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Switching from a Lumia to the HTC One for Windows? Here are the apps you may (or may not) miss

The HTC One M8 for Windows, currently only on Verizon, is expected to get a wider release in the coming weeks and months, including on AT&T in the US. As a result, a few of you are at least contemplating jumping from your Lumia to this new flagship Windows Phone, which looks to be the only one for the next few months. The hardware is certainly compelling and – spoiler alert – so far I am categorically enjoying using it as my daily driver.

However, you may be wondering what you lose by switching over in terms of those Nokia apps. I'll break it down for you.

HERE, here!

Before we jump to the exclusive stuff, I should point out that all of the HERE services are available for all Windows Phones, and not just Lumias. This change in status was announced back in April and the apps include:

  • HERE Maps
  • HERE Drive+
  • HERE Transit

The HERE mapping system uses the same offline maps as the OS, so downloading them once for the default 'Maps' app (which is present on the HTC One) lets them carry over for HERE Maps, HERE Drive+ and HERE Transit.

HERE Drive+ is a big deal for many as it is a free, reliable, GPS navigation system. HERE Drive+ includes things like 'My Commute' to guide you quickly to work and announced street names through the voice-guidance system. (See our recent nav app smack down between Navigon and HERE Drive+ for a comparison).

If you do opt for the HTC One M8 for Windows, on either Verizon or another carrier when available, you still get those apps and services to use. Nice.

No Nokia Collection

Perhaps the bigger deal is by jumping to the HTC One M8 for Windows, you do lose everything in the Nokia Collection.

As it turns out, in August 2014, this is less of a big deal than it was a year ago. The reason? Who remembers when we used to write articles about a brand new app coming to Windows Phone, but they were only available on Lumias? Indeed, it seemed like almost every other week we were writing that story, but that timed-exclusivity has almost disappeared. Almost. As a result, the 'app-gap' within the Windows Phone system is less pronounced back when Nokia was aggressively vying for Windows Phone dominance.

However, that does not mean there are not some fantastic Nokia apps still only available for Lumia devices. Below is that list.

Nokia Collection

As you can see, the Nokia Collection is still significant, especially when compared to HTC or Samsung. Speaking of, what do you get with HTC that is only available on the One M8 for Windows Phone?

HTC Collection

  • Flashlight
  • Converter
  • HTC Photo Edit
  • Video Highlights
  • HTC BlinkFeed
  • HTC Sense TV
  • HTC Camera

HTC's list is not nearly as comprehensive, but they do overlap with some of Nokia's, including Photo Edit and Camera. Additionally, things like Sense TV, which is HTC's remote control app for your TV demoed earlier, is unique to the One M8. Video Highlights is also a great app that rounds up your photos based on time and location, sets them to music with visual effects and lets you share the 30-second creation to social networks (I'll do a demo in a separate article).

Does it matter?

If you straight up compare apps to apps, it is clear Lumias still maintain a healthy advantage over HTC, especially when it comes to the camera and photography. Some of those differences become more evident with a forthcoming firmware update for Lumias too, so there are still advantages today – and tomorrow – by going with a Lumia.

Still, just because you can use all of those Lumia apps does not mean you do. Personally speaking, I rarely use things like Cinemagraph, Refocus, Glam Me, or Photobeamer. I certainly appreciate how awesome those apps can be, but when I consider how I use my phone on a daily basis, those apps rarely factor into my usage. Other apps, like Refocus or Video Trimmer, have analogs on the HTC One. For instance, Refocus is built into HTC Camera, and when the app is set to auto, it spontaneously captures the full refocus image. In that regard, HTC Camera – at least for refocusing – is superior to the Nokia method, whereby you have to plan.

Interestingly, Microsoft's Video Tuner is still a Lumia-exclusive, so HTC One users cannot use that excellent app, which is a bit of a shame.

The conclusion to take away is this: If you are using a Lumia Windows Phone right now, reflect how often you use those apps in the above list. If you swear by them and consider those apps a routine part of your smartphone experience, then you may want to re-think switching. If, however, you rarely use them, jumping ship to HTC is not that big of a deal.

Personally speaking I cannot say in switching I am desperately missing any of those Lumia apps, even if I appreciate how well done they are. When it comes to photos, I am more of a post-edit kind of person, and let us be honest you are unlikely to be buying the HTC One because you want the best smartphone camera around. In fact, you likely think snapping pics as secondary to the overall phone experience, in which case those missing Nokia apps are not a big deal. The point being, people's opinions on this vary, and you should consider where you fall on the spectrum.

More to come

Finally, in this article I looked at the apps that are unique to the Lumia line versus HTC, but there are also the Lumia-exclusive features found in their Lumia Cyan firmware like Glance Screen. I'll take a look at that next time.

So give it some thought and let me know in comments where you stand. Are those Nokia apps invaluable to you or do you think you can live without them?

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Switching from a Lumia to the HTC One for Windows? Here are the apps you may (or may not) miss

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I mean now that Microsoft bought Nokia, I think the Nokia collection should be available across all devices...

At this stage it's in MS' best interest to get as many new people buying ANY brand of WP, not just Lumias.   We can't just have 'lumia as the best WP due to exlusive apps'.  We need a LOT of brand competition happening.  The more brands that come on board with all the top features, the more WP sells.  The more WPs sold, the more people learn about it - the more people it attracts.  Thus market share can grow.

 "Otherwsie why we'd buy it?"

Speak for yourself but I don't buy Lumias simply for the exlusive apps and I'm sure most people I ask would back me up on that.  I buy a phone based on how it suits my needs and so far I'm happy with the size of my 1520.  I buy it because I like it.  I like its hardware.  I like its excellent camera hardware.  I like its screen.  I like its call quality.  I like Nokia as a company, whereas I don't have so much faith in HTC.  That's why!

Not so much exclusive apps, but Microsoft will continue to differentiate themselves through hardware and software advances. OEMs can do the same e.g. HTC's Dot View case.

no updates here for my l820 DP India. i guess its release is limited. n how did u get it by unclicking that preview app or regular?

people with l820 have got it in india.. but Dvlpr Preview hvnt got it till now. so may be its msft will rollout for DP which they had stopped before. they hv resumed for 1520. may be a wider release will b ther in near future

True, but presumably - or hopefully? - they did not buy Nokia for this point in time. Therefore, I hope MS keeps developing some NEW exclusives, or timed exclusives. And not just in imaging.

Great points. I love the Lumia camera hardware so I won't be switching, but WP needs diversification..it can only help the platform in the long run.

Well as someone who has used both Nokia and HTC extensively I can say I waited a loooong time for Nokia to finally release a smartphone with a MS OS. I've been using smartphones since the first one debuted on T-Mobile in August of 2002 - wow I can't believe it's been 12 years now - back when HTC wasn't even a "brand" they made their phones for the carriers. In the case of the first one it was the T-Mobile Pocket PC Phone Edition. And with the exception of the HP 3605 I used from 2004 - 2005 all my Windows Mobile phones were HTC's; the last one being my favorite the HD7. I waited until the spring of 2012 after Nokia had finally released their first WP7 handset in the US to move to Windows Phone. HTC is a good mfg but where they fall short vs a Nokia is in their software implementation i.e. Sense ect. IMO Nokia hardware with WP8.1 software is the perfect marrige of beautiful hardware and a smooth great software experience. The Lumia 1520 I'm now using is the best smartphone I've ever owned. Period.

Superb hardware quality, design, hardware features, etc. Neither the Nokia nor the HTC offer is a game changer. Only Here is a game changer and its for all WP's.

Why it should not be exclusive.

  • If the OS is used broadly among all manufactures then your experience should be the same across OEM’s
  • What should distinguish phones are the size, shape, spec’s and overall quality

95% of them are camera related specific to lumia cameras and the biggest, app folders, has been made irrelevant. Not a whole lot that can be made available which would be usable besides mix radio.

I'm not sure about that 95% remark there...

Camera Specific (Image Taking) - Nokia Cinemagraph, Nokia Pocket Magnifier (though this isn't a capture program, it does require the camera)

Image Editing - Nokia Refocus, Nokia Glam Me

Image Sharing - Nokia Storyteller, Nokia Creative Studio, Nokia Video Trimmer, Nokia Video Upload, Photobeamer, Nokia Beamer

Music and NFC - MixRadio, TreasureTag, Nokia Play To, Nokia Car App

So, the editing apps would be nice, but honestly, just bring me MixRadio and Play To and I am a Happy Camper!

Doesn't Nokia still own it's software, not Microsoft? Microsoft owns the mobile and hardware division I believe, so the software is still held by Nokia. Correct me if I'm wrong.

How is the colour accuracy of the HTC screen?  I have found just about all mobile phones I've used do not have good colour balance out of the gate... either too warm or too cool.  The Lumia color profile really rescues all of my lumias so the screen is bearable.  As a photo nerd, this is actually one of the most important lumia features to me.  Since you say that MS owns all the nokia stuff now, is there any chance that the Lumia color profile has made it to non-lumia devices? 

HTC has the best selfie \ Skype camera. So yes you could be buying it if you want the best camera around.

Lumia 1020 has 1.2mp on the front. So it is something special...it's about time we have a good camera on the front..

It also has a 41 megapixel camera in the back to the HTC 4.....again nothing special. Try again lol.

Enjoy your front facing speakers. At least you have that. Hahaha

Obviously you don't do much Skyping. 1.2 is garbage. That's what most phones have on the front and the quality is horrible.

Indeed, i have the HTC 8X with a 2.1 mp ffc and it is way clearer than a 1.2 mp on a lumia (I use Skype alot on my phone).

If the m8 comes to t-mobile I'll get it because of 5mp ffc, SD slot, and RF remote. Three things my 1020 doesn't have.

I had the 8XT, those front facing speakers were the main thing that I miss about that phone compared to the L925. The other was the superior flashlight app. As simple as the htc flashlight is, and how simple all the other flashlight apps were, it just seemed like it worked better. I rarely use any of the Nokia specific apps, aside from the camera.

Whatever man I switched my tmo lumia 925 after 6 exchange phones with hardware problems to a nexus 5. Almost forgot what good apps are. Oh I'm loving it. The best thing I did was let go of the darn wp. It was hard because I had the whole ecosystem but this phone is worth it. Waitin for the nexus 6. I'm not coming back to wp till they sort out their app gap and simple build quality.

I agree with you on everything except the build quality. For the most part Nokia build quality is top notch. Just because you were having problems with the 925 means all their phones are like that. I had my 920 and never had a problem. Even the Nexus have their problems
along with the Samsung galaxy series as far as hardware is concern.

YOU must have been the lucky one, the 920 was one of the worse phones I've had defect-wise. Nokia phones are durable, but not quality.

I was lucky too, it seems. My Lumia (Enceladus, for that is her name) has been faultless.

The HTC has me in a real quandry. What I miss out on in things like Glance are largely obviated by the Dot View case and the SD card slot, but that camera simply isn't good enough.

Right now, the replacement race is between the Lumia 930, 1520 or the HTC. If Sony release a Windows Phone version of the Z2, that would jump straight to the top.
 

I somehow agree with you. I'm Lumia user and I'm not against other devices that runs WP OS (except for Samsung, they should remain on LAGDROID OS) but I can't live without HERE apps. I use it almost daily.

Didn't Daniel write that you don't lose Here apps moving to the HTC One?  Only the Nokia Collection apps.

Its unclear if MS acquired all of those apps. HERE stuff they are simply licencing, they don't own the stuff. It is also unclear to me if HTC One gets global navigation licence for HERE, despite map download being available through other app?

Agree, seeing that all HERE apps and services are available for free also looking at the Nokia list MixRadio is the only app that would keep me with Nokia devices as well as the camera hardware itself however seeing I pay for the MicRadio as long as the app is available will be ready and good to change in the future.

P.S. Firmware updates for Nokia also is released sooner brining latest OS updates therefore that's another one to keep in mind.

That post script is kind of important. If HTC don't geliver on the 8X and 8S, then that's might make me demur.

I remember two things about my HD7: the battery was barely adequate and I had to use Windows7.8er to upgrade to WP7.8.

If I'm going to splash out £500 on a device, I want to know it will be supported until I pass it on to the next owner.
 

Here maps and here drive stink now. Bing maps is now front and center on 8.1. Also Bing just added transit inf for Japan. Here Drive no longer works on most Bluetooth car kits. App seems dead, here president resigned.

All Nokia apps stinks when you pay a lot for a non Nokia phone and you don't have the great Nokia software... Sure...

Tell that to my wife...we searched for a place by name and she drove there...it lead her to the middle of nowhere, miles from the destination. I looked later and the place name did come up, but had a totally wrong address. Google maps found it right away.

Posted via the WPC App for Android!

Had that happen to me once. However, it was Bing that was wrong not Here Maps... Here Maps has never let me down.

Just doesn't sound credible comment, I'm sorry. So your wife didn't see where she was before she left AND didn't realize going to the wrong way while going? And "Posted via the WPC App for Android!" sure doesn't help...

Ditto. No way I'd switch from a Lumia as my main driver.

Mind you, that does not mean I won't be adding the HTC One to my collection eventually. But just like HTC's previous Win8 devices, they would be more tertiary in use, than primary.

Good riddance to HERE..if I was changing to HTC... Have a 920 and I said bye -bye to that crap app by just switching to CoPilot. Not perfect but not the mess HERE is.

Here is a mess??? How exactly... And if you would have read the article properly you would have realized you get here on HTC aswell

I is not "a mess" at all but not "reliable" either. This summer I went to Southern California and Here made lots of errors. Tooke me two streets away from destination, several times panicked when I was getting close and made me exit or take turns in the wrong direction. Then I would change its mind and and make me turn back to the original route.

Agreed! Everytime I need to use it, it takes me the long route no matter what my settings are...i then have to delete and reinstall HERE! So damn stupid.

How did you come to the conclusion the poster knew where they were going? There could be a number of reasons why they've discovered they were being taken a longer route.

I actually noticed that this past weekend Here wanted to take me 40 mins out of the way...I use Waze. I was into here drive and my commute until it never ever gave me alternatives even though I drove a different routes just to set it...

Here hasn't been updated in a while. MSFT needs a better included navigation app. I'm testing out copilot but first impression is bad since it's missing my 5 year old street.

I switched from an Icon and of all of the Nokia apps, Here and Here Transit are the only ones I used.

Just wanted to tell u that you can download the blinkfeed app to your Nokia Lumia if your phone is developer unlocked.
The APP works smoothly and perfectly.

You can buy Qi receivers that plug into the microUSB port.  You'd probably want to get a case to put over it but yeah it's possible.

Simple, buy a Qi Coil that attaches to the phone via USB & a case ... It's been done before.
Check out xda developers in the one m7 section

Glance, ClearBlack, Wireless charging.   I would miss all of those...

On the other hand the HTC One is a VERY pretty phone and it HAS AN SD CARD SLOT.

I never use wireless charging, and clearblack isn't really noticeable on the 920.
And yeah, HTC has microSD, looks and feels more premium (I like that more), and loads of other stuff!

You two are likely going to get the One before I do, I didn't get my 920 at launch and have only had it since the beginning of the year and am still underemployed (I hope I get news changing that tomorrow).

Because of that I will delay the possibility of getting a new phone until the end of the year at which point I'll try to see what rumors there are about new MM/Nokia devices.   My preference would in fact be a MM/Nokia device with microSD, Glance, wireless charging and a 5" or so display.

The HTC One is a very pretty phone though and I hope it sells well, HTC supports it, and people like it.

Yes definitely I miss glance wireless charging clear black display and my 41mp camera for sure. Although looking for memory card and good speakers you are tempt to switch.

Same here, my Lumia 920 died and had my HTC8X laying around, but to be honest i never used a nokia app. They were installed but never opened haha. So like you I'm only missing the double tap to wake and glance, but hey I can ;ive without them, been using the HTC8X for 6 months now (no problems with the phone)

Yeah looking through the Nokia Collection list, there's not many Apps i'd miss.

For me it's more about the enhancements they've made to the OS through their own updates (Cyan etc).

I'd certainly miss Glance and, on the hardware side, the Wireless Charging that even my clunky old 820 has. 

Great article Daniel thanks. For me Glance is probably my favorite Nokia feature and for now, I refuse to give it up!

Time to repost that forum etiquette article that you featured me in....that should be a requirement to read before being able to join WPC

How is HTC photo edit compared to Nokia Creative Suite?

Also, I love cineamagraph. I don't use it that much but people love it when they see the results. Might have sold a couple lumias just with that app.

I'll do a hands on video, probably tomorrow, showing what it is all about. It's not as comprehensive, but it does do some very unique (and cool) things tied to the Duo camera.

I looked through my L925 and noticed I didn't use any of those Nokia specific apps. I'm willing to switch to a high end phone with qi charging that's not a Lumia.

No biggie for me because even when I was with Android, I always had two Android phones. Now that I'm fully using WP, I still have two phones with me: presently it's the 1520 and 925. If I decided to switch to HTC One M8 for Windows, I'll just sell my 925 so I'll end up still with two phones,  the 1520 and the One - the best of both worlds.

Thanks but no thanks. In any case, my 925's LTE will probably not work where you are because it only works in Southeast Asia. Besides, I don't even know if HTC will release the phone here in SEA.

Thanks for this review. Love the M8, and had a surround 7 before a Lumia, but I use the Lumia Apps too much to switch (at this time) - plus 1020 is still king of mobile photography. Are the Lumia apps specific to Nokia Lumia hardware or should we look forward to MS rebranding these apps to be marketable on non Lumia devices?

"Are the Lumia apps specific to Nokia Lumia hardware or should we look forward to MS rebranding these apps to be marketable on non Lumia devices?"

Many, if not all, are tied to the Lumia firmware. So it is doubtful they will be released for all phones.

What is to say that those apps won't be built for non lumia models? If their apps are worth how MS promotes them, why not pass them on to all WP devices? I suspect MS to drop that wall at some point.

It does not look so bad, I thought it would be worse, seriously considering the One M8 now, Here Drive+ was the most important app I tought I might miss, but since it is here, the M8 is looking better by the minute.

No chance of me switching, its all nice and shiny now, in 6 months time when they forget it ever existed is the problem. That's when the former Nokia team releases another update or app that makes the device like new. Lumia all the way!

True, the guys at Nokia always found a way to add that secret sauce to the updates making the entire range better, albeit with cyan the higher end devices got a large helping of that compared to older and Low end models. Hopefully we don't see that happen again with debian red, however not holding my breath.

Love MixRadio too. Maybe it will go out to all phones and platforms once MS gets done "streamlining" everything.

More than apps, I worry about updates. I have a 8X and I'm still waiting on the Update 1 preview. Lumia devices got this a while ago.

The only app from that list that I use is mix radio and Pandora and Spotify work just fine for my needs to fill that. Im heavily considering the One M8, but I'm trying to hold out to see how the Lumia 830 performs.

Yeah, both seem just fine options to me. The M8's design though, is a lot more compelling than my brick Icon. But that's such a simple change. I didn't know that HERE was available on all devices though, so that's a big plus. :) maybe the ATIV SE is worth my next look...

Don't get the SE. The One is the same price and ten times the phone. If you must, at least wait until it's updated to 8.1. Developer Preview doesn't play well with that phone.

Yep and the app available on the store is a Lumia only version. The author may want to edit the story to include that. It is a MAJOR thing to be missing...

There hasn't really been much of an app gap between Nokia and the other OEMs for ages. This was always a myth peddled by Nokia followers. Especially once the Here suite was made available on all WP phones. Now someone will tell me about double tap to wake....guess what I have a physical button (one tap to wake )

In the early ages of windows phone 8.0 and 7.5; there were many third party apps that were exclusive to Nokia Devices like ESPN and others...but in the past year most of those exclusives went away. 

MixRadio, glance screen and wireless charging are more than enough of a reason to keep me with my Lumia :)

When it comes to photography I don't think that htc will stand a competition to Nokia. Yeah the htc has got the "ultra pixel" camera, but who cares. Most buyers would opt the pure-view technology.

It would be nice to compare the hardware "creature comforts" of Lumia vs HTC like clearblack display, Sunlight readability mode, HAAC mics etcetera

This is something I've been thinking about, so thanks for that. Question: do you think that Microsoft will eventually make these "Nokia" apps available to people with other hardware? I saw the benefit to Nokia of having these exclusives before the sale to Microsoft, but much less so now. 

Don't you think Microsoft would like to give people reasons to buy their own branded hardware as well? After all they did pay a few billion dollars for the hardware expertise, would it make sense to spend all that money and then make no effort to sell their own hardware? Not really seeing the reasoning why this is suggested so many times.

It's funny these people wanting Lumia stuff on their non Lumia phone aren't calling for exclusives to be dropped.....nope they think it os okay for Lumia stuff to come to them but not the other way around.

"Don't you think Microsoft would like to give people reasons to buy their own branded hardware as well? "

Exactly. They want the Windows/Microsoft ecosystem everywhere. BUT, they want the premium/best experience on their own hardware. Look towards more exclusive/premium features soon, they are not stopping now that they own Nokia's smartphone group.

I fundamentally disagree. I don't think it makes any sense whatsoever for Microsoft to be doing exclusives for their own hardware. It's roughly the equivalent of offering Office exclusively on the Surface.

It's generally not helpful in getting other OEMs on board. I don't think that's debatable.

Did Google offer any exclusive apps on their Nexus phones? I know my Nexus 7 doesn't. 

Do you KNOW that Microsoft is planning more exclusive apps for the Lumia phones? You sound like it, and I'm curious if that's actually the case. 

never had a lumia, had an 8x, so i never used any of those apps anyway. just got the m8 and can try it for 14 days. so far it's ok, haven't taken any pictures, but that's not that important to me.

do miss the wireless charging, though. i'll wait for your review later this week and see what you have to say.

then i'll make a decision on whether to trade it for the icon.

Definitely sticking to Lumia over the HTC m8. They have such a pathetic catalog lol. And it isn't about the apps. It's about os enhancements as well. And software updates.

"I wouldn't get an M8 even if they gave it to me for free" - Micah Dawson.
If Lumia was a dick, Micah Dawson would be riding it HARRRRRD!

Daniel... you say: "As a result, a few of you are at least contemplating jumping from your Lumia to this new flagship Windows Phone, which looks to be the only one for the next few months."

I'm a T-Mobile guy using the 925 for over a year now and DYING to get a new flagship WP (strongly considering the 1520.3 to use on T-Mobile). When you say "a few months," are you implying we may not see another flagship WP until 2015? I'm holding out hope for the 1525 to show up before then. What do you think?

I have said it a few times already, and will repeat here: I have seen zero evidence for a 'Lumia 1525'. That is not to say it does not exist, but if it does, it has escaped my and my sources.

As far as I know, the HTC One is the only flagship phone for the rest of the year. However, what Samsung is up to is anyone's guess. I do not expect any more highend Lumias though, not for awhile. Just Lumia 730 and 830 (which are both looking awesome).

Well, McLaren was that phone, but it got canned (though the tech may come back in the future). Also, most Windows Phones sell in the low to mid range, so that is where many are focusing.

Still, there is hope. If HTC does well, no reason that LG or Samsung may not port over their Android flagships, right? Plus Threshold in the spring and before then, the new 'D' series Lumia firmware will keep things exciting.

I think we'll see a Surface phone before another high end Lumia. MS said they were focusing Lumia towards middle to low range. That fits with the tablet market in regards to Surface 2 vs Lumia 2520.

That is extremely disappointing. I don't want the HTC One M8 camera. Over sampled pixels. And no expandable memory?

Sigh.  Yeah, that's what i figured.  I thought maybe at the Berlin show next week Nokia/Microsoft might surprise with another flagship product for the holidays (aside from the 730 & 830). Oh well, 1520.3, here I come.

As far as I know, the HTC One is the only flagship phone for the rest of the year.

I've been wondering about that for a while now.  If it wasn't for the HTC One I would be just slightly shy of enraged at MS for allowing that to happen as I view the Icon/930 as a near miss not having an SD Card Slot and Glance, and the 1520 as too large.

I can't say that I am thrilled at the idea of no flagship Lumia device this winter as your upcoming article will highlight a few features of Lumia's that I find significant if not critical.   I really have to salute Nokia for creating Glance, it really is a nice feature and I find it VERY handy and with custom backgrounds, rather pleasing as well.    I would also miss ClearBlack and Super Sensitive touch.

That said I like the M8's look and appreciate that it has an SD Card Slot and I hope that it sells well as a WP device.   I MAY pick it up on AT&T, as it might be a long wait until we get a flagship Lumia next spring alongside Threshold/WP9(?).

Agreed that hardware is more important than Nukia's exclusive apps.
Dunno if SN will even keep manufacturing devices. SB pissed off all the OEMs which is why Windows got doodoo devices for many years. SN might stray from making the same error as his predecessor.
Don't think SB even wanted to do Surface in the first place but the Asian OEMs weren't playing ball and MS needed quality devices in the market to put pressure on OEMs...

I see Nokia being sold with some patent sharing arrangement with the buyer. JMO

From what I've read of your posts I've liked your analysis and conclusions, in this case though I really hope you're wrong.   The shareholders may hate the idea of MS holding on to Nokia's Devices and Services division but I really hope they do.  I think MS gains some significant advantages being able to co-ordinate advances in hardware and features with software development and they are in a stronger position not being at the whim of the decisions of other OEMs.  

I really hope that HTC does well with the HTC One M8 WP version and that other OEMs have satisfactory levels of success with their WP devices.   I don't think it's healthy to have a one horse race market (although clearly Apple can do it).  I hope that other OEM's are at least satisfied with the sales of their WP devices, we can't have too many companies like Huawei drop out of the market.  We've already had somewhat anemic efforts from Samsung and somewhat more robust efforts from HTC and I'd love to see companies like Motorola and Sony enter into the WP fray.

There's three segments to hit, right?
Low, middle, and high...
Another plausible scenario is Nokia cedes the upper market. They target low and mid, but they would need to do mid right. This situation pits other manufacturers to compete on both sides of the fence. MS is then unimposing whilst still accomplishing the goal of generating those robust devices from other OEMs.
As you mention, the sales gotta be there to warrant continued releases. The very first coinciding release of the same phone with a choice in OS will speak volumes to calculating interest in WP.
But to your original point, the next Nokia flagship. Unexpected. It's too threatening at this precipice of WP's future...

I don't know...   With the exception of the HTC One all we've heard about from other OEM's is low end and mid range WP devices, with a skew towards the low end.   If MM Oy were to drop a segment I'd prefer to see them drop or minimize their offerings on the low end of the market.   Microsoft can support a long term investment even if it represents a long term loss whereas other OEM's won't have that level of commitment, so I would prefer that they continue to create flagship devices and attempt to innovate new features as Nokia did.

As far as analyzing the success of the HTC One with WP I am not sure it's going to be super easy.   The release certainly wasn't coinciding in time, the Android version been out for months now and those that liked the design and may have given WP the time of day in their decision were not offered that choice at the time of launch.  Going forward we may see other simultaneous Android and WP launches of the same phone.

Yes, maybe a new MM Oy flagship release in November followed up by another in April/June of 2015 would be too much for the carriers and the weak WP market to handle.   So I am happy that HTC has released the WP version of the One, because from my perspective the Icon/930 and the 1520 just wasn't going to suffice.   WP isn't a big enough pool for too many flagships, yet it requires hardware that is going to create excitement.   I've said it many times before but without a SD Card Slot and Glance the Icon/930 is a close miss, but a miss all the same and the 1520 is just too big to hit the sweet spot at this time.  They are both nice devices and no doubt are well loved by those that bought them, but we are looking at a stagnant if not declining market share (at least in the US) and we cannot afford that.

Unfortunately, as with so many issues perception is key, and that's something MS often f*cks up...

Too true... It's already August. Only leaks have been about 730 and 830, both mid-range in different respects. If there is going to be another '14 flagship, it would have been leaked already, no?

I will only miss HERE services but those are available on any WP and will be available on Android and iOS in the near future too.

I get irritated from the constant threat to leave coming from that guy but he's right, Here will eventually find it's way to Android and iOS.

I have the L920 DP on att. I've tried that before it never seems to work on my device, probably because I don't have cyan not sure. Im planning to get this phone when it comes to att because there is no new high end lumia's on att sad thanks for the help though.

The M8 with Cortana on Dotview looks awesome. Most of these apps will be missed but the M8 and all of its goodness will make up for it. From 1020 to an M8...Goodbye Lumia (for now).

Only thing I would miss is Nokia's camera (and the Nokia Camera app), but I'm not really into photography anyway. This article definitely improves perception of the HTC One.

I'll certainly heard to att when they get the one m8 to play with it and compare with my 1520 I'm also going to hear that LG it's indeed coming out with the uni8 they're g3 with WP 8.1.1.

Just got the Icon after my 5th htc 8x started to fail on me...no way i'll go back to htc after that terrible phone. Loving my icon! 

I think that this "new" device is overrated, WP ecosystem is a recyble bin for HTC?, no good sales with android as they want and shazam.... a new WP device (M8)!!!! well i think this device looks like a wanna be iphone, WP needs better devices with waterproof capabilities, better camera  and some real inovations, sapphire protection, QHD displays, 64 bit processors, as of today the technical specs of this "new" phone are already obsolete, i am not feel confident with HTC quality and support, and this is a recycled device. what about 4k video record capabilities??

I think the market has shown that being first for hardware advances e.g. PureView, ClearBlack, Super Sensitive touch, 41 MP camera, RAW support, Wireless charging does not automatically translate into explosive sales, so I question your assertions as the solution. There is more to it than just specs.

Even when Windows Phone gets put on a flagship Android devices, sites like Engadget and the Verge still criticize it.

"what about 4k video record capabilities"

Hmm ;)

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