too hard to understand Microsoft’s reasoning for the change, but we think devices like the Surface 2 would best be served by not having boot to desktop as the default. Devices like the Surface Pro 2 or your desktop is where a change would make the most sense.

Rumometer 5

Is boot to desktop enabled by default a good move by Microsoft or a bad one? Sound off below.

Update: Mary Jo Foley has heard from sources that boot to desktop might not actually be enabled by default with Update 1 for Windows 8.1. We've since dropped the rumometer rating from an 8 down to a 5. 

Source: The Verge, Wzor

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cdbstl76 says:

I'll just have to change it so it doesn't.

Weird, but my windows 8 laptop already does this. Makes me wonder what the hell? But mine always boots directly to desktop. Kind of worries me as I thought this was just normally how it worked!

sholokov says:

Its an option. Right click on taskbar and click properties. Then select Navigation tab and you will see it under "Start Screen" section. You must have enabled it there.

startrunner says:

You probably have a desktop program on Startup.

stui83 says:

Yes they realise that the more intelligent users prefer the start screen and are therefore more capable of changing the default back to the start screen. I'm waiting for the PCMAG article "How to modernise your win8.1 in a few simple clicks" , then consumers will think metro is some awesome hack.

Anguis says:

That's hilarious!

Exactly! Besides setting a default Boolean variable from false to true, is there any interesting new feature or real cool improvement coming to Windows 8.1 update? Like something for the VLC team to deliver the GODDAMNED player already!! OR the Hyper-V with native file sharing support to cut these guys some slack!

dumaal says:

Microsoft knows people dont want their new start screen on desktops, but they want to change people mind even against their will. However, criticism being so high on this particular issue they need to make concessions, so with every version of windows they make a small step back so people will not consider them being extremely impertinent. It's a calculated move. Eventually, the start menu will return the way it was because some people will never take a disfunctional solution over a functional one just because it is facny. By that time MS hopes it will alienate enough people so the new interface will succeed.

Meanwhile for those uninterested of this fight there is a tool called ClassicShell that fixes everything... :)

neo158 says:

Epic Fail from a luddite who CBA to learn something new!!

OMG55 says:

All the people at my company that I've assigned and trained on windows 8/8.1 love the start screen and its functionality. I promise you guys that I don't get helpdesk calls anymore like I did with windows 7. I have also did proof of concept that windows 8/8.1 works with our police departments application's and will be purchasing Panasonic toughbooks running 8.1 in patrol cars. The general public and client users will always resist changed, therefore its up to us (IT managers, network admins, techs, etc) to upgrade them and ensure they are properly trained on how to use these items. The burden doesn't rest solely on Microsoft; if they're failing, its because we've resisted change, now they're having to adjust accordingly. Sucks because win 8.1 is great. I also started sending out the how to guide for enterprise Microsoft released to my client users.

OMG55 says:

You're spot on, people need to adapt to change, otherwise technology becomes stagnant. Honestly, if all you see is the desktop, would average people see the advancement as a graphical appearance and processor upgrade only and not as the complete re-write that it is? SOME PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID!!!

Gilgameshi says:

So people are stupid because they want to boot directly into Desktop mode?

daguila29 says:

I think it's cool if it boots to Desktop only if they allow the apps to be resized like any desktop program. I installed a program from stardock that lets you do that and I can't see windows 8 with out it. Best 5 bucks I've spent

Blau34 says:

Bingo,

 

and we do this for all of our customers, when they bought a new W8 based computer. and all are really happy.

4Tiles says:

But most people won't change it which means even fewer will use modern UI and the Windows app store. So remember this moment in a few years when they talk about how few people buy Windows tablets and how few people develop modern apps. You know what else MS turned off by default? Windows Media Center. How's that doing lately?

The way Win32 performs is unacceptable to consumers in the modern era. Everything from installing/uninstalling programs loaded with bloatware you don't want to a GUI that is horrible at scaling automatically and a task manager that allows background tasks to destroy battery life makes the desktop unacceptable for the modern era of computing. The desktop cannot compete in the modern mobile device era. If MS is stuck catering to these slow to progress desktop users then developers will never come back to Windows and consumers will accelerate their migration to non-Windows tablets and netbooks.

MS has gone from competing for a new modern user base of developers and consumers to trying desperately to hold onto a dying market niche.

TechFreak1 says:

That is especially the case for enterprise and small businesses as it is not always viable to have a new it manager whilst retaining the old. You simply cannot let some go without costs i.e. Severance / redundancy pay, pension and the loss of alot of experience. As it callous it may sound but there comes a time when these experienced veterans become a novice in IT, sadly due to old age, loss of memory and a failing ability to adapt to new habits. That time is going to come to all off us whether we like it or not.

spcdog says:

Just so you're aware Media Center was never a thing, even though some people think it's great and still use it daily (myself included). Sinofsky said that their data showed only 6% of all users ever even launched it, and most of those closed it right away without actually using it. Your point is well taken, but don't weaken it with an inappropriate comparison with WMC.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/09/02/reflecting-on-our-first-co...

I work in digital media and didn't even know WMC existed.

Rishicash says:

What do you attribute this to? What alternative do you think people prefer?

1101x10 says:

Very well put. Microsoft have come under a persistent hate campaign in the tech press and social media but they just need to ignore most of this and carry on to realise their vision. From the whole Windows 8 saga the most interesting thing to me is it the psychological aspect. People like new things (give a new person an iPad/Android tablet and they will quickly work it out) but like to complain about changes to existing things. Microsoft could still do a better job of marketing the advantages though.

Scotty_V says:

Agree 100000%.

Cyruss1989 says:

Great comment! (Even though I just use metro as a better start menu)

crise says:

Fully agree!!!

You do know that developers need the desktop to make Metro apps in the first place, right? Hardly a 'dying niche'...

MDBulldog says:

+999,999,999,999.     u get the point

 

schlubadub says:

Such nonsense. The niche market is still very much the realm of mobile devices. "Slow to progress desktop users" are the entire corporate world, and people that use their computers for more than just playing simple games and pissing about on the internet. The mobile device era has it's place, but so does the desktop. It sounds like you really want Windows RT for everyone, which is ridiculous.

FeedTheShark says:

I think they just need an option on install (of W8) - Do you want to start with Classic Desktop or Start Screen? They shouldn't make it one or other, just make it part of the install process, and then have it as an easy to find option in the Control Panel - not hidden away as it is currently. Options, best of both worlds.

Just press the Win/Start button :) This is just boot to desktop by default, not never seeing the start screen.

That's a load of crap. The desktop is not supposed to compete against metro. They're two different worlds that MS thought could be merged.

Full screen apps belong on small screens. The desktop belongs on big screens.

duk3togo says:

I think it should be the first option that pops up when you first boot up the PC or tablet initially or after update.

VERY BAD!!!! HOW CAN YOU BRING THE PRODUCT INTO THE FUTURE IF MICROSOFT IS STUCK IN THE PAST????

iamoniwaban says:

Ms isn't stuck in the past. Very old, uneducated people who can't move on are.

Jazmac says:

Such as people that still run Windows XP. They are the ones that won't move on but if this option gets them the hell off XP, put the option in.  After running Windows 8.1, XP looks like Windows 95 to me.

pookiewood says:

Tell me about it! My stepmom wanted me to troubleshoot her XP machine. I groaned and offered her a Win7 laptop with a messes up screen as a desktop replacement. :)

Robborboy says:

Desktop is much more efficient for productivity. How is that "stuck in the past"?

iamoniwaban says:

"desktop" is from 1987 with windows 2.0. We are in 2014 with windows 8.1.

Blau34 says:

And thats the reson why desktop is proved for effency. Metro is nice for a phone or a tablet.

With metro you can do only simple tasks. Show me a real program with success which is build in metro framework. Hmm there no Programs like this. Most metro Programs work like the Terminals in the 60´s and 70´s. Without an big cloud(Mainframe) you have no functionality

Ronnet says:

The desktop PC is becoming a niche device for consumers. The reason why it became this big is because back in the day people had no choice. Then came laptops, netbooks, smartphones and tablets and the migration started. Clearly people prefer other devices as their daily driver. Among young adults the PC runs an average of 20 minutes a day already! Compared to multiple ours from a few years ago.

The desktop has aged horribly. Its laggy, ugly and needlessly complex compared to modern interfaces such as the startscreen. Microsoft should work towards making the startscreen adaptable to nontouch devices and improve its productivity. Instead of redesigning windows 8 to meet the needs of a dying market. In windows dies then today is the day it started dying because its creator lost its vision.

schlubadub says:

Yet it reigns supreme in the corporate world, and will continue to do so for years to come.

OMG55 says:

Not in my corporate environment, I installed 75 units in the first year that win 8 was released (Dell 9010AIO w/touch) and will be installing another 100+ Dell 9020AIO w/touch this year. As stated in previous post, everyone loves it and caught on fast after initial training. People who are used to doing something one way will always resist change until they are forced to do it another way. Take and average user and a corporate use who's always used windows or Linux. Imagine one of the switching to a mac.....there's a learning curve, but we adjust if we have to, it simple as that.

schlubadub says:

You're not disagreeing with me - you actually just proved my point!! He was saying that everyone is abandoning desktop PC's in droves in favour of laptops/netbooks/tablets. My reply is that the desktop computer reigns supreme in the corporate world. The fact that your company is installing 175+ new desktop computers just proves that the desktop is not some "niche" device, but still resoundingly in the majority in the corporate world.

Your company is like many others out there - the desktop is most definitely alive and well and will be for many years to come. I won't even get started talking about serious gamers and IT professionals who want the most powerful machines out there which usually requires them to use a desktop.

BTW just because those desktops have a touch-interface is "interesting" but beside the point that they're still desktops. I don't see them as particularly practical / useable for everyone though - for example, I have perfect vision therefore sit comfortably at more than an arm-length away from my screen... and I have long arms! I would have to double-over my desk to touch my screen. Sure I could move my monitor closer, but then I would ruin my eyesight in favour of being able to smear my greasy fingers all over the screen. Sometimes it's bad enough having to take my hand off the keyboard to use the mouse... it would be awful if I had to add touch-control into the mix too.

Richard_Indy says:

If all desktops had touch screens, the metro side would be more viable in the corporate world. I support many clients that have dual monitors that sit 3 feet from the actual user in the chair. Lots of shoulder strain reaching to do all those win8 swipes all day long. And how would you toss an app to the other screen, kinda toss and catch with both hands.. Just something to think about.

OMG55 says:

Actually, my GIS and AutoCAD guys are all asking for touch screens, since they've been using windows 8/8.1 (they currently use it with mouse/keyboard, but envy standard client user who use the Dell 9010AIO's with touch built in). Go figure....they don't have issue with the mouse and keyboard functionality, but want touch just because someone else has it....its the same mentality that people who want iPhones (he/she has one, so I want one too)

schlubadub says:

More like the entire corporate world, and people who want to be productive and don't just play games and use the internet.

This!!!!!  Metro sucks a$$ for real productivity work.
 

pookiewood says:

I agree. It's the people that are stuck in the past. Prepared for the demise of MS Windows. They HAVE to stay stagnant in order for Android and iOS to prosper and there are some blog rags sites that are probably loving this.

Jazmac says:

Pookiewood, you can probably make bet that the talking heads who rail on their blogs about how crappy Windows 8 is, is running Windows XP SP2. And are not technical enough to perform a simple upgrade so they spend their lives complaining like Microsoft owes them something.
 

exkerZ says:

Jazmac, I find it it funny that you mention the words "like Microsoft owes them something," yet most people get angry at google not having services on windows devices like google owes them anything. Just food for thought.
And using XP has nothing to do with 'not being' able to do anything "Technical.."

noirsoft says:

What people are angry about is Google requiring that Windows phone devices hold to a standard for accessing Google services that has been shown to not only be impossible with current technology, but that Google themselves don't even try to do. It's the hypocricy.

exkerZ says:

What is impossible? I'm sorry, but I do not think that many people actually think as far as you have... And you merely turned my general statement into a very specific one.. So not much of a difference.

Jazmac says:

Apples and Oranges.  How google becomes the topic of conversation is an interesting leap. Did you forget where you were?

exkerZ says:

I attacked your logic. Why doesn't Microsoft owe the consumers anything? Isn't that why people cry at google? I mean.. If most people here are going to get mad at google when google doesn't give them what they want, why will people allow Microsoft to get away with their actions when Microsoft doesn't do what the people want?

It doesn't make any sense to have double standards.

mjrtoo says:

How about double negatives?? You're good at those.

exkerZ says:

And God said, "Let there be Commas!"

exkerZ says:

And sorry that I brought up something else. I just wanted to point out the irony.

I suspect that Windows 9 will only have one Start screen/desktop.  I think it will basically be the classic desktop but with Live Tiles instead of icons... and the screen will scroll (left & right) off the page like the current Metro screen.

The Task Bar & Start Button will still be there if you want them, but will be able to be toggled on/off.  So if you're on a desktop, it's there... and if you're on a tablet, you can turn them off.

NIST says:

I think when the user first logs on it should ask you for your preference. Thus tablet owners would check "Tablet" and desktop owners, especially those without touch screen would choose "desktop mode"

noirsoft says:

So I should choose "Tablet" for my desktop because I have used it and know that it is faster and easier than "desktop" mode?

neo158 says:

Knowing Microsoft desktop users won't have a option due to luddites complaining that the option is available!!

Rishicash says:

Yes sir. MS could have avoided a lot of misery by just implementing this one very simple feature from the beginning with W8.

OMG55 says:

They didn't, but it's included in 8.1 via the navigation tab on the desktops taskbar....oh I forgot, that's to hard to do

At the end of the day, the most efficient way of getting things done is good old desktop mode with mouse and keyboard. The multitasking and input precisions in touch base os simply does not compare, they are great only if ur not at a desk.

schlubadub says:

+1 at least someone gets it. A touch interface is useless when you're sitting at a desk with 2 or 3 big monitors and actually have work to do. The desktop with mouse & keyboard is by far the most efficient way of doing things.

Jombib says:

Damn people complain about the weirdest things. For those enterprise users that do 'real work' (a needlessly patronising way of putting it by the way) IT depts/managers generally ghost the corporate image onto the machines, in which case they can preconfigure them to boot to desktop. So what the hell is the problem? For the rest of us that obviously don't do 'real work' leave it on the consumer friendly Start Page. On my home pc there's big friendly tile that can take me to desktop if i need it and any apps that run in desktop mode take me there when i open them. Also who the hell would want their Arm, Atom or i5 based tablet booting onto desktop by default? Peoples love creating issues where none exist.

schlubadub says:

If "real work" is needlessly patronising, then why are you the only person saying it? I didn't say that at all. The problem with Windows 8 is that it really is two OS's wedged together...

neo158 says:

Those people in IT departments are supposed to be tech savvy enough to configure machines properly for a work environment, they shouldn't expect Microsoft to do their job for them.

OMG55 says:

+1520.....if you had to make that statement here, what does that tell you about the majority of user you're having to argue with in this forum?

schlubadub says:

The original argument was that people is that "MS is stuck in the past" by having the desktop interface. The reply was that desktop with mouse & keyboard is still the most efficient way of using it, which I was in agreement with. I'm not sure what your reply has to do with that discussion. Of course IT configure it to best suit the environment. MS have to provide the tools to do so - at the moment there are 2 interfaces wedged together, 1 to suit touch and 1 to suit mouse & keyboard. Sure they both "work" in either situation, but MS should be making it as optimal for either situation. When I'm on a PC with 2 x 24" monitors I don't want huge full-screen apps - at the moment all I can do is make 3 vertical columns.... it should be possible to move them around anywhere I want, with a cross at the top to close them... I don't know let's call them WINDOWS.

OMG55 says:

All of the users in my organization who have win 8 computers with touch, love using it to launch applications. They love it....you'd Be surprised what happens when you give them the option

schlubadub says:

That's fine on laptops and tablets. I physically can't reach my screen unless I hunch over my desk like Quasimodo. I've spent YEARS teaching people not to put their greasy fingers all over my screen when they want to point to something on the screen. It would be terrifying it if actually gave them control :P

BldyIdt says:

Nope the easiest way is trackpad and shortcuts :p.

But seriously, we're talking about the start screen, right? Switching from it to the desktop and vice versa, can be done in a huffy, so what is being argued here? I don't get it.

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E Lizzle says:

The _most_ efficient way most likely also removes the mouse from the picture and uses just keyboard input.  We've always sacrificed efficiency for usability.

schlubadub says:

... it's much easier to click a button that to tab through all the options, or remember a thousand shortcuts. Keyboard can definitely make some things quicker, but the UI is mouse-driven for a good reason...

Full screen apps are from the past. Think DOS. The reason we have windows is because being able to resize your app is actually useful. Who knew? I like windows 8 but only the desktop part is actually useful.

OMG55 says:

Because you're not using a hybrid. Get one and see how useful it is when you don't want to lug the entire laptop into the living room while surfing and watching tv or reading a kindle book while relaxing; the work suddenly calls and you need to do some productivity work...re-dock to the keyboard and go to work

Maybe if you're using a small screen already and expect to use full screen apps, then having the ability to switch to a more productive desktop view could be considered a "bonus", but if you are using a real computer because you want to use a real computer with a normal sized screen then there is absolutely no benefit to using full screen apps.  It's only an unnecessary limitation.

The only reason apps are full screen on phones is because the screens are so tiny, they need all the real estate they can get.  That makes sense.  It's a way to manage the inherent limitation of a small screen.  But why would Microsoft think that people want that same limitation on a large screen?  It just doesn't make any sense.

I love my windows phone and I like some things about windows 8 but MS really should have put more thought into how people use their desktop computers.  I hope Windows 9 is very different from 8.

schlubadub says:

+1 fullscreen apps are visually jarring on large multi-monitor desktops. I really wish I could move them around like... windows!

tim3804 says:

Awesome can't wait

Robborboy says:

I know. Desktop is pretty much all I use. Trying to multitask with only being able to have two metro apps open is damn near impossible. And alot of my programs have no metro equivalent. I keep -atleast- Skype, hexchat, Word, and an internet browser open at all times. Plus there's steam, a music player, etc. Metro just isn't viable at this point.

Agreed. Metro apps belong on small screens not desktop or laptop computers.

doomtuba says:

Hopefully it's context sensitive... It would look stupid to boot to desktop of my Lenovo Miix 8. Maybe it will be based on whether the computer is touch screen (boot to start screen) or not (boot to desktop).

Dadstar0410 says:

Here, here. Also on RT's, completely get rid of desktop and make Modern UI versions of Office.

Nik Rolls says:

*Hear hear (sorry :) ). And I would expect this option to be disabled for RT, it makes sense.

Dadstar0410 says:

Congratulations, Nik Rolls. You just Grammar-Nazied the Grammar-Nazi. Hats off to you, good sir!

Rishicash says:

I think he was referring to where to scratch his back. :)

Elitis says:

Office Gemini (Modern UI Office) is actually expected to be out this year. We'll probably see it at BUILD.

Dadstar0410 says:

Think that will eliminate desktop on RT?

TechFreak1 says:

I don't think it will be that easy, its not just office that resides on the desktop, your forgetting the file explorer :p that will need to be modernised along with a whole host of items and settings.

E Lizzle says:

A touch-friendly file explorer is like a five minute project, there's barely any controls and tons of free space to work with.

E Lizzle says:

I read somewhere that MS is already doing that.  Although I have no idea how that will work, with as much feature-bloat as apps like Word or Excel have.

I still use the desktop on my Surface 2

Sahil Kutty says:

A really bad one in my opinion.
Microsoft, don't do it!

SamiSaifDine says:

COMPLAINTS, COMPLAINTS EVERYWHERE!

Kadcidxa says:

yet this is just a test build. who said it will be in the final update? cant please everyone.

I set my desktop to boot to desktop for a little while and I actually didn't like it. I'm too use to having Start come up now. Anyway, all my programs and websites and pinned to my Start screen anyway.
If possibly they should make it so that boot to desktop is enabled if a mouse and keyboard is detected on the system so that tablet users (by default anyway) can boot straight to Start. That just my opinion though.

micallan_17 says:

i agree with the original surface and surface 2, the desktop should be removed or don't make it boot to desktop by default

Maybe its device specific?

neo158 says:

Knowing Microsoft it won't and all devices will boot to the desktop by default.

aemehran says:

Nah, I hope there'll be an option to go start screen, even on my desktop!

New Rum'o'meter? I like it

12Danny123 says:

I think it could be at the setup of Windows 8.1. Where you could pick which environment you pefer :). Metro is boot to the start screen and desktop is boot to desktop

You're probably right :o

Tech King says:

True... Gonna be changing that back to boot in Metro Home screen
Its soooo much more cooler and functional... If I need desktop mode i will choose to go there.... Don't need the computer smarter than me... Not yet :)

fraztto says:

I hate this do and undo thing, I loved the path they took with W8 and at first glance I didn't like start button on W8.1, I don't know if I will like the mini start menu either.

ajohnson777 says:

It would be fine if metro apps can be docked on the start panel and locating the boot switch is easy to find.

Montpbm says:

That's the best idea, give people a choice what they want on their tablets or desktops when it starts up.. Frankly I prefer the modern 8.1.

TechFreak1 says:

Desktop on tablets... Nope doesn't work to well especially sub 8 inch (remember net books??). RT is the way to go for tablets, although they should have modernised the file explorer and moved the settings only accessible via desktop to the settings charm for RT. Cant wait when that happens, but on a pc, mouse, keyboard, and desktop. Windows 8 really needs alot of fine tuning before it becomes a viable replacement for desktop. But the desktop isn't going anywhere, to abandon on it will be the same as ditching all those millions of x86 and x64 apps. I just hope this mini start is just an option to be enabled by choice and confined to desktop only.

E Lizzle says:

I think that's really the only reason desktop mode even exists on RT.  It's like a closet full of crap that they haven't finished porting to Metro.

 

Penguinguy95 says:

I hope it is just for Pro if at all.  Wzor's photos show Windows 8.1 Pro so I hope Core and RT go to Start.

wpguy says:

Oh come on, Microsoft. Would it be too much to ask the user what they prefer the first time the account is used to login?

mythos13 says:

They also better bring back full Start Button functionality if they want W8 to suceed. What a mess trying to organize my program on W8. I actually gave up and now just let them fall into one gigantic heap of chaos. W8 is a total no-go in the enterprise and for a good many desktop users as well.

theefman says:

Stick to Windows XP!

Fritzly says:

Are you so afraid of having options?

exkerZ says:

Isn't a lack of options if we can't use the start screen in the way we might want to?

MethodGT says:

8 was difficult for me to organize too, where every new program went to the right edge of the start screen. At least my lefternmost (not a word) columns were organized. ;) I'm glad they fixed that behavior with 8.1.

mythos13 says:

To most of you who replied to my message. You're outbursts make it sound your world is coming to end and you must attack anyone who doesn't love everything Microsoft. Get a life and stop worrying so much about what choices others make. There are a lot of reasons not to like Windows 8 and it Is not going to go over without some signifiant changes. It Vista all over again and thankfully it appears like once again the majority of us are going to force MS to do better.

You're an ignorant fool. Vista failed for performance, stability, & compatibility issues. Windows 8 is superior to every other OS performance wise. As with the Xbox, the IGN crowd is afraid of anything not crafted by Sony or Apple. You can't post your (misguided) opinion & tell others to get lost for doing the same

TechFreak1 says:

Honestly, if you don't like windows 8 stick to windows 7... Its not like that's going anywhere anytime soon in terms of support. I like windows 8 and where ms is heading but not on a desktop pc :p. Hence why its called a "desktop" pc :p. RT is amazing on tablets, i just don't see desktop viable on a small touch screen at all, win7 supports touch but it feels not optimised on a touch screen aio. Windows 8 should boot to desktop for non touch screen laptops also.

exkerZ says:

I'll give you the fact that vista sucked. But your next claim.. Needs proof or it's a weak argument.

mythos13 says:

No that is not why Vista failed. Those problems were fixed early on. Vista failed because it drove technical people bonkers with all its restrictions and nagging and it is technical people that set the narrative for operating systems. Just like what is happening with Win 8.1. MetroMode is a casual computing area and would be a nice addition to Windows if going to it was optonal.

E Lizzle says:

No one forces MS to do anything, they pretty much do whatever they want.

wheelerk says:

I think that the system should prompt and ask the user during initial setup do they want to boot to Desktop or Start Screen.

Garneth says:

Or atleast an option in Settings, right?

Shouldn't the device manufacturer choose what boots by default? Or when the person is setting up the computer, could they at least get to choose when they are going through the set-up?

pookiewood says:

End and user should.

Garneth says:

I'd prefer not to have this on my Surface, but would really enjoy this on my desktop!

MrA2Z says:

It should vary from device to device. Or for tablet users it should boot directly to start screen whereas pc users should have option to chose the default mode. But we can live with that. The thing with which I can't is the smooth clear type font on desktop like windows 7. At the it is really hard to read books or anything on windows 8/8.1. Also need window mode for apps on desktop

WPCrook says:

To make improve? Lol

coip says:

What they need to do is merge the Start Screen wtih the Desktop. Add in the task bar to "modern" mode (have an option to autohide it, but not by default unless you're in a full screen app). Then, make the start screen tiles transparent, but still visible in desktop mode. Now, make it so that a double click/tap on the desktop wallpaper switches immediate to the start screen (it makes those transparent tiles opaque), and then when in start screen, a double click/tap on the start screen wallpaper (any place that isn't a Live Tile, obviously), jumps you back into desktop mode. It will be a lot less jarring, as it'll look like they're more connected, and it will also be much faster for both keyboard/mice users and touch users to double click/tap on any open space.

what is with everyone and this obsession with transparency? that is NOT what metro is about, transparency confuses the brain, it makes clutter! It's about priorities, the foreground having strong contrast to the background, not blending the foreground into the background, thats what aero was about. transparency is outdated, a product of vista, perfected by 7, its done, its dead, quit clinging to it!

coip says:

Cleary you'd be able to turn it on or off or control the exact percentage. What's wrong with options? Also, I think you misunderstood my idea. They would simply be transparent live tiles on the desktop wallpaper to remind the user that the 'metro mode' is there. They would be no more cluttered or obnoxious than most other wallpaper that people use (such as the rotating Bing image wallpapers). Most of the time they wouldn't even be visible because most people, in desktop mode, have various applications open that would be covering it. The transparent tiles wouldn't be visible with an IE or Word window on top of them.

That said, even without that idea, I'd still like to see the double tap/click to switch interfaces idea. That would be much better: faster and less jarring. Then they could free up the Start Button to return to a Start Menu. Everyone is happy.

TechFreak1 says:

I see, basically an overlay off live tiles over the wallpaper?
Some think options are a bad thing... Probably because they are incapable of making quick decisions when faced with an array of options. Having taught people and kids to use the pc (windows 7 / 8). I can tell you some are incredibly slow or virtually have no patience in making in rational decisions. For these a walled garden is a better fit as they veer towards simplicity and a linear line of logic.

mjrtoo says:

Transparency, ok, hello apple not king ago...

bobsentell says:

Good for desktops, but leave off for Tablets. I would imagine OEMs will set it how they want it.

daknarr says:

Oh what the crap!! Blood and bloody ashes!!! So now I have to change it to Metro default because of these whiners!!!

DJCBS says:

I think it's good for Windows 8, not so good for RT. But since the RT and 8 updates are separate, I don't see why Microsoft would push this preset on the RT version and I think they probably won't. Which means the Nokia L2520, the Surface RT and Surface 2 will still boot up in the tiles screen and only Windows 8 will go straight to desktop.

 

And as for the option of opening it straight to desktop, I'm obviously in favour. Not that I need it because my 8.1 PC already boots directly to desktop but it should help new users avoid the Start Screen that the majority clearly isn't fond of.

erichunt says:

I only agree with this if it was smart... as in location smart. As an option MS should offer a toolkit and ability to customize how you boot the device into what mode. For example, tablets should never startup going straight into desktop mode, they should remaind in Metro. Desktops could boot up into desktop mode by default if the user sets that as the preference. Now if I put my Surface into a dock, I would like it by default to switch to desktop mode, switch back to metro when removed. If they build it with conditions and user customization then I am all for it.

HaZZMaTT98 says:

I don't understand the complaints. There's a setting to change it back if the boot to desktop option is default. Currently, Windows boots to the start screen by default and I changed it to the desktop. I don't see why an option to change it back would not be available with the update.

neo158 says:

Because Microsoft have a one OR the other not one AND the other way of doing things.

Booting to desktop by default means exactly that. It doesn't mean you can't boot to Metro if that's what better suits your device. As of right now you have to click a check box to enable "Boot to desktop" this update just means the checkbox is ticked by default.

Sarang68 says:

No. No. No. I hope there is a way to reverse it. I am on desktop & laptop . I love the way the start screen opens up like a flower!

Fritzly says:

You will just have to do what people who prefer to boot on the desktop do today: change the option in settings and you will be booting back in the Start Screen by default.

Sarang68 says:

I know that but Microsoft should stop this flip flop thing. Does not look good going forward then reversing back. They have done the same with the start button

TechFreak1 says:

Agreed, they are caving into these whinging tots. This mode should be context specific but knowing MS its one way or the other... There is no in between, until all the metro users start up lol. All this is pretty comical really.

neo158 says:

I suppose you want Microsoft to have Windows Phone boot to the Windows Mobile interface and have the Xbox One boot to the 360 blade style dashboard by default as well?

eserrano250 says:

as long as there is an option to not boot into desktop i am happy

Pete Almanza says:

Dear whichever Microsoft employee who checks out this site, this article in particular, and might happen to read my comment by chance,

Please...don't do this. You're better than this. And if you are planning on doing this, STOP doing it. You're letting the nagging minority bully you into a frankenstein of a product, comprised of things you probably don't want, random settings and last minute functionality. Grow a backbone and stop giving into want the consumer wants. Stop giving into corporate rags (iCNET). Take a page from Apple's book and ignore your customers. Look how well it's worked for them! Stop flip-flopping. Make something, stay with it, and above all stay strong. The ones who have stuck with you all these years will still stick by you. But you have to find yourself, and quickly before the next CEO takes over. Grow a backbone, keep to your plans, don't apologize.

- a msft fan

Fritzly says:

Last time  I checked OSX market share was around 7.5%.... It does not seem so succesful to me.

Sarang68 says:

I think he was referring to ipad & iPhone. Ugh. Hate to even mention them! I blame you for that!;)

pookiewood says:

It should be a choice during setup with an explanation of benefits of the Start screen vs traditional desktop choice without explanation. Tablets and touch screen laptops/all in ones should have Start screen by default (the active background I saw on one device was awesome) and to the desktop for desktops and regular laptops. Device detection for these setups should bring up a prompt asking the user for their preference when they first start using Win8. Touch screen device vs non touch screen is the only factor that should matter. It's great they are listening to their customers instead of giving a "You're holding it wrong" response but I think this could hurt MS if they don't keep the Star screen in some form.

jjmurphy says:

Here's a more elegant solution. Detect for touch screen drivers/device. Boot into modern start. No touch, boot into desktop.

noirsoft says:

And for those devicees without touch but whose users know the benefits of using Metro?

Sarang68 says:

Exactly. I fall into that category. I have desktop & laptop non touch & i love the start screen

neo158 says:

Same here and having the same UX on every device is great.

John20212 says:

It's a non-issue if you have the option to boot to start if you want. On my Suraface Pro I prefer to boot to start to see the live tiles right away, but on my desktop I would prefer to boot to desktop if I could pin live tiles on desktop as gatgets.

On a large screen the start live tiles are useless as I would prefer to see them float on my desktop while I can still interact with opened programs, hopefully something likle this comes in the near future, because I am sticking with Win7 on my desktop until pining live tiles to desktop comes along.

 

Robewms says:

As long as its an option that we can change it shouldn't matter... Those who want it can use it, those who don't...wont

_Haitian says:

This is wonderful for people such as myself who are looking long term as an IT systems analyst that will eventually employ the latest version of how Windows 8.1 will develop at the firm, as a vast majority of those people would hate to see anything that's not how they like it. That's how it is at the corporate law firm that I work at.

Personally I prefer for it to go to the Start live tile screen on all of my devices.

It's a good thing that MS is giving the masses a choice. Now all basis are covered.

James8561 says:

Definitely a good move.

Why not let the user decide what they want during initial set up?

iyae says:

I think its a bad idea. Whats the point? Everyone i know who bitched about windows 8 was fine with it when i showed them how to do all the things they thought they couldn't do anymore. They just need education, not caving in to

arjunan says:

this feature is already on windows 8.1 .. but it seems easier in the screenshot

pmich says:

Makes so much sense. None touch devices should default to boot to,desktop and touch to "metro".

herbertsnow says:

Why? I can use Metro just fine with a mouse and keyboard. I'm sick of MS dumbing things down for people.

Robborboy says:

Metro is the exact definition of dumbing things down.

neo158 says:

Booting to the desktop by default is dumbing things down for luddites!!

herbertsnow says:

What a dumb idea. I want nothing to do with the desktop.

JotaKa says:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Come on Microsoft, grow a fukn pair, and press on. Include a series of video tutorials for all the luddites who refuse to use and understand the start screen.

cdb033 says:

Man that sucks, I hope they will have an option to revert back to the live tiles booting up first.

oddom says:

This is great! Now my parents won't bother me for 79 hours asking how it works

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sahib lopez says:

another step backword .......ugh ....danm it msft i liked how windows 8  was all then came windows 8.1 with a start button .......and now a boot to the desktop ...wtf ...all msft had to do was imrpove what it had insted of taking orders from the loud minority that are suck in the past ...... *sigh*

Win 8.1 already provides this option.

hardcoreplur says:

If it has touch, start it on start screen; no touch, starts on desktop. It is simple as that.

noirsoft says:

No. I want metro first and foremost on all my devices, touchscreen or not. It's just easier, faster, and all around better to use.

swizzlerz says:

Not a good move. I use both worlds on my desktop. Force us to learn something new then f- uck around with it and force us to learn again.

Jackalneck says:

Its a simple check box you tick once to change back. What's to relearn?

crise says:

And how will a person like your mother ever find this hidden option? Many people I know would never find it.

terrokkinit says:

I set it differently on every device depends on function, so not a problem for me. But I can also understand how it may confuse some tablet users too...oh boy lol. Windows 9 should be a lot more integrated, but I still love 8 too ;)

MrDiamondJ says:

Smart move. MS can't force people to use their product in a way they don't want to. It just drives people away for no good reason. They should simply have tablets boot to the touch UI by default, and desktop boot to Desktop by default.

Talbot690 says:

I think Microsoft should just changer thier name too microflipflop

Jackalneck says:

Why, because they respond to user feedback and make changes? Would you prefer them to be more stubborn? No, you'd complain either way.

Talbot690 says:

LOL did I strike a nerve? But honestly I love Microsoft I'm a huge fan they make fantastic stuff. BUT! They need to stick to their guns there's already an option to boot in desktop mode. Making it default on all devices would make the majority of people not even bother to learn the tiles. People are inherently afraid of change good or bad. The tiles are good and go nicely with WP and Xbox but people won't see that until they are accustom to it so putting them on the back burner will hurt us all in the long run

neo158 says:

Agreed, just think about Surface and Surface Pro. They were built to showcase the Metro interface.

My Surface Pro would be aweful if this and the other changes are real (and not an option)! I really love Windows as it is. Just put metro apps inside a normal window when I'm on Desktop...

Armin Mhd says:

Whats gonna be new on xbox one?

crise says:

Default boot to Xbox 360 interface.

neo158 says:

Boot to Xbox 360 blade style dashboard probably, just to satisfy the luddites!!

Jackalneck says:

A better way... Jut ask the user what they prefer during the OOBE. Problem solved.

For people who say "if keyboard boot to desktop"... the cool thing about the Start Screen is that it shows much info at a glance! Tiles are not only huge buttons to open software, many of them display much appreciated info! booting to desktop by default is almost like removing a huge feature for me.

crise says:

Exactly, they should just improve the metro and show even more info, and make interactive live tiles.

If they are wisely going to continue in the direction of smart screens with Windows, they need to add a second variation to explorer (file explorer) that is far more touch friendly, as well as large popup icons for the system tray.

mjrtoo says:

I'd agree with this.

Eric_J says:

I believe touch interface devices should boot to the tile, modern UI while desktop users should boot to the desktop.

pwrof3 says:

The Windows app store is already light years behind iOS and Android. At least they will be merging the phone and rt store to give it a boost. Sadly, the boot to desktop enabled by default will be the death knell for Metro. Too bad. I love Metro and use it exclusively on my Surface RT.

pwrof3 says:

It's amazing how quickly the new Windows team did an about face on Sinofsky's team's vision of Windows

exkerZ says:

Slippery slopes, slippery slopes everywhere!

liammatho says:

Ahaha this doesn't matter in the slightest. This is one of those things that you change in two seconds and then never change again.

Snazrael says:

Huge mistake. MS needs to take advantage of the fact that people need Windows and push them to adopt the future. They're not going to lose customers because of an interface change.

Robborboy says:

People don't -need- windows. Businesses do, and businesses are using Win7. What people have is what they want. And that is why iOS and Linux are becoming more and more popular.

Ticomfreak says:

Linux has never even had more than 1% of the market.

Only fanboys use it.

exkerZ says:

Fanboys and Berkeley Computer Science students then....

Robborboy says:

Can't wait for this. Using standard desktop is much easier to multitask. It is pretty much all I ever use on my Dell Venue 8 Pro. Instead of only having two apps split vertically I can have as may programs as I need resized to whatever size I need.

mjrtoo says:

You must have tiny hands. Plus, the start screen is that, a start. It's much easier to start there and open your desktop. Or have it opened for you.

Not that big of a deal honestly...don't like it, change the setting...

mjrtoo says:

It is a big deal, they're hiding the most advanced interface changed ever made. Eventually they'll drop it all together, which is sad, I like my WP and W8.1

Mark Richey says:

Lousy move. I am quite comfortable using a mouse and keyboard and my next PC will be touch. So spare those of us who have worked to embrace the new UI and tell those who are not so adept change THEIR default.
I agree especially for enterprise the need, so I am happy MS is listening, but this is more like snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I have a touch screen so it makes sense for me to boot into metro ui.. but considering all the unified search improvements they have done on the metro for 8.1 ... I personally think that the search on metro is pretty amazing, its a big trade off for users skipping metro ui.,.

BryanLM says:

I'll have to put it back to booting to start page. I'd have to go to the start page to open the app/program I want to use anyways, so it only makes sense to boot to start page. The desktop and old start menu are ancient and worthless. People use the desktop for shortcuts (which you could add to the start page) and as a junk pile for random documents (which they could just learn how to organize and open from the app or through windows explorer). I love the new start page and I'm done with the start menu, having to navigate through it feels old. They are bringing back the start menu for the old and for the untechnical.

Mark Richey says:

+8.1 I NEVER lose program exe or files as I used to. Searching from the All app view is fast and amazing.

mjrtoo says:

Agreed, people get hung up on the context change between the desktop programs and the start menu.

schlubadub says:

Only clueless noobs use the actual desktop like that. Storing files on the desktop is only something my would grandparents do. The old start menu is still far more efficient at organising a lot of applications, and has much higher information-density in a smaller space. The new start menu is just walls of visual crap to wade through and spend ages organising. I do like some aspects of the new interface, but I hate using it as an app-launcher except when I'm typing it in.

birgs says:

Realy great capabilities,,,for those companies that working only with 5 icons or more, office,browser, recycle bin, printer fax etc,,,or the companies businesses that working only on desktop environment,,, start screen is best for touchenabled,

thelorenzzo says:

I don't think it should be enabled by default. Yeah, on my PC that would be nice, but on a tablet it just doesn't make sense. It should ask the user once (just once, after the update) whether to boot to desktop or to Metro by default and that's it. Give the user a choice and you can't mess up :D

AccentAE86 says:

This is a bad idea. People gotta get off their lazy asses and learn the new system instead of complaining and whining constantly. I use the start screen on a non touch laptop with a trackpad, and even I got used to it. If people took the couple days to learn it, they wouldn't have had to spend the last year spending energy bitching about it.

neo158 says:

My thoughts exactly, this is Microsoft being defeated by a few Luddites who are too lazy and CBA to learn anything new!!

Boot to start menu is fine. Totally fine.

I think that for Joe Consumer, this will be a popular change. For myself, I hope that they allow users to override the setting.

Lokiwp says:

Great , now they must push this feature to windows phone and pressing win logo will bring live tiles

this will be great and we can then apply some wallpapers....

mjrtoo says:

Remember pocket PC's, and how they failed miserably? You know why? Because of what you're suggesting.

Lokiwp says:

That time is over dear.. its completely new build now with new concept

nothing is impossible today, I am sure today's hardware can support all these feature all they need is to make it much user friendly

 

mjrtoo says:

Dear? Seriously?

Lokiwp says:

Forget it, my point is for Microsoft not for you
everyone has its point of view so its better to suggest in a better ways rather criticizing.

+2520!!!! So true!

nez99 says:

This is a stupid idea. The option to boot to desktop is available, making it default means they're second guessing themselves and saying a touch interface primarily was a bad idea

eddieDOTexe says:

This is what they should have done in the first place. Have hardware detection decide whether to display the start screen or desktop. Hell this is what everybody assumed was going to happen.
Now here they are backtracking, looking stupid in the process. Microsoft does a lot of things right, but makes some obvious mistakes.

noirsoft says:

I certainly didn't assume what you assume I assumed. I saw that Microsoft was going to have a new interface that works equally well for both touch and tranditional mouse/keyboard called Metro. And gues what? It does. I also saw that they would allow legacy apps to run in a desktop "app" that would be second tier to the new Metro UI, but would allow for programs that couldn't move to the better system. And they had that as well. But then all the luddites went and cried like spoiled children and now MS is killing their future to try to appease the past.

baronlmw says:

Good move.fuck the fashioned and the cool transitions.who needs it..its fast work we talking about!

larspassic says:

Boot to start forces people to learn their new surroundings. Leave it.

gzzzz says:

They should simply default the start screen on devices with touchscreen and 'boot to desktop' on all others.

They'll probably do something like this. If not they are just stupid.

mingo3000 says:

I think its a bad I idea for Microsoft to " Make it like it used to be " for the sake a few consumers. The introduction of Windows 8 forced OEMs to think outside the box with hardware design. Microsoft pushed the envelope and they followed. As a result we have some of the best products to choose between. Look at it this way, apple wouldn't give you an option to boot your iPhone with ios7 or ios6 ? In their opinion, the latest is better than the previous.
Here's what you need to do. Go to your favorite PC running Vista, XP, or win 7 turn it on and watch it load to the desktop as many times as you like.

I've already learned to like and use the start screen on boot. I guess it will be fine as long as it remains as an option that can be tweaked.

Surface must definitely continue to land on the start screen when it wakes up.

Why don't they create an option screen that asks the user to decide during setup?

First, when I saw Windows 8 I was surprised, then curious, then started to use it, then faced lot of problems, then learned how to solve them, then got use to it, and now I am amazed and love the modern UI. So this move makes no sense for me.

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