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When old becomes new. Samsung and HTC’s Windows Phone 8 rumoured launch hardware.

The last few weeks have been exciting for Windows Phone with all the leaks concerning Windows Phone 8 hardware. The launch is almost upon us and of course, we’re all excited about the phones we’re likely to see. The next gen specs, even on the rumoured low end devices, are a big jump for Windows Phone. But will high-end devices from Samsung and HTC excite? Let’s look at the situation.

As we only have rumours so far, you’ll have to take the following with pinches of salt as we speculate somewhat. To start with, let’s cast our eye over the proposed Samsung devices. No doubt on paper these devices look the part but delving deeper we can clearly see that their high-end device is likely along the lines of a Galaxy S3. Will a recent flagship Android device serve as the high-end launch device for Windows Phone 8?

Samsung’s Marco & Odyssey

 

Samsung’s Marco & Odyssey

The specifications for the Galaxy S3 look perfect for a Windows Phone 8 device, no doubt about it.

  • 4.8", 1280x720 Super AMOLED display
  • Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 1.5 GHz dual core CPU
  • Weight: 4.73 ounces
  • 16GB and 32GB  (Internal storage) versions
  • Expandable memory with MicroSD
  • 2100mAh battery
  • Bluetooth 4.0
  • MicroUSB
  • NFC enabled
  • 42Mbps HSPA +
  • 8MP Camera w/ LED Flash (4x zoom)
  • 1.9MP Front-facing camera

The screen will simply pop with those new live tiles. The bigger question is, will Samsung be content to only use "hand me" down devices for Windows Phone. They are clearly doing very well with Android and it forms the spearhead of their mobile push. Watching the Olympics coverage, we saw Samsung pushing their Android wares heavily with no sign of Windows Phone.

For Samsung, Windows Phone could be just another tick box, allowing them to claim diversification in their product line. As we noted yesterday, with Bada out of the picture and Tizen not coming until 2013, Android and Windows Phone is all Samsung has to offer.

Reading the comments on our post about possible Windows Phone 8 devices based on the S3 gear, it’s clear most are underwhelmed both by its looks and specs. Should Samsung launch this device as Windows Phone 8, it simply may not be cutting edge enough.

 

HTC Rio Accord and Zenith

 

HTC Rio, Accord and Zenith

HTC are also expected to announce new devices within the coming weeks, just in time for the expected fall release. Their  high-end Windows Phone 8 devices seem likely to be a re-hash of their critically acclaimed One X devices

These devices, whilst loved by critics appear to have bombed with consumers, so much so that HTC is now in serious trouble. Again, we can ask the question, will HTC be content to just simply use their previously launched Android devices for Windows Phone 8?

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Unfortunately, HTC looks to be going this route as well. No ifs, ands or buts, the One X-variant will be a fine Windows Phone 8 device, but the fact remains, its not new and it might not excite. Considering how the One X has done in retail, is it even wise to think of re-launching anything based on this hardware again? 

The HTC Zenith, the rumored flagship of the lot, looks a lot like the One X in terms of reported specifications:

"The Zenith will be the upper end model featuring a 4.7" 720p Super LCD 2 screen, 8mp camera with 1080p video capture, 42Mbps HSPA+, and a quad-core Qualcomm processor."

With HTC there is a chance that their experience with Microsoft could see them pull out all the stops for a Windows Phone 8 launch device.  The Zenith for instance could be a true premium phone, even a device that is uniquely high end compared to their Android offerings. That is what people will be looking for. At the very least we would expect that Samsung and HTC step up the specs and designs of their previous devices on Android to launch WP8. If they don’t then that speaks volumes to how they view Windows Phone.

 

Special relationships

It’s good to have close partnerships when you’re working toward a common goal. HTC in the past had a good thing going with Google and their Nexus line, these days Samsung fills that niche (tomorrow, Motorola?)

If we look at the Windows Phone world, there is a strong bond between Nokia and Microsoft. Without Nokia influencing Windows Phone, who knows where the ecosystem would be now. Samsung didn’t manage to fully launch Mango era devices globally and HTC didn’t seem to have the reach into retail. Nokia and Microsoft collaborated to change that, as well as some cross-pollination of technologies and a huge marketing push. We can now see the results of that effort with Nokia holding strong at 59% of all WP7 devices sold. They are likely going to erode the others market share in short order in the coming months.

We’re certainly glad that Samsung and HTC are still behind Windows Phone. If the specs and rumours are to be believed and both these companies are re-using Android devices for Windows Phone, I will be disappointed. Whilst I like the paper specs of these devices, there is no getting away from the fact that they are yesterday’s news. When Samsung and HTC launch their next gen Android flagships, those WP8 specs will look dreadfully dated, a step behind, the uncomfortable mid-range.

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Do Samsung and HTC think that Android's “old news” is Windows Phone's “new news” with WP8? How will either of these companies expect to garner any interest from the existing user base at launch time with these units? Nokia devices and services will be the benchmark against which all others are judged. If either Samsung or HTC are serious about competing with Windows Phone 8, then this is not the way to send that message.

When we finally get to see the new hardware for Windows Phone 8, we want to see the "cutting edge", not yesterday’s news. Bring us Pureview, bring us more than 8MP cameras, make these devices higher end than anything from Google and Apple. We don’t want hand-me-down hardware from months ago when we sign two year mobile agreements.  Windows Phone 8 deserves next gen hardware to ensure it goes head to head with the competition.

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I guess we should be happy with the recycled android phones.

ejb222 says:

yeah...if you're not a fan of Nokia. I'm holding out for a Nokia either way.

AaronDotNet says:

It does bother me that we only seem to get recycled Android phones.  But what bothers me the most is the current availability issue (at least in the US).  Unless you are on AT&T, your choices are severly limited.  And I'm not just refering to Sprint and Verizon here.  My contract is coming to an end and I am looking toward moving to one of the vastly cheaper MVNO's.  Right now, Straight Talk is my only real option since they can take any phone that works with the AT&T spectrum.  But who I really want to move to is Ting or Republic Wireless, but like a lot of MVNO's, they can only offer Android handsets.  So even if its recycled Android stuff, my biggest wish for WP right now is that it become as available as Android handsets across these different networks.

Actually, Ting just announced BYOD support is coming soon (Sprint devices only, no Boost Mobile, VM, iPhone or BB) so the HTC Arrive would work. However, Sprint doesn't seem interested in WP8. Ting did mention in an older blog post that they are working on getting a WP device but it wouldn't be until 2013.

No mate...we should not be happy with recycled phones...i want some new hardware...something different...but that said...i love the proposed specifications for the odyssey...that will most likely be my new wp8

NO WE SHOULD NOT...OKAY! I'm not participating in HTC elevate to beg for spoils... Man up Sammy and HTC!

ejb222 says:

I think the One X would be the better WP8. I've used my Pop's white one and it is really nice. Curved glass and it's nice and black. Great contrast to the white seamless body. Probably the slickest plastic phone out there. Would look good with Apollo!

ahmadcrofton says:

I hate android but I agree with you on this +1

man1up says:

I have the HTC Arrive. HTC did not make me loyal to their product line for a 2 year contract. I need the commitment of the OEM for the product life cycle. Nokia is answering that call loudly.

EAA575 says:

Just goes to show how much Samsung and HTC care about Windows Phone.

Jeff Kibuule says:

What's funny is that it will point out how badly Android runs compared to Windows Phone when you've got the same hardware with different hardware.

sholokov says:

You mean same hardware, different software, right?

topleya says:

+1 & Like & Retweet

bjax says:

At this point, you can't really fault them for recycling. For one, WP isn't a proven money maker, so spending money on extra resources to innovate for a platform that is barely there doesn't make much business sense. And two, as pointed out, HTC is in trouble, I doubt they want to take any further chances. And far as Samsung is concerned, how different could their hardware be? All of the galaxies have a similar design, which is what is giving them trouble with apple. They're more likely to innovate next go round with Android before they try it with WP. While I'm pretty sure my next WP will be Nokia, i wouldn't be opposed to getting a recycled Samsung or HTC phone cause it's all about the OS for me first. And secondly (which is where Samsung and HTC lose me) is support. Nokia has had more app support for WP in a year than Samsung and HTC has combined in two years. That's where I think those two companies are really losing the battle at.

Yeah, I disagree with Robert on this one and think he's being too harsh. HTC is already losing money. They can save costs by duplicating production and pass that on to consumers. Same with Samsung.

WP8 doesn't drive enough revenue to warrant full scale R&D redesigns. "Show me the money" is what both companies would say to this article. Nokia? They really have no choice but even there, they took the N9 and re-made it for WP. 

One X with WP8? Okay, I'm in. What about a S3? Sure, why not. They're good phones.

I'm not even sure what "cutting edge" means anymore if those phones don't meet that criteria. What is suppose to be cutting edge in October that I'm missing?

rx74ray says:

+1, I can't be disappointed at a quad core phone.

HTC screwed up their android... If they want to make they will need to invest in r & d for WP... They're where Nokia was a year ago.
So... HTC should rekindle their affair with windows:)

skywalker#WP says:

Ur argument makes sense but they should also develop more exclusive apps! That's probably the no. 1 reason my next phone will be a Nokia.

snowmutt says:

I am glad you said it Mr. Rubino.  I was reading this article thinking the same two arguments myself.
Next Gen specs?  The GS3 and ONE X are going to be outdated in two months?  REALLY? 
HTC, which is bleeding it's marketshare, and Samsung need to redesign devices for WP when it has less than 5% worldwide market share?
Yes, I am cheering for both of these companies to do something original for my favorite OS.  Samsung especially has my loyalty.  My Focus S is a joy to use and I cannot say enough good things about it.  But it makes perfect business sense at this stage of the game to use existing top end Android templetes to come out with WP devices.  Those specs will sing with WP8 onboard.   We know that Nokia is going to lead the way and I hope they will sell 50 million handsets next year.  But until WP sells something close to 10-12 million devices for HTC and Sammy we are not going to see them put that much R&D into it. 

dnasmyth says:

Guess Android isn't much of a proven money maker for HTC.

Well, it was. Problem is multifaceted for HTC:

  • Android is not free, they end up paying MS for the license
  • They're being hounded by Apple in court
  • Beats Audio was a bad investment
  • Samsung came out swinging hard

and Nokia will be swinging harder on the WP camp. We don't need the same old HTC Sensation/Desire look and designs from 2010.

Dude cut Samsung and HTC some slack! They introduced their newest flagships few months ago, and WP8 is a new deal and in reality Microsoft's serious start. They are now using their newset flagship hardware with WP and no one really has any clear idea how the market is going to react to it. So to me it is a logical approach to push WP with the best hardware these companies currently have;
Besides that point, what do you expect from them? HTC is coming out with that behemoth quad-core, with one of the biggest screens on a phone (the biggest perhaps?) Are you looking for an 8 core really?

However you look at it, with WP8 being brand new and these companies being careful *enough* - but coming out with the most decent hardware, they are making a wise choice, and if they see the potential they will push WP further to the point of releasing WP and Android phones with the same hardware at (almost) the same time.

I would do the same if I were the CEO of these companies.
P.S. Galaxy S II and S III are 1 year 3 months apart. If the equivalent of the S III is released for WP in a month or so, you can expect to have a truely cutting edge WP8 device for almost a year, so WP won't be left behind. And if Samsung can sell the WP device well, I suspect they will have 2 equal flagships next year.

Micfur says:

I really don't want Nokia to be the only game in town when it comes to Windows Phone. I love Nokia and don't buy any other handsets but theirs, but for the good of Windows Phone I really want them(HTC and Sammy) to push out new hardware and services. But I would also love to see Nokia and Microsoft have an ecosystem like apple does but better. Nokia could deliver awesome phones at different price points but with the same basic look and feel, just lower specs, and Microsoft could handle the OS and app side, that sounds good to me also.

Rob41664 says:

I second that. If MS gets the 3 screens right across the Desktop,Tablet and WP then I think maybe they could really run with just MS and Nokia if the others dont start showing more innovation. They have to get started in the enterprises and quit losing their bread and butter to iOs and Android for the corporate users. They have to get the marketing right and start hitting it fast.Just catching up to the competition isnt going to do any good they have to surpass them and do it fast.

gorebashd says:

3rd that. U hit it on Nail micfur.

ousooner314 says:

I don't think it's a bad thing. Can you imagine a WP8 version of the Galaxy S3? That would easily be one of the higher end phones at launch, and could also give Nokia a run for their money.

topleya says:

I have an Omnia7 (personal) and a Galaxy S3 (work)

I've thought so many times what the child of them both would be like......well hopefully I won't have to wait for very long

theefman says:

"Windows Phone 8 deserves next gen hardware to ensure it goes head to head with the competition." You're only going to get that with Nokia WP handsets.

paulomalley says:

Reasoning for disagreeing?

Bouncin Back says:

Tired of the its not Nokia it sucks comments.

wpguy says:

When WP7 originally launched, wasn't the HD7--a high-end phone at the time--just a recycled HD2?
I don't really care if a Windows Phone model is a recycled version of an Android model. But I do want reasonably high-end options on T-Mobile. So far, it sounds like we won't be getting that from Nokia, much as I like knowing they are providing, by far, the best WP support of any manufacturer.

Montpbm says:

I totally agree..

albertico says:

I wonder how Microsoft feels for HTC opting out of using the Windows icon for the Start screen button.  Isn't that the Android home button?

ahabenezer says:

All the phones that will come out this fall are making me wish I had ditched webOS sooner, getting a windows phone sooner, making me upgrade eligible for an upgrade sooner. I won't be able to upgrade until fall 2013. By then, maybe Sprint will have a Nokia device.  

ousooner314 says:

Look at it this way, by then there'll be even better phones out for you to choose from, and the early WP8 adopters will be jealous of you because we'll have one more year left before our upgrades!! ;)

gorebashd says:

I'm in same boat. Mebbe a quad core Pureview?? Lol so I'm happy to wait. Lumia 900 is a good phone

Yesssss... Pureview and 8 cores:) nuclear-powered!

sHAYM4N says:

Just please! Give all WP8 phones that grey accent option! :-)

nizzon says:

Exactly, If we dont get loads of more themes im gonna cry. Im so tired of the blue,purple and orange, thats about the only ones usable.

Wow this is amazing not only does it let Nokia better there look but it gives the android fans a hard argument with specs LMAO :P

nizzon says:

Its just weird that the One X dont sell, we have a few at work and I they are really awesome but maybe its too big for most people?

1jaxstate1 says:

So you guys cry over reused designs, but your ok with the Lumia 800 an Lumia 900? You people are strange. 

gorebashd says:

Nothing wrong with Lumia 900

1jaxstate1 says:

Didn't say anything was wrong with it. I have a white one. I'm letting you know it's a reused design. 

nizzon says:

Thats because the Lumia design has a better association to Windows Phone than the Samsung and HTC phones have. Its not like the N9 is as big as the Android-phones.

1jaxstate1 says:

The fact remains the same. 

Residing says:

Fact remains the same, but the point is, is that the Lumia 800/900 is an aesthetically attractive phone, associated only with Windows Phone.  Not to mention that the drool worthiness of the Lumia design has been duly noted by fans of blogs, publications, and fans/users of other OSes as well.
 
Take a HTC/Samsung phone, place it on a table face down...is it a WP or Android?  Can't tell cause the WP HTC/Samsung devices, aesthetically, look almost exacly like an Android.  Some don't care about this, but there are some of us in which a unique and attractively designed deviced, associated with only WP, matters.  
 
And given that the N9 was not widely available, people will still mistake a N9 for a Lumia 800; and you can visit enough Nokia sites to hear stories of people asking N9 owners 'Is that a Lumia 800?".
 
 
 
 

Bouncin Back says:

All windows phones have"Windows Phone " on the back of them.

1jaxstate1 says:

Sorry,but you're wrong again. Its also know very well from its initial release, the N9. The last megoo phone Nokia produced.

Yeah.... And they sold 3 or 4 of them... So it's like a new design and it differs from N9. Basically I just disagree with u

I believe the question is why Android-based phone designs are being used for Windows Phone, instead of it being the other way around. I think reusing designs is a beneficial idea, and the reason for Android being first is because it currently makes money.
I think when WP gets big enough, there will be harware designed with both OSs in mind, or unique hardware for both platforms.

1jaxstate1 says:

Its beneficial to OEM due to manufacturing reasons. I completely understand why they do it.

theefman says:

Difference is HTC has been using the same design for the last 3 years on multiple phones. Its boring and lacks any real appeal, all they do is make the screen bigger. Not a fan of any recycling recycling but Nokia is using a one year old design that was actually different when it was first released and is recognized as innovative. Huge difference.

Bouncin Back says:

No its not! Stop being a blind Nokia fanboy

gwydionjhr says:

So, MS saves the OEMs tons of money by forcing them to not waste their time re-skinning the crap out of the OS (and ruining it in the process) like they do with Android.  (not to mention all the cash they save by not being sued to within an inch of their life by Apple)  Instead of taking those resources and re-focusing it on making unique and better hardware, they're going to serve us their sloppy seconds.
And when MS finally steps in and starts building their own hardware (a la the Surface) they're going to have nobody to blame, but themselves.

theefman says:

Good point. And they will moan like Acer is doing about the Surface. Do it right or not at all.

Durishin says:

The thought of going from 16MP (Titan II) to 8MP just kills me...probably more than the thought of going to a Nokia - who make phones for the masses but nothing spectacular. I like the Lumia and all but, all the buttons on one side and 8MP were the deal killers - then there is NOK's historic presence of features and lack of quality execution against them - Carl Zeiss lenses over lousy sensors and software for example.

Well even windows phone 8 will look cool in galaxy s3

I think you mean "well even Galaxy S III looks cool with Windows Phone 8 on it."

I haven't read all the comments on this post, but clearly most people think that Samsung and HTC are about to "blow it" with their designs. However, let me remind everyone that the Samsung Galaxy S3 design IS, in fact, incredibly popular with consumers... my boss just upgraded 8 of our executives to that model, and they all love it (except for one person who complains that it drops the bluetooth connection in his car but otherwise loves it). It's not a bad design at all, and I actually argue it's a smart move... it keeps their overall hardware costs WAY down and simplifies the development process. Slap on the Windows Phone OS instead of Android, and you have yet another winner.

I will also point out that HTC One wasn't popular with consumers, but they're struggling so reusing ideas is a smart move for them. Unfortunately, they DO need to choose designs that ARE popular with consumers. Oh, and follow up with decent software support.

poddie says:

I don't quite understand what the writer is looking for in a Win8 phone... As long as it supports all the features and is fast and sleek what's missing? The article seems to imply that unless there is a groundbreaking new look to the phone it won't be worth getting. My wife's S3 seems like very nice hardware. I just hate the is.

1jaxstate1 says:

Right. People do these dumb ass mock up of some "groundbreaking" phone, when they don't think about compents, heat, or battery life.  I also like the look of the S3. Don't know what the write expects. 

The writer probably misses a commitment to the os. I do too. S3 looks cheap and ugly. My Stormtrooper is the pinnacle:)

I have seen about 20 people at my work switch from HTC EVO to the Samsung Galaxy phones. They keep bragging to me about how amazing they are... These were the same people who thought I was way to much into technology years ago. Now they walk around talking on a mini tablet phone! How ironic is that?

Bruno H says:

People really don't care about specs they only go after what's the hot thing right now. I bet that if Samsung called their wp8 phone galaxy 8 it would outsell all other phones and the users would sadly have no idea that they have bought a windows phone...

mjfadaway says:

The Galaxy 8 is actually a great name!

Bouncin Back says:

Why do we love bashing OEMs that aren't Nokia? Its sick.

Open your eyes then:)

Mr.Moonlight says:

Man, talk about drinking the Nokia Kool-Aid. Let's not forget that the Lumia was just a "recycled" N9. And where the hell was Nokia when WP7 initially launched? They weren't even a launch partner. Weren't even effin' interested. "No thanks, we'll pass". Then when they realize Symbian is a dead end, Elop decides to get in bed with MS and bet the entire ranch on WP (and if he hadn't had previous ties to MS, even *that* probably wouldn't have happened). So I'd sure as hell expect them to bust a** and produce good hardware and give good support or else they're toast. And although they've been trying hard, they ain't quite there yet.
How quickly we all forget that HTC launched no less than five first gen WP7 devices. They took the risk and brought out more models than anyone, including Samsung and LG. Then came two more gen 1.5 devices. And then followed those with the Titan II...which is still a better device than the Lumia 900 IMO. Nokia has the edge in software, but HTC still has the better hardware. The Titan II camera rocks.
Look, who really cares if an external design is reused? It's what's inside that counts. None of the designs are ugly...Nokias, HTCs and Sammys are all pretty slick looking.
Sheesh, we ought to be grateful that anyone else besides Nokia is willing to invest resources in Windows Phone 8. The HW specs look good...who gives a rat's a** what the outer shell looks like. It ain't a beauty contest.

Bouncin Back says:

Couldn't agree more.

Well... My Titan sucked ass on poor reception and I had to change to a Nokia for calling, which doesn't have that problem. Same story with two colleagues... Great camera though

lippidp says:

I don't mind reusing hardware. It's the software that matters most to me. I am very much looking forward to WP8!

rodneyej says:

This is the best, most important, article yet! This point is "the" point!

lubbalots says:

I have this innate feeling the zenith is going to ATT and the question I ask is why? It will be competing with the Nokia phi and iPhone 5. HTC will just keep going downhill. Release the device where there is minimal competition.

Hampus says:

Why can't you write in Metric? I have no idea how much 4.73 ounces is:/!

Mr.Moonlight says:

Because *he* has no idea how much 134 grams is. ;-)

Use a unit converter app... Have you learned nothing:)?

Ticomfreak says:

I will only buy either HTC or Nokia, I have a bias towards HTC though...(actually the only reason im considering them)

karelj says:

I'm passing on Samsung because I'm not sure if the burn in issues on their amoled screens have been rectified. So it's between HTC and Nokia. Nokia's support of the platform as far as apps and updates just might give them the edge in my decision.
Not a huge fan of Samsung's plastic builds either.

rollo132 says:

The S3 and One X hardware looks dang good, if you ask me.  These are high end android devices, and recycling is a good move.  Get the os in people's hands wrapped in something they are familiar with.  Also, repurposing old hardward has probably allowed more flex time for HTC and Samsung, allowing them to have wp8 devices ready by/near launch day.
I'm not happy about it, but I certainly wouldn't turn down an HTC One X running wp8. 

Trak76 says:

I would love a one x running wp8 that just makes common sense repurposing a android design from a struggling company . If I was in the market for a android handset at this moment I would have a one x in my hand right now. Unfortunately for android I found the wonders of wp7 and my HTC titan. I'm due for an upgrade right now but I'm very happy with HTC and WP I'm just holding out for wp8 hopefully all the little things I don't like about wp7 will be addressed. With that being said I still pick WP over android hands down even though android works just a little bit better.

ebradley says:

It will either be a Sammy or Nokia for me. I have no major complaints with my TitanII, but, the Focus I had before it, was a superior product in the way I use it. And it never froze on the lock screen with the qwerty showing. Yes, on the lock screen.
The only thing that beat the Focus is the LTE.

Tmo & HTC for me. My HD7 has been updated shortly after updates where available. I would give Nokia my $ but I want a high end phone. My Hd7 has taken a beating and just keeps going also battery life is still very good. HTC has proven to be a good product.

textomatic says:

My Lumia 900 is amazing and it's even more amazing with the new update that fixed the camera.  So I'm sticking with Nokia.  They make great looking hardware and also offer great software like Nokia Drive.

norcal1079 says:

Form factor matters.  I love my Lumia 900 and will stay with Nokia,  but my friend also has one and is a power user.  The battery can't make it and is not removable.  The S3 is a cheaper build quality but you can swap out the battery and keep going.

ebradley says:

For Samsung, WP8 would make the smartest choice. Get them out of Apple's crosshairs.

chucky78 says:

Like I said before it Nokia all the way for me. Been a long time HTC customer and that relationship is over because of their lack of support. Don't come trying now because they made Android their go to OS and treated WP like an unwanted stepchild so fuck em. Same goes for Samsung.

That was harsh words on HTC s part. I disagree there, but Sammy sucks ass

tbonenga says:

Article sounds a bit bias. I'd love a clone galaxy s3. It's not old. It just came out and W8 would kill Android in a side by side comparison with equal hardware.

"Article sounds a bit bias."

It's is an editorial, the definition of biased, lol

i hope they use the new logo

Eg0nz63 says:

All very good points, thanks for the comments. :D

Personally I'm fine for initial launch for HTC and Samsung to mostly re-use recently launched Android devices for Windows Phone 8...but only with the following qualifications:

1) That we are only talking 3-4 month hardware lag

2) Let Android be the Beta testers for cutting edge, if they are prepared to tweak any mistakes found in Android designs

3) If it's existing internal hardware that's already been mass produced for Android I expect it to be priced keenly at WP8 version launch

4) If HTC & Samsung keep launching older re-used hardware then accept they may only be mid to low end WP8 manufacturers with Nokia having it exclusive for high end!

I actually hope the odyssey has the exact same form factor as the galaxy. How many companies have already made covers and pouches and etc. that already fit the galaxy, not all those would be usable on a windows device but many would. I would like to see a slight bump in hardware though, perhaps higher camera res, or amoled +, so that I feel content in a two year contract, that the phone at least had the best when I bought it.

I didnt have a problem with the nokia 800/900 being a N9. But i said this before here that i was a little dissapointed that this new nokia leaked pics looked like a modified Lumina phone. I guess I was hoping for too much out of Nokia that they would have some new crazy design for Windows 8. But I guess in a few weeks we will see. But its better than what apples doing. adding a few inches to the height of the 4/s, which Ive crossed off my list of phones to potentially get.

mrdeezus says:

They have been doing this with android for years. Sammy S3...tmobile and verizon variant. The evo 4g also had a verizon and tmob variant. Sure these were all android phones but still.

Trak76 says:

Look how many different carrier specific versions there were for the first galaxy phones every carrier had a different version

ruddevil says:

Sorry Sammy, I'm going for Nokia WP8. Why would I spend that lot for a device which is famous for its Android OS while I can get a standout Nokia with all its goodies at the same price? No brainer.

BrianDev says:

It's okay for them to get WP8 out on sloppy seconds in this first round.
Since in fairness WP8 was not ready when these other manufacturers came out with their current latest gen devices.
That said I'd hope they would throw out something a little beefed up.
The true test will be when they move to their next top gen stuff.
Will WP8 launch on their newest/best device either at the same time (or even ahead) of the android equivalent?
I'm guessing I'll end up with Nokia. They just seem more committed to the WP8 consumer.

ejlee072006 says:

Im waiting for the surface.... Although happy with all the wp8 devices in not going to give up my lumia 900 .. NOT YET!!!

pookiewood says:

The Galaxy S3 is hot. The Titan II is hot. Bring on the recycled phones. Where else should phone designs go besides folding or bendable screens or the full screen phone or the that phone in the MS concept video that can be split into 2? We're pretty much in a candy bar phone generation right now.

OMG55 says:

Alienware & Surface WP8 designed with themed tiles/wallpapers please

Solidstate89 says:

The One X hardware is easily one of the best looking phones I've ever seen. It's actually the only Android phone I've had hardware envy for. It's just such a complete aesthetic design - and it's the only one that I think can really compete with Nokia's L900/800 design chops.
 
I would be totally satisfied with a One X/One S Windows Phone. If it weren't for the fact the One XL runs Android, I would have purchased it already.

hoonigandad says:

Any of that stuff is better than my original focus, im really looking forward to windows 8 ! Hopefully Nokia will bring something great too, I would love a tegra 3 based phone!

Tianfu says:

I mean, I don't want recycled hardware for wp8 but the specs are definitely awesome. Who wouldn't want a gs3 or a One X with wp8? But i also want something different and new. I guess i'm just asking for 2 models, one that sorta is just a hand me down but also something else that is just totally different.

jaethos says:

The hardware specs can't really be anything other than the same, as that is the current top of the line stuff. I highly doubt they'll actually look the same though. Sure, the Sammy will look like a Sammy and the HTC will look like an HTC, but that's because they each have their own design language and style.

MadDogFL62 says:

Old, new, refurbished, recycled, Droid gone WP, WP gone Droid, HTC, Sammy, Nokia, Sony, Dell, whatever.  Unless you can align the new hardware coming out with your preferred carrier, the phones and their technology mean squat.  The provider makes or breaks the phone with their networking.  The provider makes or breaks the phone with their contract, rules, and plans.  The provider can also dictate what phone you will be using in some cases… What if you can’t shop carries because of a corporate contract, family plan upgrade, family plan renewal, etc.?
 
Notice that the new HTC and Sammy devices are already “committed” to AT&T and T-Mobile?  Once again, Verizon has been left at the dock and is now trying to take a dingy offshore to catch the WP cruise ship.  Something is better than nothing, but VZW has put all of their customers in a very small box by not making a commitment to WP8 earlier.  (Funny how the WP8 foot-dragging stops when VZW starts to lose $$$ on the iPhone and the Blackberry.)
 
Don’t get too excited when you look at the phone buffet.  They all will be running the same software and will all do the same “tricks”.  Its buyer beware when it comes to the carrier, almost as much as the handset.  Do your homework and make a wise and educated decision.  A top of the line phone means nothing if you can’t use it indoors or when you travel.

anodynamic says:

I've seen a surprising number of people on the street using top of the line phones to tell other people things like "Yes, yes, I know the address, but can you please tell me how to get there?".
So, going by the number of people who are unable to use basic smartphone features like maps, we can assume that the number of buyers that make their buying decisions based on what SoC a phone has - or even know what an SoC is - is a relatively small portion of the market.

Glim12808 says:

Of the 3, Nokia is the best bet to come out with up-to-date WP8 specs because of their commitment to WP platform. OTOH, it would be a pleasant but shocking surprise if Samsung would do the same. I'm sure they would rather protect their Android gains than imperil it with competing WP8 devices. With HTC, there's a 50-50 chance it could go either way.

anodynamic says:

Samsung and HTC actually have a benefit since they make Androids as well, and acquire the same chipsets in much larger volumes. As for putting the components together, there's probably not more than a ROM or two that separates a WP mainboard from the one in its Android counterpart. So, I'd be surprised if anything other than marketing and exterior design holds Nokia's competition back.

OMG55 says:

While I get what you're saying, those same manufactures are competing in the Android market. The only difference is Sammy is winning in the Android arena; while I'm a L900 user(happy), what makes you think Sammy couldn't compete or win the WP wars? After all, they were all manufacturering Android in the beginning, and Samsung prevailed.

anodynamic says:

Samsung makes chipsets, storage and displays as well, so I believe they have the greatest manufacturing advantage on the market. So, everyone else has to struggle to compete with their margins.

When the Lumia 800 was introduced here the contract free price was 50% higher than the Omnia W, and except for the storage and slightly higher camera resolution they have comparable specs, and Nokia had to use design and marketing to justify the higher price tag.

jdep1 says:

Great article! That's one thing I hate about windows we are last in line to get anything from apps to hardware. I hope to see this issues fixed on wp8.

abhishek8605 says:

I don't know if someone mentioned this already in the comments but the Lumia design is a rehash fo the N9...and no one seems to care about that.

Dethzilla says:

The One X and the GSIII are sexy devices.  They're the only Android phones I've ever given a second glance.  Nokia Phones are hot... But they're two launch devices just don't look fresh to me... in fact.. Fujitsu's Windows 8 device looks Fresher than Nokia's.
 
http://www.wp7connect.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Fujitsu-toshibaIS12...

abhishek8605 says:

The Lumia was recycled from the N9, so what's your point?

Gunbust3r says:

Here is an idea: make a high end phone and then have it avaiable on ALL the major carriers.
 
I dont know how they expect to sell a phone when it comes out on only one network. It's looking like the WP8 Nokia halo phone is in ATT lockdown just like the Lumia 900 is.
 
Here is the reaction people will have: hey thats a cool phone what is it? A Nokia WP8? oh I'm not on ATT so F that.

jbrandonf says:

Not only that but the One X didn't sell because of something wrong with its hardware, it didn't sell because it was only available on one carrier and came only with a measly 10 gb of storage.

Design-wise everyone says how beautiful it is. Personally I would love to run WP on mine. Just need an upgrade available.

infinidim says:

I'm not waiting for Samsung or HTC, I'm going to go with Nokia. I have had Samsung and HTC Android phones and both of them have had issues which needed repair. Both muy wife and daughter have had Samsung phones that both also needed repair so it's Nokia for us next.

OMG55 says:

He was speaking about the design, not the OS

I say that HTC should push a little more heavily into WP territory, as they've been floundering so badly with Android lately. Might be a bit of a gamble, but if they follow in Nokia's wake with a bit of their own push, they might just do pretty well. At the very least, I'll bet this strategy has come up in company meetings.

sparepartz says:

Reviews of hardware always focus on the hardware specifications, typically because there's so little else to differentiate the multitude of Androids.
WP has been losing out on 4 counts recently
1) Single core limitation
2) Screen resolution
3) Camera quality
4) Number of applications.
Of these, the single core and screen resolution were constraints in WP. Samsung and HTC COULD NOT create WP phones at the same hardware spec as Android. While this was the case WP was always going to struggle. WP phones could not use flagship CPUs and screens, so they were also unlikely to fit flagship cameras and processing.
Regardless of the fact that WP7 hasn't required high spec CPUs to perform, reviews barely get that far.
This will no longer be the case with WP8. Microsoft have removed the barriers that were preventing flagship hardware from running WP.
As AgentTheGreat pointed out earlier, the lag is likely only around 3 months v the Galaxy S3. Unfortunately there is unlikely to be a massive advertising splurge for almost identical hardware, but you cannot really blame Samsung for that.
I think what's most exciting is that Apollo finally allows hardware with WP to have a chance of coming out on top in reviews which was simply not going to happen before and that the next round of hardware should hopefully have simultaneous launches for Android/WP if the hardware is to be the same.
The next great challenge for Microsoft is the advertising arena. The iPhone is a fashion accessory as much as a phone for many (non-technical) people and my perception of Microsoft's advertising in Europe at least is that they don't even really try!
 

trivor says:

I'm with Daniel on this one.  Samsung put HUGE resources into the Design and Engineering of their S3 (and by the way got all four US carriers and the international model to be identical phones - first time ever for Android - except for the processor - Exynos for Int and S4 for US domestic because of the the LTE radios - should expect the same for WP8).  No one should really expect them to to expend major resources for a a platform with less than 3% market share total and probably less then 1% (maybe .5%) for Samsung.  I think the big problem will be putting the S3 vs the WP8 in the store will the WP8 design attract people?  That is the million (Billion?) dollar question.  No one outside of Nokia is going to do cutting edge design on WP8 unless it gets some market share (say 10%+).  And for those of you that think you're going to get the Lumia WP8 for cheap I think you're in for a big surprise because Nokia needs to start making money again and selling high end devices (dual core, LTE, HD screens, lots of memory (if the Samsung WP8 has 16/32 GB with micro SD, HDMI out, LTE, dual core, HD screen) for less than $599 off contract and $199 on contract I think you're dreaming.

Pacmanimal says:

Please just don't forget we need MANY wp8 models on all carriers globally just to gain some traction in the market.
So receycled or new, it's always good. The more models the better that's the assignment.
Then when marketshares start rising, see what happens.

robert brand says:

Guys, thanks for commenting! 

HTC are losing money, sure the OneX is a good phone, I did say that, it did not do too well for them.  Why release it again as a Windows Phone device?

8MP camera (both devices),  not exciting. Will it be more exciting when launch day comes?  Not so much. 16MP - 24MP - PureView - maybe...

I understand why they are re-using their designs but it does not mean I have to like it. Beyond re-use, bigger questions from these guys. Samsung are knee deep in Android, incentive to push Windows Phone and evidence of any previous push for Windows Phone? – I cant think of a good reason and havent seen any ads for WP – heck they missed 7.5 devices completely in the UK…

Software and services? Well HTC had a crack at it, will they try to do more now Nokia has shown them how to differentiate with exclusives, tie-ins? Doubtful, they are spending all their R&D budget on Sense, and of course advertising Android and developing the next one..

Looking through all the comments, aside from the occasional one, most folks look to already have made up their mind. Nokia have proved that their support is worth buying into. Even though turn by turn is going into WP8 – chances Nokia will have a superior version on their Phones?

For those that say, yeah the Samsung SIII is kind of neat now, let’s see how that pans out when the time comes…  These devices look good now, that is the point. How about the updates, the tweaks, the extras?

If I have come across as overly harsh then that’s unfortunate. When Samsung and HTC release a WP8 device, I want them to come out fighting. If their devices are old models and they fail to deliver on software extras and advertising then yet again they are along for the ride.

Samsung and HTC launch an Android phone, it’s a big thing. They make a song and dance about it, not so with Windows Phone. They seem content to let them trickle out the door with little fanfare.  

If we can do away with the speeds and feeds, the root of this article is aimed squarely at the level of interest these companies show towards Windows Phone. RB