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Samsung Huron
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Samsung Huron leaked, an upcoming Windows Phone 8.1 device for Verizon

Look here. This just might be the first smartphone running Windows Phone 8.1. The leak comes from @evleaks and is of the Samsung SM-W750V, which is also known as the Huron. This isn’t the first time we’ve seen the SM-W750V, but it is the first time we’ve seen a render. Details on the device below.

Notice the capacitive back button and search button? Right, they’re not there. All we see is a dedicated hardware button for the Start screen. Not surprising considering nearly two months ago we saw a screenshot of Windows Phone 8.1 with on-screen buttons. Edit: Or as Zulfiger points out in the comments below, the back and search button may appear when pressed like the Samsung Galaxy S4. This does look remarkably similar to the Galaxy S4. 

Windows Phone 8.1 on-screen buttons

There’s not much else to learn from these renders. The device, from what we understand, is destined for Verizon Wireless here in the United States. The display is 1920 x 1080 on a 5-inch screen. Although recent data from AdDuplex suggests it’s a 4.3-inch, but that could be wrong. The device is expected to be a high-end smartphone.

We’ll start prodding around and see if we can find any more information about the Huron.

Source: Twitter

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JudgeHolden says:

Wait... physical button?

 

SOLD!

Clodderes says:

I prefer the current capacitive button

WP8Expert says:

I prefer physical. Lazy to reach out to the power button while you can just hit the Windows key

cuwe says:

Kinda agreed with you ;)

adrian1338 says:

i kind of double tab the screen

Dannay says:

+1 love that feature

Hoekie says:

Exactly. I never use the power button anymore.

astraith says:

What's a power button? Wait, didn't my grand father tell me about those... Lol jk

Ixolite says:

Same. I got so used to it that I try to wake up my tablet that way ;)

Nik Rolls says:

I notice that the Surface wakes up from the capacitive Start button.

Ixolite says:

Don't have that on Asus T100 which is both good and bad apparently.

TJWINS says:

Is this a GDR3 feature or a Lumia feature?

Nik Rolls says:

Lumia only, it's part of Glance screen.

DenniSundaY says:

Loved that on my LG Optimus 7 haha

Niavlys77 says:

Same! I really miss physical buttons...

duk3togo says:

You could hopefully like the Lumia just double tap the screen.

ThePKReddy says:

So, you're all looking for a physical key in the front rather than the physical key in other potential ergonomic location? Where Nokia has the power button is perfect for how you hold the phone. Power on with one hand instead of two. I just don't understand some of you. Plus I hate Samsung for not supporting WP and for serving plastic,shit on a plate and watching the world eat it.

JudgeHolden says:

Rather? No, also. Physical buttons are superior

 

 

 

and you really need not hold grudges..

juanitoriv says:

I use one hand on my 8X, and the power button is on the top.

Winnabe says:

That requires a marvellous physical feat. On the hTC.

juanitoriv says:

I usually rest the phone on my pinkie and use my thumb at the top. Could probably do that with a 5.5" phone too. I'm 5'7", but big hands...

neo158 says:

If you'd been bothered to look at an ATIV S you would see that the power button is also on the side so you can switch it on one handed, oh and most Nokia Windows Phones are plastic as well. What the hell do you think polycarbonate is!!

heat 33330 says:

There's a difference between "plastic" and polycarbonate.

neo158 says:

You keep believing that then, the rest of us know there is no difference!!

Nik Rolls says:

Yes polycarbonate is plastic, but you're being a bit facetious. You know he means that Galaxy/ATIV plastic is inferior to polycarbonate.

Pirate Arr says:

At least their batteries are removable and have physical buttons which are a plus unlike other manufacturers

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x I'm tc says:

I hate.  Hate.  HATE.  capacitive buttons.  Physical all.  The.  WAY.

ivo_apo says:

Absolutely gorgeous phone: award winning design and quality of SG4 with WP. Samsung know how to produce top end phones.
Can't wait to be released outside US. As proud owner of ATIV S that's the phone I've waiting for.
Excellent work Sammy!

Doomguy says:

You're kidding, right? Right!?

ivo_apo says:

Not everyone likes square bulky phones with massive bezel (bar 925). I happened to be one of them. That's way I think SG4 design is perfect. Of course WP makes it special.
Many people seems to think that phone quality and phone support are linked. Samsung proved that's not the case. Hope that it will change.

ogracia says:

Oh yes and this piece of plastic is top quality for you... this shit desing is the reason because Nokia has 90% of the WP market...

That "shit" design is the reason it's dominating the Android market, and quite a chunk of the world market.

ogracia says:

Oh yes that's why people go for a wp because they want the same Android shit from Samsung..this is another pathetic plastic terrorist attack to good design & buid quality from Samsung

umovies says:

will yall leave sammy alone windows need other phone makers , plus samsung sells a hell of a lot of phones and they advertise to, if sammy does good it will be good for windows phone. example I dont have the s5 but plenty of friend do, and I love being able to turn channels on my tv with the phone. I so miss my window phone but the phone I have now has that function as well. I hate android but having sammy do good will help us.

I use the Oscar remote for my Samsung TV to changes channels. It's a free app.

When Nokia was nowhere to be found, Samsung supported Windows Phone with WP7 devices like the Focus, which I quite liked. I'm a Lumia fan now, but I get frustrated when I see self righteous Nokia WP fans attacking their Samsung WP brethren's taste on phones. Just stupid.

Pirate Arr says:

I prefer that over a blocky phone that has no removable battery and a physical home button

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FeedTheShark says:

Only reason Samsung is dominating is price and marketing. Their design and build are cheap, tacky and ugly. One of the main reasons I left Android to move to Windows Phone was the much better build and quality of Nokia. Sure they could reduce bezel and weight in many cases, but overall their phones are so much nicer. I am continuously amazed that some people actually like Samsung designs.

brmiller1976 says:

Their design and build are cheap, tacky and ugly.

I beg to differ.

The ATIV S Neo has a better design and build than the Lumia 925.

It also offers a larger, clearer screen than the 925; it has the expandable storage the 925 lacks; it has a thin bezel and not the chunky bezel of the 925; and finally has the large and removable battery the 925 lacks.  Oh, and Samsung made the device available across numerous carriers in the USA, not just a single "exclusive" for AT&T.

Towards the end of the Nokia phone business, before Nokia discontinued it and sold it to Microsoft, Nokia phones were embracing lots of Samsung technologies, including AMOLED screens.

Samsung bashing in such a context is silly.

OMG55 says:

You have some valid points. I personallly would like to see Samsung bring a unique design for their windows phone line and improve produc support and help wp get into the main stream, but thus far it seems as if they're just appeasing MS. I respect you decision to carry a Samsung wp because as I stated above, I was an early adaptor of all 3 of the original Focus series WP's from them.

ivo_apo says:

Very precise points above by brmiller1976.
That's way I will stick to my ATIV S(until next version). Rock solid phone. For 14 month of heavy usage (businesses and personal) not a single issue.
Just work. Full stop.
Put a smile on my face when Nokia users talked about plastic phones. Quite amusing.

FeedTheShark says:

@ivo_apo, there's plastic and there's plastic. Nokia phones are artisan devices, crafted with skill and care using the best materials (not much of a fan of the 925 mind you, much prefer their unibody devices). Samsung phones use cheap plastic wrapped around tech wonders and it just ruins what are otherwise amazing devices.

brmiller1976 says:

Nokia phones are artisan devices

Good grief, man.  Nokia phones are Qualcomm SKUs, made largely of commodity components, assembled in China.  Just like most other smartphones.

*like any other phones, or electronics* FTFY.

Even plastics has different grades. Nokia uses much better plastics

FeedTheShark says:

I don't care where they are made or what is inside them (well I do, but not in context with this discussion); fact is to me they look great, soemthing I cannot say of most Samsung devices. Sure that's not the only factor in buying something, but it is important and it was the point I was making above.

FeedTheShark says:

For batteries, screens, memory and many many other components Samsung are the go to company for many firms (including Nokia). And as you say they had their devices available on more carriers than Nokia, that comes with their size and power. They also make some of the best TVs, cameras, fridges, laptops, hell even tanks (yep) on the market (though a bit too much of the glossy going on). So i'm not bashing them for the sake of it, I appreciate they cover many markets and are the leader in most areas they compete.

However, for all that their phones look tacky. It's beside the point that that they have great screens, good batteries, thin bezels - sure they do many things better than Nokia - but they ruin it (IMO) with cheap plastic backs and front-plates. Front-plates aren't as bad but black would look so much nicer as a contrast again the screen itself. Sure you can get a new back for some of their phones which is great (another plus over a Nokia), but you shouldn't have to. It's just their finish, the final step at which they stumble and where to me Nokia, Apple, Sony, even HTC pay that little bit more attention to detail and make the product desirable. Samsung are too nerdy, they put in the best components, they make the best performing phones and I can see why many geeks would love them but they just don't have any artisty and thus fail to make their products luxurious or desirable beyond pure tech specs.

Talbot690 says:

I agree with you that the Samsung ativ and galaxy 3 and 4 are great phones built superbly... But Samsungs other phones are incredibly cheap and crappy and slow!! Honestly put the galaxy discover or the ace against the 520.

FeedTheShark says:

Nice point, I'm comparing Samsung's top devices against Nokia's - and still find Nokia's far more pleasing. Going down the range and you can see Samsung going cheaper and uglier. Nokia go cheaper, but they keep the good looks. The 520 is still a nice looking phone (if a bit bulky), the 720 to me is one of the best looking Nokia phones, nicer than my 920 just as it's so much skinnier. Compare that to any Sammy phone in those price ranges and they fail way more so than 920/1020 vs S3/S4/Neo comparisons.

TechAbstract says:

Samsung didn't invent OLED technology.

Pirate Arr says:

You do realize that their are more android devices right? HTC is a good manufacturer that rival Apples iPhones in design

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ikissfutebol says:

You are comparing the GS4, a money maker, vs the cheapo crappy devices that bring in market share...wow. Let's next compare the 1020/1520 with the 520...because that's what you are implying here.

You've gotta admit that it's just another borring looking phone. When I here the name Samsung I think grey. 

Its a requirement from Microsoft to have a dedicated camera key.

Holy shit you fucking fanboys. Stop. I'm a proud Lumia owner but I don't go bashing around other companies. Its really idiotic. Pardon the language but you guys are so fucking obnoxious

brmiller1976 says:

ROFL

 

Can I buy those "awesome Nokias" on Sprint?  Nope.

Where's the 1520 for Verizon?  Nowhere to be found.

Can I get the 1020 on T-Mobile?  FORGET about it.

I'd rather have a decent Samsung device available across carriers than "award-winning" carrier-exclusive Nokia devices that will never appear on my preferred provider.

Incidentally, the ATIV S Neo is a VASTLY superior handset to the 925.  It has a larger screen, expandable storage, bigger removable battery, less bezel, longer battery life, and costs less.  Oh, and it's available for both CDMA and GSM.

I wouldn't get too snippy about Samsung's offerings.  A successful ATIV series is a good thing for Windows Phone, and helps free us from Nokia's POV that "there is no carrier other than AT&T."

I have said it many times and I will say it again: F*ck carriers, f*ck contract, buy unlocked phones like everywhere else

brmiller1976 says:

A lovely sentiment, except that:

1) CDMA networks -- which are often the best option -- don't have "unlocked" devices and don't work with "unlocked" devices;

2) Nokia, as part of its carrier contracts, doesn't sell US-compatible "unlocked" devices directly to consumers.

If Windows Phone wants to make headway stateside, it needs every OEM it can get, and it needs every device on every carrier.  Like 'em, hate 'em or not care about 'em, Samsung is an important part of that.

Pirate Arr says:

+1 a reason I don't have a windows or even get a windows phone is carrier limitation plus contracts are for fools.

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cesar ruiz1 says:

If your talking about Verizon Nokia phones yes square and huge bezel (928) cause the 925 is the smallest of 920 family. Samsung sucks for not being unique HTC makes beautiful phones (HTC 8x HTC one). The 920 is still the only phone with a happy face and its still one of the best looking phones around and heaviest.

ScottAB says:

I agree ivo. I owned a Lumia 920 for 13 days. It is built like a tank - and does not need a case. Since I have yet to break a phone in the 20+ years I have owned them, I will risk a lighter phone. It's about options. Some people LOVE the Lumia line, and get rabid when someone else doesn't. Others are a bit more pragmatic and remember competetion is good for consumers.

Adi2 says:

I would never trade thin bezels for nokia apps.......

neo158 says:

Exactly, not everyone likes a brick as a phone!!

Rishicash says:

I agree, but Samsung has huge branding recognition and acceptance and anything that will help sell WP at this point is a good thing.

If Nokia sells unlocked phone directly in Murica, I bet Lumias would be selling like hotcakes

tbonenga says:

Hey don't fault them. They got their nose up Nokia's butt. I had a 900, 920, 925 they all had a horrible battery life. My ATIV S Last all day. I actually just used my Tmobile jump and traded my 925 for a note 3. If Nokia had a 1520 variant with 32GB plus memory card slot I would've got a Nokia. This exclusive BS is really helping them. Still I love the feel of both of my Samsung's. I guess I buy what fits my needs and not what some people think is best.

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duk3togo says:

I hope that's /s because it looks like the same phone as galaxy s3. Even worst is the name "Huron" might as well call it the Samsung SOS (same old shyt). Seriously its like they're not even trying.

KillaRizzay says:

Samsung phones are garbage. I had the Samsung Focus (WP7) and my girlfriend has the Samsung ATIV S. I've since upgraded to a Lumia 920 and my girlfriend gets so mad her Ativ takes crappy pictures. The phone is buggier than my lumia. I had two samsung focuses that both died due to faulty microusb ports that wouldnt charge the battery. I've also had several samsung monitors and tv's. Every single one of my company monitors eventually had dead pixels or rows while one would only show reds. The samsung TV we have has faulty component input jacks. I will never buy anything Samsung again. Their shit is nice but quality simply is not their forte.

mjfadaway says:

This garbage is why people choose Nokia for WP. I have no respect for Samsung. They just took the S4 and slapped a Windows button on it. Very creative!

WP8Expert says:

Some people, including me, like Samsung's design. Got tired of Nokia's constant square polycarbonate shells. The Galaxy S4 looks awesome and I hope this device would be even better. Only worrying thought is that the render lacks a camera button

Forc3 says:

Im holding a GS4 in my hand as we speak. Its garbage. Plastic all over the place, quality sucks especially the buttons! Even a light bump by an empty(!) deo sprayer managed to make a small dent! Design srsly its hideous if it wouldnt be because of my contract I would never buy this phone. Srsly its trash. Only + is the display.

SwimSwim says:

While I personally don't like Samsung's design, it's clearly popular. Look at the sales numbers for GS4's and GS3's when compared to Windows Phone. ;)

And don't hate on him. While you guys disagree on phone design, you both love the OS contained within, and that's what matters.

That's the beautiful thing about Windows Phone: you can shop around for the hardware that best suites your personal style, preference and budget, but rest assured you're getting the same buttery smooth OS as everyone else. Apple, as we know, gives you almost zero choice, and with Android, trying to shop around for different hardware also means you could end up with any number of different Android configurations...

Indeed, rejoice that Samsung is adding this to the Windows Phone line-up. It could very well drum up a customer or two, only building on to our ever growing Windows Phone family.

We should unite because we love the OS, not divide because we disagree over hardware. :)

ogracia says:

Just because Samsung floods the market with this shit...sorry this is PURE SAMSUNG GARBAGE

paulxxwall says:

We could only hope to sell as many WP as those"junk" Samsungs I'm all for Nokia but in todays high end specs....we have one so we could use some more high end phones to choose from. Gs4 sold around 40 million pieces that's awesome

brmiller1976 says:

Speak for yourself.  I have a 925, a 928 and an ATIV S Neo, and the ATIV is my favorite of the bunch.

Nokia's overemphasis on aesthetics and lack of focus on key features like expandability and removable batteries is a key reason why Windows Phone has lagged in the US market.  The other reason being that Nokia has made most devices "carrier exclusive" and thus hard to buy.

I'd rather have a future of "Windows Phone everywhere" on Samsung hardware than "Windows Phone, only at AT&T" on Nokia's pretty-but-largely-crippled hardware.

nasellok says:

I agree - Im on Verizon, and desperately need a new phone - ive been waiting for the Icon/929 since November to no avail.  If this phone made it to market first, id get it in a heartbeat.  Lets see which one comes out first.  

That being said - if Samsung releases their current hardware running Windows Phone on all carriers, its only a good thing for the WP ecosystem, and I cannot comprehend how you idiots on this board do not see that.  If Samsung sells 40 million Android devices, whats to say that 5 million of those people are as frustrated with Andriod as I am, and want to try something else...........well, there it is, on the display, right next to the GS4, the ATIV, running buttery smooth windows phone.  Person tries out the OS, sees that it has most apps they need, thereby adding users, and market share to the platform.  Its a win-win for the platform.  Now, all we need is HTC to release the ONE with Windows Phone on it..........that would be a sexy device - take my money now.

brmiller1976 says:

The trouble is that a big part of the Windows Phone community is the Nokia fan community -- they want what's best for a now-dead brand, rather than what's best for the ecosystem.  Anything that threatens "Nokia's" position is going to get strongly negative feedback -- whether it's from Samsung, HTC, Huawei, or anyone else.

Which makes no sense. True fans of Windows Phone should want to see new devices and want to see competition among the OEMs. I don't get this hatred.

FeedTheShark says:

Well let's hope WP gets so big we can fight over design at some point, cos Samsung product ugly, cheap plastic phones and deserve the scorn ;-P Sure some people might like their phones, but then some people like Uggs, there's no accounting for taste. But choice is good and it's good Samsung are continuing to support WP even if it is with these phones.

neo158 says:

Exactly, I didn't buy my ATIV S for the design or the materials it's made from but the OS it runs.

I just see butthurt Nokia fanboys that can't stand a company that creates devices for two different operating systems. Get over it, I bet if they focused on Windows Phone and dropped Android and Tizen, then you Nokia fanboys would be behaving like hypocrites and praising Samsung.

Niavlys77 says:

Absolutely - having choice of hardware and still getting the same fast and efficient software is a huge plus. Regardless if one "hates" one company's hardware or simply prefers one device over the others, we at least get a consistent set of choices.

ScottAB says:

Forc3 said:

Im holding a GS4 in my hand as we speak. Its garbage. Plastic all over the place, quality sucks especially the buttons! Even a light bump by an empty(!) deo sprayer managed to make a small dent! Design srsly its hideous if it wouldnt be because of my contract I would never buy this phone. Srsly its trash. Only + is the display.

Forc3 - How long do you plan to keep this phone, forever? Most phones are disposable anyway. Granted, this is my viewpoint, where we (virtually EVERYONE I know) get a new phone every 18 to 24 months.

Adi2 says:

A lot of heavy android users would buy a nokia if it'd run android,I guess they are tired of samsung constant cheap look

astraith says:

Samsung makes good phones. I owned an Upstage, Galaxy S, Galaxy SII. Moved to Nokia because of colour, not because I hate Samsung.

tan2000 says:

I prefer capacitive as the physical has s finite life, maybe 5,000 on full sized switches let alone tiny ones on smartphones. All my iPhones "died" when the home screen buttons died.

WP8Expert says:

iPhones don't count. Their home buttons spoil so damn easily

SwimSwim says:

Yeah, ever since the iPhone 4, they've gotten worse. Based on my observations, the iPhone 4S has exceptionally bad home button quality. Nearly everyone in my school with a 4S has to use that Assitive Touch thing, because either their home button or power button doesn't work.

tan2000 says:

However, i would prefer a dip in the touch home button so you don't accidentally touch it when doing something.

panesar7 says:

Double-tap's the way to go... +920

Micah Dawson says:

Lol I lol at the home button. It
looks tacky to me but I lol more at people getting excited for more Samsung hand me downs lol

LOVE Samsung physical buttons. Yes, that's why I use the ATIV S.
Having said that im interested in a Windows Phone 'Note 3 phablet' clone before I upgrade.

OMG55 says:

I hope you enjoy you physical button, because you won't be getting anything else from Samsung when it comes to windows phone.......I was an early adaptor of Samsung WP devices in the first two years, but after experiencing the poor device support and overall lack of effort when it came to wp, I jumped ship and went with Nokia (the difference is like night & day)........They honestly have no designs outside of cloning the galaxy line.

brmiller1976 says:

Hey, how is Nokia's awesome, legendary support on Sprint?

Oh, you mean they didn't even bother to make a device for the third largest carrier in the country, while Samsung did?

stmav says:

Why don't you ask Sprint why?

Sup br, how've you been.

brmiller1976 says:

It's likely because Nokia wouldn't deal.  Sprint sells phones from much smaller companies like Kyocera, after all.

The exclusive devices that went to AT&T likely led Sprint to demand some exclusives of their own, and Nokia wouldn't deliver.  And the Sprint folks said they wanted "something new and unique," which they certainly got with both the Neo and 8XT (for better or worse in both cases).

stmav says:

Why would you deal with a company who wouldn't even commit to WP at launch? And neither were new, both retreads of existing phones.

Zulfigar says:

Could be the back and search buttons are next to the Home button, but appear when pressed?

doppleblue says:

Yep, must be! That's how s4 works too (capacitive buttons)

Sam Sabri says:

Good point! 

TechyMexican says:

exactly. On my Ativ S they tend to also light up when they are pressed

WP8Expert says:

Actually, they light up when you touch the screen. If you press the Windows key it won't light up.

Rug says:

They better be. If for no other reason than to stop the drastic changes every year. I'm saying this for consistency sake for the end user AND the developer. I use my back button all the time. Same with search. They are not tough concepts. I find the Android menu button concept painful, but the WP three buttons are fine and better than pressing Morse code into a single button like the iPhone. Sheesh.

nelson799 says:

Yeah, can barely see them on my wife's s4 when it's not on. Most likely the same goes for this.

BataBole says:

Yeah, how could we enter multitasking if the capacitive keys aren't there!

SocalTouch says:

Could this be Samsung's reentry to the Windows Phone world? I sure hope so!

adrian1338 says:

I think they just use it to gain further insight into the WP8 Development to support their Tizen and "Message UI" interface

12Danny123 says:

apparently their Magazine UI is gone. same with tizen they slowed down development because of the google deal. i suspect they are doing this is becuase they want to diverse their portfolio or they find an opportunity in the WP market

neolp123 says:

i hope HTC follows....

 

i just want a HTC Titan 3 with full black metal body and i will switch to WP NOW!!! man i miiss my Titan...

brmiller1976 says:

They never left.  For many people on some carriers, like Sprint, Samsung is the best WP choice by a mile.

Re-entry? Samsung's been with Windows Phone since the beginning. They haven't left.

Shodan_HR says:

All samsung devices looks exactly the same, Ugly as hell...

Neo Nuke says:

I thought the original Samsung Focus was awesome for its time.

It also didn't look like other phones

ogracia says:

Last decent desing from Samsung morons

neo158 says:

"desing", sorry to be part of the spelling police but it's "design"!!

adrian1338 says:

Unlike Nokia, right?

brmiller1976 says:

I have to agree with you here.  All of Nokia's designs have been largely derivative of the N9, but I don't hear complaints about "hand-me-down designs" on that side of the house...
 

cannon#WP says:

Because the commentors here think this is NokiaCentral.

ivo_apo says:

Ugly device or ugly comment?
Check stats for SG4 / SG3 shipped phones.

Forc3 says:

Looks more like you are that diehard sammy fanboy lool ever heard of clever advertising? Ever heard of brand? Everyone knows about Galaxy everyone talks about it. Shipments =/= Design. Thats not how this Industry works lol

brmiller1976 says:

Fact is, Nokia's designs didn't sell, for a number of reasons including Nokia's TERRIBLE advertising (remember "the smartphone beta test is over" followed by discontinuation/WP8 fiasco), lousy distribution (70% of American wireless subscribers cannot buy Nokia's best devices on their carrier of choice), stupid design choices (removing wireless charging, unexpandable small memory spaces, etc.)

That's why Nokia discontinued its cell phone business and reorganized as a patent troll with a small base station hardware business, while Samsung's biggest challenge is figuring out how to keep growth going after thoroughly dominating the market.

I'd rather have a healthy Samsung selling Windows Phone everywhere, on all carriers, with a high-end experience than a constantly near-bankrupt Nokia releasing oddball devices that I cannot buy on Verizon, Sprint or T-Mobile and people justifying those bad decisions.

If WP is ever to hit the big leagues, it needs OEM support from players like Samsung.  Period.

Pirate Arr says:

+1 Hate patent trolls. They limit innovation.

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LaNiQuE says:

Yea very not sure what year Samsung design team is stuck in but I recall the Focus line being better then the crap they been doing lately

If they're going to be lazy with design for WP, then at least offer us a Galaxy Note 3 clone sheesh. Wait, it's Samsung, a Galaxy Note 2 clone!

el-ojo says:

I've been waiting for one of those since 2010 :\

Xarok says:

Its those disgusting rounded edges all over it. Makes it look bloated, "fat" and ugly...

Nokias are nice and "chiseled". 

kingjah says:

Not ugly but not durable either...

avigyan says:

Can we see this at MWC?

Games Goblin says:

where is the rumour meter?

Gipped with year old tech, just like the ativ s lol

That's what I expected.
Galaxy S3-S4 specs at best, just before they release the S5.

neo158 says:

Yet Windows Phone doesn't a 50,000 core, 100,000,000 GHz processor to run it so why would they bother with a SD800!!

future proofing? the lumia 1520 has an 800. it's not just the OS itself, there are plenty of other tasks that it would benefit from. i guess all windows phones should have 512mb too because that's enough, right?

Woody91 says:

Why would there be a hardware start button when there wll be an oncreen start button? Doesn't really make sense.

Interesting.
Maybe is could be a choice for OEM and they can claim that screen real estate back having on screen buttons. Who really knows but only time will tell. Great observation there

neo158 says:

That's a choice the OEM makes and not mandatory, in this case they chose to go with hardware buttons.

Aashish13 says:

I want the back button not to vibrate in any WP

Yes. They eats up battery, Ofcourse.

Aashish13 says:

I dont know about the battery. My 720s battery is excellent. The reason I dont want want to vibrate coz its irritating sometimes and mostly while tapping the back button.

You can disable it.

12Danny123 says:

its a Samsung only feature

AngryNil says:

Interesting. Wouldn't turn it off on the 8X, as the vibrate is unobtrusive. My old Omnia 7, on the other hand...

abond32 says:

Looks old and plastic. Not Sold! Rejected!

would you expect anything more from samsung on any of their android phones either, lol

raycpl says:

I want breathing lights....

 

pinkymoshy says:

I hate Samsung

A 4.3" high end WP with SD card support is my dream phone, but I would prefer it to be a Nokia.

adrian1338 says:

Why would you need highend on a 4.3" Screen? Media Content surely not.

AngryNil says:

Wait, what? Are high end desktops also reserved for over 30" monitors too?
Screen size doesn't change this in any way. App can load quicker and games can run at better frame rates. Not to mention that 1080p is 1080p, whether at 4.3" or over 6".

Because the 800x480 screen on my 822 sucks, particularly when viewing dark photos. The black is always horribly pixelated, often same with video.
Also the speed of a quad core processor is advantageous to any screen size, especially with a high MP camera.
I don't like large phones and don't think that I should have to sacrifice specs just to have a manageable sized phone.
Of course it would still have a larger screen than the "high end" iPhone 5s, which seems to be a popular phone.

Chef316 says:

Don't like the physical buttons or the on screen buttons ideas...hopefully Nokia/Microsoft sticks with their current compacitve button setup

mambastik says:

I hate capacitive buttons. I always accidentally press one of them with the fatty part of the thumb when trying to reach over to one of the upper corners when I try to use the 920 with one hand.

Either I over-exaggerate and yoga my thumb to arc up high as to not touch the capacitive buttons, or I actually have to use my second hand. I miss having normal sized phones and being able to use them with just one hand. I still can't get used to the size of the 920 and would happily upgrade to a smaller phone.

You too? I liked the buttons places on my old focus volume on left, power on top right, and the windows button a little lower I'm always hitting the search when open settings page on apps.

cannon#WP says:

Nope, remember by all reports Nokia's first high-end 5" 8.1 phone is going completely on screen.

salsahil says:

It looks just like any other Samsung Galaxy phone, with the exception of the Windows logo it has.

irsyadhhs says:

I really ensure that wp8.1 is gonna be announced at MWC this february

Ma1dere says:

Meh. Samsung is finding its ways to utilize 2013 hardware.

neo158 says:

Riiight, because Windows Phone REQUIRES a SD800 to run it!!!

StevePT says:

Coming to Verizon...? Right, just like the 929 and the Black update for 928 and 822 users...

Well said. I have an 822, still waiting for the Icon...waiting...waiting..grrrrr!

Wait. Remove those vibrations from capacitive buttons.

On an Ativ S you need to go to "extra settings" and turn off Haptic Feedback

Xaphoon148 says:

Think they're just in for the software, suddenly gonna pop up on some Android...

Cruzer1 says:

If its anything like the ATIV S, it'll be a galaxy S with a faux metal finish. Handsome in its own generic way.

I hope Samsung brings this, ativ s and odyssey to India.
Odyssey is so cool with amoled display and that gigantic battery.
And i love the brushed aluminum finish of ativ s

AngryNil says:

It's painted plastic.

So? Cars today are made out of plastic, well at least here in the US

AngryNil says:

Isn't it pretty simple? Painted plastic != brushed aluminium.

That's also a hilarious oversimplication you have there.

dante501 says:

Samsung never left Windows. Ativ S and now comes a new one. See everyone from you whining about Samsung not thinking on WP was to fast to judge.

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Cruzer1 says:

People say Samsung 'left' WP because compared to their first efforts during WP7, its obvious they're not putting as much effort into their phones anymore.

brmiller1976 says:

Actually, Samsung is putting plenty of effort in, especially in the USA.  They dominate WP on Sprint, and have been consistently releasing devices across the Big Three carriers.

Nokia, in contrast, has focused only on AT&T, and largely ignored Verizon and Sprint.

LaNiQuE says:

That phone looks like another we don't really give a shit design with a physical button that only a handful of people want

AngryNil says:

The leading smartphone vendors are Samsung and Apple. Guess whether they offer physical buttons?

When will we have a phone which will support both WP and android? Having the two os on one device would be awesome.

Aashish13 says:

Tu pagal ho gaya hai

psykojello says:

So bored of how every Samsung looks exactly the same as the last. Good for windows phone and Samsung fans, but yawn for me.

Rijald Drace says:

The back button is there.like samsung s4 you dont see them unless you touch them

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Aashish13 says:

So what? Rate it!!

Metal or plastic back?

Jazmac says:

Finally. I hope to god Sammy finally puts up a decent challange to Nokia. Without that, Nokia will never get better.

znellu says:

What's wrong with Nokia now?

Jazmac says:

3 Lumia 920's before I got one that worked. 4 Lumia 900's before I got one that worked?  Sloppy manufacturing processes and a rush to market is the problem. They won't get better if there is no challenge. It needs a reason to improve and right now, there is not the necessary motivation for that.  Now, if this mock up proves true, the process will begin.

Fndlumia says:

I agree as competition drives progress. Soon Nokia will only be making the Asha series and forked android phones as Microsoft has bought the Lumia division so in regards to WP its Microsoft that Samsung will compete with. Nokia branding will soon be absent from the windows phone arena

brmiller1976 says:

Nokia is dead.  It remains to be seen what Microsoft does with Nokia's phone business, but Windows Phone won't succeed long-term without aggressive OEM support.

mrTablet says:

Fake pic? Where is the camera button?

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