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I'm talking to my Windows Mobile peeps here: the gauntlet has been thrown down and thrown down hard. Everybody's atwitter about the iPod announcements yesterday and here's what I think it means for WM:

First - that iPod Touch, if Apple ever decides to get serious about adding PDA functionality, is serious competition for the non-smartphone PDA market. It's a market that's been shrinking fast (one of the reasons we here at WMExperts basically avoid it altogether) and I foresee it shrinking faster.

Second, and most importantly, I'll let Mike at Phone different have a word here from his "Phone different: 8GB iPhone: $399, Ringtones" article:

Holy smokes! Apple has put a $200 price cut on the 8 GB iPhone, and dropped the 4GB version altogether. That's right, the 8GB iPhone is now $399. Where do I line up for my $200 check? I'm equal parts filled with rage for paying a $200 early adopter fee, and equal parts filled with glee for a $200 price cut. I'm glad that it makes the iPhone that much more accessible for everyone else. I just feel a little sore when I sit, that's all.

Holy smokes indeed. I'd like to crow about how the price drop means the iPhone hasn't been moving as well as Apple hoped, but I don't really think that's the case. Instead, I think that it clearly means that Apple is serious about bare-knuckled fighting in the smartphone space1. I also think it means that we can expect a hardware update to the iPhone sooner than we may have previously expected - mayhap price drop to clear inventory?

In other words, Microsoft knew the iPhone was a threat before, now Apple's made it a big, spiky threat. I know this will ramp up the recent rumors of a Zune Phone, but I'm still of the opinion that Windows Mobile 7 / Photon will feature radically improved media (and browser, pretty please) functionality. Windows Mobile will absorb Zune functionality, not the other way around.

1 Yes, I'll admit it's basically a smartphone, at least it is now that you can hack it to get native apps. It's no true SDK, but I suppose it's enough. Yes, that's a turnabout. No, I don't want any to hear any guff about it.

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Here's the original How-To: Full YouTube on Windows Mobile post. The thread to download the necessary files that zbop created is here. You'll need to be a registered member of the forums in order to download, I'd recommending starting that here.

Hat tip to Mike over at Phone different for making the joke that inspired this video. As long as I'm referencing the iPhone, I should mention a couple things just so I don't get flamed into oblivion: Windows Mobile browsers stink compared to the iPhone's, as I've mentioned before; also - you'll need either a fast processor or to do some tweaking on a device with a slow one; yes, it's aggravating to have to deal with those sorts of settings; and yes - there's more lag than is strictly ideal.

So many caveats, so little time. Note how I artfully restrained myself from an infinite regression beginning with posting a video of me watching this video on a Mogul - that way lies madness.

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HTC Touch vs. iPhone, Part 2: Video Smackdown

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Good iPhone Review

Over at Phone different, Mike Overbo just posted his full review of the iPhone. There are a lot of little surprising bits in there, so it's definitely worth the read. Since I'm slowly becoming the "iPhone troll in residence" amongst our little family of sites, I'm going to post the relevant 'graf for WM users (For featurephone users, it's a 9/10, btw):

It will take some big software updates to compete effectively against Blackberries and Windows Mobile and the like in the business segment. Heavy email users will want to utilize their business webmail interface (in Exchange, it's Outlook Web Access) and the VPN option for security. **On the business side, the iPhone is currently 7/10**; a "C" if you want arbitrary letter grades.

Read: Phone different: Review: Apple iPhone 8GB

I'd say I agree with that, actually. Maybe a 6/10 for me on the productivity side, but where Mike dings the iPhone for certain problems I sideswipe it. It's not that the problems can't ultimately be fixed via updates (they could) or that they're that monumental (I'm undecided), it's just that they exist in exactly the places where I need a smartphone to be powerful - Mail, ToDo, and yes, 3rd party apps.

I've been using the iPhone for a week and after a week's worth of use I was impressed, but ultimately it's not for me. I'm back to using the HTC Touch as my main brain right now. I'll explain more later this week in Part 2 of my iPhone vs. HTC Touch articles. In the meantime, check out Mike's review (and no, I'm not just linking it because it's my name on the test email and text pics).

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I know, I know, everybody's all atwitter over various iPhone software elements making their way to Windows Mobile. The latest is this keyboard over at XDA-Developers, which would be nice if you had a screen as large as the iPhone's. You don't, so this keyboard is going to be a single-index-finger affair. That's nice, it also utilizes Windows Mobile's predictive text, which has an advantage over the iPhone in that it will auto-complete a word for you with a tap. No, it's not as smart as the iPhone's "fix it after you type it" style, but it's still pretty nice.

However - I much prefer one of two other options: a physical keyboard or, barring that, SPB Full Screen Keyboard. It's $9.95 and works great. SPB did try to put in some of that fancy predictive magic that iPhone users have, but in my experience it's not all that useful. What is useful is that it's in landscape mode (it can do portrait too, but I'd advice against it). This, my friends, is eminently thumb-able. If you are one of the strange / lucky ones with a WM touchscreen device sans physical keyboard, this is what you want.

See, the nice thing about a Smartphone* is that if the built-in functionality isn't enough for you, you can hunt down and install 3rd-party applications to fill the gap. :p

This application won't analyze your next possible character like the iPhone does, but it is a skin for the Windows Mobile keyboard so you'll still get the native predictive word functions that you normally have.

Read: jkOnTheRun: Does this Windows Mobile iKeyboard look familiar?

( * Yes, I know this "the iPhone isn't a smartphone" thing is fast becoming a losing argument what with some decent web-apps coming out and the likelihood of serious updates from Apple in the near future. It's still mostly true (especially on a plane, hey?) and it's still completely fun to write. )

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Add another site to the growing list of people making iPhone-like interfaces, only this time with a catchier name: WhoNeedsAniPhone.com. I can't say I'm on board with using Flash to develop the interface - yes, it's very fast and yes it lets you get "the pretty" relatively quickly. But in exchange for that it's a bit of a resource hog and (somebody correct me if I'm wrong here) it isn't going to be as compatible with the pantheon of WM devices as it ought to be.

In any case, if the iPhone has taught us nothing else, it's taught us that while using a stylus is acceptable for PDAs, it flat out sucks having to use it with a smartphone. If I can't use a smartphone one-handed, I can't use that smartphone as my main brain, period. That the reason that I'm anti-slider most of the time.

Let's just hope that the interface that rolls out of this beta program doesn't feature as many sentences in ALL CAPS as the about page does. :p

When I opened up a new project for a Windows Moblie device in CS3 and started digging around it became clear to me... THIS WOULD BE A FANTASTIC DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT TO BUILD A NEW COOL INTERFACE FOR A WINDOWS MOBILE PHONE! Thats when I started playing around... and within only a few hours I was able to have a new launcher screen up and running with shortcuts to several apps on my device sporting full PNG transparency support, a full screen interface, and interactive and dynamic content using the wonders of Flash itself!

Read: WhoNeedsAniPhone.com via Phone different

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HTC Touch vs iPhone, Part 1

Here they are on my desk, sitting quietly next to each other. On the inside, though, both are smoldering cauldrons of hate and jealousy. Seriously, there's almost steam rising out of the speaker grills on each phone. We'll get to software in part two (here's a preview, though, it's apples and oranges / featurephone v smartphone), but for today let's just compare the hardware. I'm sure that nobody out there would actually base their purchasing decision between these two on which is thinner (iPhone), but it's still fun to look.

Read on for some pics and thoughts.

Buttons

The HTC Touch has the fewest buttons of any WM device I've used. It's positively button-aenemic, there's power on the top, a camera button, the 5-way, send, end, and a volume slider. Given my standard usage habits, I found this to be pretty aggravating.

Of course, compared to the iPhone the Touch is just awash in buttons. The iPhone has power, home, a volume rocker and a ringer switch. On both devices the tactile feedback on the buttons is satisfying - both have good clicky-ness, though the iPhone's button have more travel.

I know, I know, I'm writing about buttons on devices whose main selling point is that they don't primarily use buttons. Fine, let's move on. Before I do, though, slightly related to buttons are indicator lights. The Touch has 'em (elegantly hidden within the speaker grille and blinking in various colors and rates to tell you your signal for Cell, WiFi, and Bluetooth), the iPhone does not.

Advantage: Touch. Yes, I get what Apple's aiming for here, but the Touch is example #1 that you can have some buttons without killing the elegance of the device.

Touchscreens

Sorry, HTC. The touch loses, but it's not your fault. You thought the touch was playing in the big leagues, but it turns out it was just AAA ball. The touchscreen on the Touch is really very good - it's actually among the top 2 or 3 touchscreens I've ever used in my life, actually. It's not a gigantic screen, but compared to some of the stuff I'd been using lately (Treos and Blackjacks), it's more than enough. Brightness, response, contrast, etc etc.. All fine, good even.

But the screen on the iPhone is just abso-@$@#$@-lutely stupendous. It's gigantic, 3.5 inches, and high-res, and it sports 160 pixels per inch. It's bright. It has the oft-mentioned "multitouch" feature which is fun (but won't change your life, sorry).

The iPhone also has an ambient light sensor tucked away in there so it doesn't blast your eyes out when you're using it in the dark or fail to even appear on in direct sunlight. It's really nice. Also nice is the proximity sensor that prevents it from working when held up to your face. Finally, the iPhone's glass surface really does feel much nicer than the Touch's plastic.

Advantage: iPhone. "Advantage" isn't the right word here. It's a blowout, it's almost not even fair.

Dimensions

The short of it is that the iPhone is thinner and taller, but they are about the same width. Their weight also isn't all the noticeable to me, either.

The long of it is that physically-speaking they're both very satisfying devices to hold in your hand. I prefer the soft-touch-paint approach of the Touch a little more than the brushed-metal feel of the iPhone, I think it helps grip-ability more. But the brushed-metal of the iPhone isn't exactly a slippery doomsday scenario, it seems fine.

The iPhone is more rounded than the Touch on the sides, which is nice but not essential.

Advantage: iPhone by a slim margin. It's a surprising result, perhaps, but I stand by it. Yes, the iPhone is more elegant and polished overall than the Touch. But the Touch's short stature makes it feel very nice held up to the ear and in your hand. By comparison, I'm almost tempted to call the iPhone a slab.

iPhone vs Touch Hardware edition: iPhone wins.

The Touch held up remarkably well for me, much better than expected when I was imagining it next to the juggernaut that is Apple hardware design. It put up a valiant effort, but I suppose from a hardware perspective it was doomed from the start.

Coming up later is the main event: Specs and Software. Stay tuned!

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For Whom the iPhone Tolls

No, don't you worry, WMExperts is still here and will still be here after iDay. But despite (because) the fact that capitalization humor is played out, the week's iPhone iNsanity is pretty tiring. So tiring, in fact, that I'm just flat-out not going to cover it here for the rest of the week. There is good coverage over at phone different, especially this post, which details some Windows Mobile vs. iPhone sniping. Then again, there's a rumor that Apple is, in fact, going to get Push Exchange email on the iPhone in the near future, which will definitely take away one of Windows Mobile's primary advantages. If that's true, I hope MS is charging them a lot for it.

The real deal is that the reviews are pouring in from the heavy-hitters in the tech-review world. Opinions are good, generally, but I have to say that I feel for future iPhone users: No cut and paste and EDGE speeds is going to make the iPhone feel a little like the Dash when it comes to being productive with the internets. Oh, and it doesn't look like there's A2DP support either. Oops.

Anyhow, expect light posting for the next few days here at WME. Call it an iPhone funk.

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iPhone Watch: Microsoft's Response?

phone different's slices points us to a blog post over at ZDNet wondering why Microsoft doesn't seem to be out there talking about how they're not worried about the iPhone:

Where the heck is Microsoft? Earlier this year, Microsoft launched the newest version of Windows Mobile (version 6) and there’s a slew of devices built on the new mobile OS (we have video of them here) with more coming (like the new HTC touchscreen handset).

Read: » With respect to iPhone, Microsoft rolls over and plays dead

Well, Steve Ballmer's been talking plenty, thank you very much; not to mention the HTC Touch. But it seems to me that keeping a low profile isn't a horrible idea for now, anyway.

The blogosphere may be a constant and unabating stream of news, but to the larger public news comes in cycles. Apple is winning this cycle, but frankly that's ok. Horning in on this cycle would not only be difficult, it would probably be counterproductive. In a fight against an unreleased product, all you can do is speculate about how your product is different/better/etc. That sort of speculation would just be begging people to revisit it later to crow about how you were wrong. Much better to wait and see.

If I were Microsoft, I'd be ready for the post-iPhone cycle - the one where you get tally off the "Cons" of the iPhone and mention how many (most? all?) of them are "Pros" for your platform.

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I said before that the iPhone might help Windows Mobile at least as much as it hurts it - by helping grow the smartphone smarket more quickly. Here's a more immediate benefit I wasn't expecting - AT&T has been upgrading their EDGE data network to work better with the iPhone, which is EDGE only.

While most Windows Mobile phones these days are coming out with 3G capabilities, some are still stuck back in the stone EDGE age (HTC S710, I'm looking at you). For those folks, the added speed is a nice little spillover benefit from the coming iPhone armageddon.

An AT&T employee who works on Operations tells us that the carrier ordered a last-minute beefing up of its EDGE throughput, latency and coverage in anticipation of the iPhone.

Read: Gizmodo (via phonedifferent)

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The iPhone is Not a Smartphone

Just finished up with the live Apple Keynote blogstravaganza, mostly over at Engadget, who caught the absolutely stupendous image over at the right. And I'm finding myself suddenly less worried about the iPhone decimating Windows Mobile than I was before. A lot less worried.

Here's the relevant quote from Engaget's coverage, straight from the mouth of his Steveness:

And so you can write amazing Web 2.0 and AJAX apps that look and behave exactly like apps on the iPhone, and these apps can integrate perfectly with iPhone services. They can make a call, check email, look up a location on Gmaps... don't worry about distribution, just put 'em on an internet server. They're easy to update, just update it on your server. They're secure, and they run securely sandboxed on the iPhone. And guess what, there's no SDK you need! You've got everything you need if you can write modern web apps..." Weeeeeaaaak

Weeeeeaaak indeed. Like I said just a few days ago, "a smartphone is a platform, and a platform needs 3rd party apps." Jobs' reply: "There's no SDK you need!" In other words: No Apps For You! Use webpage and online apps instead.

Orly? How about security - sure, a web developer can secure a webapp, but it's easier to just depend on a phone's built-in security on an app that's housed on the phone. Or how about when you don't actually have reliable and useful data signal? Too bad, so sad. Or what about the fact that I like to use my phone a little differently than you use yours - so I can install a custom ToDo app, or a neat little shortcut hack, or whatever. Sorry - with the iPhone you can use any interface you want as long as it's the default.

No support for a real developer community means that Apple is releasing an appliance, not a platform. Without a platform, the iPhone is not a smartphone, Q.E.D. Just so we're perfectly clear here: It's looking like Blackberry has better third party support than the iPhone will.

And that photo... at first glance it is (among other things) yet another joke on Steve Ballmer; but if Apple really intends to lock out all genuine "on the phone" 3rd party development... Well then we'll probably see Ballmer smile like that on his own.

Update: phone different's OMGNOAPPZ series weighs in with a slightly more optimistic (though still troubled) take.

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SDK? We got your SDK right here.

All the brouhaha over whether or not the iPhone will allow third party development is slightly amusing and mystifying to me.

Amusing because, like my pal Mike over at phone different I'm looking at the iPhone like a smartphone, and a smartphone is a platform, and a platform needs 3rd party apps, period. You should head over and read the whole article, as it makes it pretty clear that Apple should do this and makes a good guess about how they will.

You have to ensure that there's a rich ecosystem for developers, as the developers are the people that ensure that a platform (platform meaning smartphones, computers, video game consoles, etc) has applications available on it. Applications are the lifeblood of any platform, and Apple knows it.

Read: Phone Different

Mystifying because - and here's the Windows Mobile bit - how on earth does it benefit anybody to have any sort of ambiguity when it comes to your developers and how you're going to support them? Say what you want about Microsoft, but since they don't have a culture of secrecy like Apple's, it's easier for them to be open about what they're doing and why. I mean, can you imagine, in your wildest, crazies dreams, an Apple employee being allowed to write a blog post about prioritizing features like the great one I just read over at the Windows Mobile Team Blog?

Honestly, I wish that Windows Mobile, its creators, its developers, and even its users could magically make the default opinion of "Microsoft the evil empire" go away. Because it's just not true with WM. When it comes to an Operating System, I'd rather have open and honest development rather than a set of mysterious tablets brought down to me from upon high. That paradigm might work well for a religion, but it doesn't work well for fostering developers.

It may have been crude, but Ballmer was exactly right when he chanted "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!." Until Apple really and truly applies that sweaty chant to the iPhone, I'm not worried about it gobbling up the Windows Mobile market.

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iPhone May *Help* Windows Mobile

Seeking Alpha's Sramana Mitra puts into words something like what I've had in the back of my mind for quite awhile now: it's possible that the iPhone could actually help WM. I'm not on board with her "the iPhone is actually laptop competition" argument, though. But consider this:

In a relatively small lakeside town in Minnesota, Excelsior, a new bar/restaurant opened up in December called Jake O'Connors. Everybody was thinking: this place is so nice that all the other bars and restaurants are going to have to shut down, there's just not enough space to go around. What actually happened, though, is that Jake O'Connors is doing great and all the nearby restaurants are doing better than they ever before. The new kid on the block made people want to come to that block, not necessarily just to see the new kid.

The basic idea here is that the smartphone market is growing -- quickly -- and it's likely that the iPhone will accelerate that growth. But the growth could come for the entire smartphone market, not just for the iPhone portion of it. There are a lot of feature phone users out there who are just starting to think "I need a smartphone", and the release of the iPhone could set them looking. I think its fair to say that there's a portion of those people who will choose WM over the iPhone.

It's like the old saw that opening a new fast food restaurant immediately next to a competing fast food restaurant actually improves business for both. A rising tide raises all ships. A bird in the hand.. wait, that last metaphor doesn't work.

So the iPhone may not spell doomsday for everybody else, after all. I agree with Mitra on one point - the iPhone's robust OS should make consumers demand a robust OS from their smartphones, whatever kind they decide on. Right now, Symbian, RIM, and the PalmOS don't cut it and that's an opening for Windows Mobile. There's another mixed metaphor for you - people tend to rise to the level of expectation; perhaps smartphones will too?

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ATT: iPhone IS Good for Business

Microsoft's mantra up to this point has been "The iPhone will be pretty, but it will suck for business users." Apparently Cingular/AT&T disagrees:

Cingular, which was acquired by AT&T, recently decided that the iPhone will appeal to business users and the operator is now working hard to ensure that its backend enterprise billing and support systems will accommodate the device when it ships, said a source familiar with the company’s plans, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Gartner's Ken Dulaney is with Microsoft, though, saying the lack of 3rd party support and the lack of a keyboard will make Enterprise customers shy away from the upcoming smartphone. There's also this tidbit:

He suspects that enterprises will likely decide against the iPhone for similar reasons that many decide not to standardize on Mac computers. Even if the iPhone is attractive, like the Mac, they’ll choose BlackBerry or Windows Mobile devices because those have more software application options, he said.

Which spins me right 'round - how's a Mac + Windows Mobile user to feel these days?

Read: Macworld: News: AT&T to target iPhone to enterprise

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MS Turning Up the iPhone Smacktalk

c|net sat in on a press conference with Chris Sorensen, who is in charge of MS's Asian smartphone strategy. His knocks on the iPhone are the ones you'd expect - no physical keyboard means it might not work for messaging (jury's still out on that), no Office means no business users, no 3G means pretty much the same.

Then again, everybody's pointing out that MS scoffed at the original iPod.

Basically I think that MS's intuition is right, the iPhone won't grab hold of business users, but it's going to be a huge shift in the consumer market. Whether or not Microsoft can maintain the progress they've made in that space remains to be seen. Let's see: by the end of the summer we'll have the iPhone, a bevy of WM6 devices, and the announcement of Palm's super-secret 3rd-type of device. Damn if it isn't a great time to be writing about smartphones.

"However, it's a closed device that you cannot install applications on, and there's no support for Office documents. If you're an enterprise and want to roll out a line of business applications, it's just not an option. Even using it as a heavy messaging device will be a challenge," the executive added.

Read: Microsoft: iPhone lacks business savvy | CNET News.com

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iLaunch iPhone iAlike iUI

iLaunch is a $9.95 application that's reminiscent of the earlier iPhone app/skin, but with a couple of key differences. The main one: this app/skin (presumably) contains 95% less sue-able intellectual property. Different graphics and icons, but basically similar design cues and methods for getting around.

Me, I'd rather use Spb Mobile Shell - which is a great "thumbable" interface for WM that grabs into a lot more functionality.

It looks like the iPhone, but it’s not ! However, it can do a few things that the iPhone can’t do.

Read: DVD to iPhone®

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MS's Craig Mundie Throws Down

Bill Gates is retiring soon and it sort of makes sense that he'll need two people to replace him. One of those people is Craig Mundie, who recently talked about all things Microsoft with CNN. His discussion of Windows Mobile (compared to the iPhone) is short but interesting: MS is about creating an ecosystem while Apple is about vertical integration. Sure, it's a standard MS line, but it's also accurate. Mundie also notes that he expects some high end "fashion and function phones" coming out this year to compete nicely with the iPhone. Time will tell.

Well, Microsoft has been in the phone business for years. What do you think that thing is (pointing to a cell phone on the table)? That does more than an iPhone does today and it's our 7th generation.

Read: Microsoft's Mundie: Consumers driving tech trends - CNN.com

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WM iPhone - more than a skin

tzywen (whose site is down at the moment) has put up a great little video on YouTube - an E-Ten m600 running some custom software that's awfully close to an iPhone experience, complete with slider-unlock and flick-scrolling. It's not a complete overhaul, but it's still very impressive. Nice job tzywen for programming all this!

Video embedded after the jump.

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WME Prize-A-Day, Day 1

Let's kick off our prizes with a classic, hey? The Plantronics Bluetooth Headset, a great in-ear Bluetooth headset with a nice little portable charger.

How to win:

It's Monday, so we'll keep it simple: Go on and register in our forums (those of your registered at TreoCentral's forums are already registered!) and then head over to this thread: Prize-A-Day, Day 1: iPhone SmackTalk Edition.

Anybody who posts a reply in that thread between 9amEST on Feb 13th and 9amEST on the 14th will qualify for the drawing (and also will receive one entry for the Grand Prize. But we want you to do more than qualify, we want you to talk some smack in honor of the Windows Mobile 6 announcement. The preferred format is:

Your iPhone is so [blank], it [blank]!

Don't be fair. Don't be nice. (Don't be vulgar, though, either). Heck, don't even be truthful. We're talkin' smack here, kids!

(Full Contest information here - must use valid email address to register.)

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LG Prada, Similar to iPhone, except it's better

Not long after the iPhone splash, LG showed off the Prada - apparently it's going to be running Windows Mobile 6. Which means it won't have the incredibly fancy multi-touch-screen features of the iPhone, but it will be able to, oh, edit office docs. Also likely that this may be announced at the 3GSM conference next week, so there's a healthy chance it'll beat the iPhone to market.

Bring it on, Apple!

Today I was sent this article in Business Week that totally made a bulb go off in my head! It looks as if Business Week spilled the beans on the LG iPhone look alike phone that apparently will run Microsoft's new Windows Mobile 6.0 OS.. This phone was also the LG Prada touchscreen device we saw a few weeks ago along with the LG KE850. According to the Business Week article they state

Read: LG's iPhone clone to run Windows Mobile 6 @ Mobility Today

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