Windows Desktop making a comeback with Windows 8.1?

Windows 8 Start Screen

There is speculation that with the Windows 8.1 update users will have the option to boot up directly to the traditional desktop view. The 8.1 update, code named Blue (that will also impact Windows Phones), will still have the hot corner functionality for access to the Charms and Start Screen.  The option will simply launch the desktop view on the computer at boot up.

No word on whether or not the Start Button will be making a comeback (wouldn't hold your breath) but it will be nice to have the option to go straight to the desktop view. Especially for those who prefer the more traditional Windows view.

Source: The Verge



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pankaj981 says:

They should make Windows 7 view as classic view or a new theme

MediaCastleX says:

I agree that this would make the most sense...like for businesses or the weak =P

pankaj981 says:

Yeah personally i am loving the modern ui on my laptop but i could not install win8 on the pc my parents use coz they are used to the old start orb, this new interface is too confusing for them

blackprince says:

My 70 year old father finds it easy to use hmmmm.

exyaster says:

My 80yr grandpa can use the start screen fine. Then again he is using an all in one.

pankaj981 says:

Well my parents are not technology sound at all (even though my dad uses a Lumia 900 that I gifted him :) ), they only use the pc to skype with me since i stay in a different country. All they can do is open the skype app and do some word processing, sometimes i feel a surface tab would be ideal for him since it has touch inputs.

Jazmac says:

Awesome. Let me guess, your father has "common sense". Which is all it takes to use Windows 8.  One thing for sure, Windows 8 is surely exposing a lot of these shade tree technicians. They are absolutely baffled by the addition of live tiles. lol.

ymcpa says:

Spend 10 minutes to show them everything and it won't be confusing anymore.

pankaj981 says:

Yeah i probably might try that experiment when i am home later this year, i would rather let them use the pc than struggle finding programs they would like to use. On another note, installing windows 8 might make them use it more since windows 8 has some cool metro games

Zulfigar says:

Yeah, I wonder how many people actually realizes Windows 8 brings more to the table than Windows 7. Sure, it may have a new interface (now it's 2 desktops instead of just 1), but hopefully this feature that'll come in Blue will fix all the confusion.
Guess now it'll be Windows 7 with Metro (sorry, I like Metro more than "Modern UI")? lol

keithvsmith says:

I use StartisBack on my desktop. Other than the skin change in Windows 8 & the constantly open modern weather app open on my second monitor. You'd never know I have Windows 8 & not Windows 7. I also have Stardock's ModerMix which lets me run the modern apps in a window in desktop mode.

NIST says:

Must we always dumb down technology for those who are lazy? What are we Apple?

pooleyjnr1 says:

^ god im so with you NIST. What's the point of creating a new, amazing, start screen to give people the lazy option. Just load windows8 and have play around, its a brilliant UI. Forward Microsoft, forward not backwards.

lancguy says:

I totally agree here. Microsoft did extensive research and found that the majority of users didn't use the start menu anyway. Like many other people I pinned programs to the task bar. The start screen solution is brilliant! I no longer have to drill down the folder tree to find the program I want. I can organize my tiles how I want, on the apps I cam get live updates without launching the AP. I find me start "menu" is much cleaner and easier to use. I'm tired of this argument. If people spent as much energy learning and using the os as they do complaining about the loss of something they don't use anyway, they might find that they actually like it.

pankaj981 says:

Well tell that to the enterprises and non power users, there are probably a ton of people working in multi national firms who will find it difficult (for sometime) to use the new ui. Also dont jump to the conclusion that people are lazy here, Microsoft has made a drastic change here to their ui without letting users to adopt. They should have left the orb as an option with the new ui, so non power users would be able to try both at the same time as a transition phase and then removed it off completely in Blue

greg2k says:

It takes literally 15 seconds to train a new W8 user:
- How to reach the desktop
- How to get back to the Start screen
- How to shut down the PC

If people cannot become accustomed to this during their first hours in front of Windows 8, they should not be allowed to use a PC. I know many elderly people coming from XP that are doing perfectly fine with W8

pankaj981 says:

Well again thats your opinion

One i share its not rocket science the Ui in Window 8 is the simplest most intuitive i have ever used, i understand its easy to become blinkered and stubborn when you are used to something but without change things become stale.

esmode says:

You're confusing intuitive with efficiency and simplicity. If the UI was intuitive, we wouldn't be talking about training or looking things up. You're not going to press Win+D or move your mouse off screen based on intuition because there's no indication in the UI for you to do that. You're generally going to do it because you already knew the shortcut or you looked up the gesture. Whether you think that is good or bad, that by definition, is not intuitive. The UI might be efficient and it might not be complicated, but this aspect of it is not designed around intuition.

Maybe you are right perhaps because i have had an xbox360 and a windows phone since day 1 i am so accustomed  to using a metro interface it just seems like second nature to me.
Perhaps it is wrong of me to expect everyone to find it as natural as i do.

ade333 says:

Greg, this idea is false and pushing it just makes adoption harder.  Set the right expectations and people will be happier.  It would be a challenge to explain to a user how to get to disk manager in 15 seconds.  There is a fundamental shift with this OS and that requires time for it to settle in.  15 seconds of training will leave you with an aggrivated user.  I can tell you that as a fact as I've deployed a couple hundred Win8 desktops in the last few months.

While on the start screen, type in disk manager.
There, explained in less than 15 seconds.

ade333 says:

Sorry, but that doesn't work.  In the IT support world you've now had to interact with me once so that I could find something I used to be able to find on my own.  I was frustrated then, and now, after you've given me bad information, you're going to have to talk to me again - and I'm more frustrated.  I've lost productivity and you have as well.  And what's the benefit? 

greg2k says:

Ok, here's what happened when I was at Microsoft: people wrote a couple of memos, provided some basic how-to guides in PDF form and had people read them ahead of the Windows 7 cutoff date. When people started using Windows 8, they were familiar with it.

OMG rocket science!

esmode says:

The problem isn't about the difficulty in navigating the UI, or the length of training. It's the fact that people have to be trained to do something that you can usually look at and figure out in most operating systems that have a UI. It's not a problem for me, but it's not exactly a selling point for the masses of Windows users.

lancguy says:

Well, I'm not particularly thrilled with the shut down process. Honestly I'd rather have a tile for shutdown. But I did quickly figure out how to shutdown

NIST says:

Sounds like you have a lazy IT or training department in your organization. This isn't a class or training session on networking, its a class on finding the tile that says "Desktop".

pankaj981 says:

Well I do admit, the fortune 50 company that I work in does have a lazy IT dept...and all metro apps will be blocked

NIST says:

You mean you have a standard build and the inability to access the marketplace to download or install apps. Integrating your standard build apps into the start menu would be a better solution than blocking an entire start screen, which sounds like a pretty lame approach.

ade333 says:

The problem is not the training, it's the justification for the training.  If the new UI was more productive than the desktop/traditional start for business use, I'd get behind it.  It's not, so everyone gets classic shell installed.  Should I also be training people how to use OSX, centos, etc etc just because they exist?  No.  The point of end-user IT support is not just to fix things or train, it's to give users the ability to be efficient and productive while managing expense and security.  The easiest way to do that right now onWindows 8 systems is to eliminate exposure to an unfamiliar and unnecessary aspect of the OS... it's no different than disabling games or automating updates.
I have win8 on every system I use.  On my surface, the new start screen is excellent and I wouldn't dream of using anything else.  But when I sit down at work and have excel, outlook, 3 rdp sessions, IE, citrix, etc etc running across multpile displays, the new UI slows me down or gets in the way.  I put my time in with it and it's cool... i see the potential but it's not there yet.  Maybe it will be in with Blue, but it's not today.
I don't disagree with any of the comments that claim that it's easy to use, fast, modern, more intuitive, the way of the future... those all are or may be true, but as of right now, it's not faster or eaiser for a knowledgeable user.  In fact, it's the opposite.  I like the new approach, but when I have 100 things to do in a day that only has time for 90, I'm going to use what works best, and right now thats the desktop and traditional start menu.

Bryce Cramer says:

I was with you at the beginning of your post.  When you have 15,000 users switching to Win8 modernUI, its inevitable that a certain % of people with run into trouble.  What business value does ModernUI add to a Fortune 500 company if your firewall blocks access to cloud services by default?
However, you lost me at the end about a knowledge worker.  You can multitask just as easy on Win8 as you could on Win7.  Move your mouse to the upper left and drag down.  All your apps are right there.  Its not intuitive (until someone shows you)  Or of course you can just Alt-Tab.  I reject the idea that people can't be just as productive in Win8 ...once they are properly trained.

lancguy says:

And open programs still show and are grouped in the task bar which hasn't gone away

ade333 says:

So we have some personal differences and probably work in different ways. That's fair and I'm not going to argue that your opinions aren't valid, but lets look at what you said.... W8 is just as productive as W7 after training. Not MORE productive. So as a business owner I now have to cover the training costs/productivity loss just so that they can be JUST AS productive. There's no value there.

Bryce Cramer says:

We are saying the same thing.  The argument I've repeatedly heard is that Win8 hampers users and therefore is not as productive.  So on that basis alone, it is an inferior OS and provides no value to a business.  I reject that statement.
The value will be based on how well does it run my business applications.
Some of the value propositions that enterprises care about include:
1. Ability to deploy tablets (esp to executives) with a touch friendly UI AND still manage the devices with existing backend systems like SCCM.  Apple and Android can't do that without investing in new management technologies.
2. Windows 8 ToGo has some very interesting applications that Win7 doesn't offer.
3. Much better performance esp boot up time.
But for the majority of existing business userw, I don't see what value Win8 offers.  Instead, added training will be a cost rather than an advantage.  I agree with you there.
But once trained, you can do everything in Win8 just as fast as Win7 (sometimes faster/sometimes slower but it averages out).  But I agree with you that is a negative aspect for corporate adoption until other business values are identified.

schlubadub says:

I agree... I am MUCH faster in W7 than W8. I really dislike the charms bar - sometimes it appears when I don't want it, and I often find it difficult to show it or it is slow to reveal itself (perhaps made more difficult by having my left monitor as the primary screen, so I have to be precise & can't just put the cursor up against a hard edge of the screen).
I also dislike that the new interface of W8 doesn't support multiple monitors properly, so I can't show a full-screen app and interact with something running on the desktop on the second monitor without the full-screen app disappearing. The start screen also doesn't run over 2 monitors.
I find W7 a joy to use everyday... but W8 still slows me down and gets in my way, as you said

Cristoby says:

I must be a power user, because I just press Win+D to get to the desktop in less than a second, or click the DESKTOP tile in less than two seconds, or type "Desktop" then press enter, in less than three seconds.

Saiyaku says:

What are you, some kind of wizard?!? Win+D... preposterous!

zero_1984 says:

Hate to say it mate, but this is the same argument used when the ribbon was introduced in office 2007.
oh the uproar in the enterprise. and then people just did training during a rollout, and the complaining lasted about a month. throw someone in front of open office that doesnt have the ribbon now, and people are lost.
fact of the matter is that microsoft have done their research and found that people only used the start menu 15% of the time anyway. unfortunately, the lead designer for the start menu of windows 8 wasnt very good at communicating this fact and the fact of the matter is, its just badly handled PR.
When you click your start menu, or anyone using windows 7, how many enterprise users do you know that actually use their mouse to get to programs rather than already just start typing? the functionality is the same.
Favourite programs like outlook and word are usually pinned to their taskbar.
the fact is that enterprise once educated will accept windows 8 because it allows for more advanced features like windows to-go and direct access, both of which are going to be big technologies in the years to come.

j_the_geek says:

Tis a good point. I think because of this, children growing up now don't have to adapt to the world around them, as its adapting to them for ease.

ade333 says:

 You and I didn't have to learn to hunt for food in order to survive, but that didn't ruin us.  In fact, it's allowed more people to live.

zeke009 says:

If they did that, they would never get to where they want to be. If Windows XP taught us anything, it is that not driving change creates a massive nightmare when the change is unavoidable. Getting off IE6, Office 2003 and WinXP is painful in the business world.

WinFan1 says:

the only thing that windows xp taught me is that its clunky unintuitive and annoying to deal with driver issues. windows 8 is rapidly faster. office 2013 way better. and ie10 is the shizzle my nizzle.

akki20892 says:

Microsoft now doing "Windows 8.1 boot to desktop option" that's great.

WPuser8 says:

are u stupid? this article has the same topic!

Rishicash says:

Be civil please.

NIST says:

I never go into "Desktop mode" on my systems. Even a desktop app shows up in the all programs list. There is really no reason for the desktop mode as far as I can tell. Pressing the start button if brought back should take you to the all programs window now in existence, where even all your legacy apps would be anyways.
IDK after using Win8 start screen, desktop mode, android, even Mac OS just looks like a mess.
I think once Blue introduces smaller tile options, most people can configure their start screen into fewer clusters, thus reducing the scrolling on non touchscreen desktops.

GizmoEV says:

@NIST: how do you have 3-4 simultaneously open windows on the Modern UI? If you have multiple monitors how do you get the modern UI on both monitors at the same time? There are still some things I regularly use which are more efficiently done in desktop mode. I use both. Either bring back the traditional start orb icon or extend the customization of the right click menu of the start screen popup on the desktop.

DavidinCT says:

No need to insult people because he/she was linking another sites report of it....

Uh, there already is a windows 7 classic desktop view, its the bloody desktop. It just doesn't have the stupid start button, but has the hot corner in the same place

pankaj981 says:

Ok then may be add the damn orb to it :)

Why? Use the hot corner, it is like half a centimetre away from where the old start button was.

Saiyaku says:

What about using... *drumroll*

...the Windows key?

Well, Windows Key has been able to open the start menu for years, if they are complaining  for the start button to come back I doubt they ever knew that. Either way, they are complaining about a non-issue

Nejcooo says:

yp! if you ask me it's stupid to have full screen metro on fullhd 22 inch screens. that's the ression why im sticking with win 7

:| Hit Win+D when it boots up and bring up the Desktop.

MediaCastleX says:

It's probably also the reason you can't spell, which is more stupid than full screen applications. I have modified my work in non-Windows 8 PCs to emulate the experience as much as possible. Still constantly looking for hot-corners, charms and Modern goodness. The problem people have in being productive on the new system is by fault of habit. When you stop acting as though there is ONLY one way to work, you work better in the newer systems. Then again we clearly can't expect bananas to compare to apples and oranges... =P

cuzincurly says:

I want the start button back on desktop view then windows 8 will be perfect (typing this from a non touch screen windows 8 laptop)

ScarletStar says:

But why? The left bottom corner is the new start button. It does the exact same thing other than not taking up space...

CJ Thunder says:

Or hit the Windows Key

WinFan1 says:

buy a mouse and use that instead of the trackpad in my experience its the trackpad that is the most unintuitive input device with win8. with mouse it works superbly.

I agree with you on this, I rarely use my trackpad - always mouse (non touch screen laptop). If stores would only set up laptops with a mouse, I think they would sell more. Scrolling with the wheel, right clicking for options - so much easier to use. When I upgraded my laptop, I went out and bought a new mouse right away, after using the Windows 8 previews, I knew it was something I would want.

WinFan1 says:

i knew it was a feature i would need the gestures on the trackpad are hit and miss at best.

acl14 says:

Ok, it's obvious that you don't use/know edge swipe gestures on your trackpad.

WinFan1 says:

Your probably right but I love my arc mouse lol

acl14 says:

Haha that's ok, but please don't blame the trackpad.

Actually I do know how to use them but find it more of a nuisance than anything. I tend to turn it off and just use keyboard shortcuts + the mouse.

acl14 says:

Feel free to use whatever you find more confortable with. Sometimes I rather use mouse but sometimes I choose the trackpad.

blackprince says:

I hate trackpads and wish I could buy a laptop w/o one because I always buy a mouse to go with the laptop.

+1000000. I've been saying this forever too, the start button is still technically there. After using w8 for a few months I now realize how useless that button was, and would have been with the hot corners.

prowade says:

You should check out Pokki for a Start Button replacement. It is free and is quite nice. It also lets you boot straight to desktop and basically disable the hot corners if you want. Also if you want a more traditional Start Button you could buy and download Start 8 from Stardock Software. It is like 5 dollars and mimics the original Start Menu almost exactly.

WinFan1 says:

yeah i mean there are workarounds. i dont know why people cry so much about it.

macscomp68 says:

There is also Classic Shell which is also free. I use that one.

cannon#WP says:

Not going to happen. In my practice, the new screen is much faster than the start button and I ONLY have non-touch screen Win8 laptops.

MediaCastleX says:

It won't be perfect, just the hobbling that people expect for Microsoft...honestly they just need the apps to catch up

If this becomes a reality, I'm so buying a new Windows 8 laptop!

The way windows 8 currently works is no different than if windows 7 booted and opened the start menu. If that's all it takes to cause you to hold purchase, I'm surprised you'd buy any computing device at all.

deloa84 says:

Lol what he said...

No, its just I'm lazy, I like to have things done for me, like going straight to desktop view.

So you can then press the windows key and start typing to open a program right? Fastest way to do it since vista man. In technology, if you don't adapt, you get left behind.

I would say "in thechnology, if you dont adapt, you get left behind" is mostly true, but its not entirely realistic. I have a divided view on "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" but the traditional desktop functions can use an improvement, but the concept remains realistic. Why do we have to begin at the start screen? I wouldn't mind having tiles for a convertible, or tablet. But the Win8 start screen has recieved heavy criticism with the use of a mouse and keyboard, and It exactly doesn't work out for me either. Starting up Win8, they should have given you two options: Classic desktop, or the start screen. I have not seen a mention of Vista since 2010, and it was a complete mess. Microsoft has created a solid ecosystem, especially with asthetics and function. But your quote only applies to mobile tech now. Each 6 or so months, mobile devices have become handheld monsters with CPUs and GPUs rivaling current gen consolesa and low to mid spec laptops. I agree with you, but its always two way street and one lane might be wider than the other.

Sorry for any incorrect Gramar.

"I would say "in thechnology, if you dont adapt, you get left behind" is mostly true, but its not entirely realistic."
On what reasons do you make that claim?
'I have a divided view on "if it ain't broken, don't fix it"'
Well, horse drawn carts weren't broken either, but most of us have moved on since then.
"Why do we have to begin at the start screen?"
How is the start screen any different than the desktop?  They are both app launchers at the onset.
"I wouldn't mind having tiles for a convertible, or tablet. But the Win8 start screen has recieved heavy criticism with the use of a mouse and keyboard, and It exactly doesn't work out for me either."
Explain your reasons why it doesn't work out for you.  I have a triple monitor workstation with windows 8 andusing the mouse is no different than it was in the past.  The scroll wheel works wonders for left<->right scrolling in metro apps.  Unless you substantiate your assertion with something more than an argument from authority or ad populum then I can just dismiss the claim.
"Starting up Win8, they should have given you two options: Classic desktop, or the start screen."
What is the first thing you do after you boot up and log in on any computing device? That's right, you launch a program. Tell me how launching a program from the start screen is harder than the desktop?
"I have not seen a mention of Vista since 2010, and it was a complete mess."
Based on what reasons? Opinion isn't a reason.  Vista worked fine on a machine that wasn't cheaper than a night out on the town.  I can say that 7, in addition to being better optimized, made improvements on menus and structures of menus.  However, that's not even related to what I said about Vista.  My comment was about how the global search feature has had the same mode of operation since Vista.
"Microsoft has created a solid ecosystem, especially with asthetics and function."
Oh?? Weren't you just claiming that the start screen is bad?  Contradictory claims here.
"But your quote only applies to mobile tech now."
Assertion.  Explain your reasoning.
"Each 6 or so months, mobile devices have become handheld monsters with CPUs and GPUs rivaling current gen consolesa and low to mid spec laptops."
My 5 year old PC is more powerful than NEXT gen console specs (according to leaks), so that argument is moot and is simply a red herring.

"On what reasons do you make that claim?" 
Well, not everyone has $800 to shell out on an out-of-contract cellphone while stuck in one.
"Well, horse drawn carts weren't broken either, but most of us have moved on since then."
Of course, but how long did that take?
"How is the start screen any different than the desktop? They are both app launchers at the onset."
I agree, but aesthetics can ruin function and flow.
"Explain your reasons why it doesn't work out for you. I have a triple monitor workstation with windows 8 andusing the mouse is no different than it was in the past. The scroll wheel works wonders for left<->right scrolling in metro apps. Unless you substantiate your assertion with something more than an argument from authority or ad populum then I can just dismiss the claim."
No, my problems are from experience. I probably not have had enough time with Win8 as there is a learning curve. But I demoed a laptop with the new OS, and the Start screen is odd. Click on a program, and opens it full screen. I dont want to work on an full-fledged OS that works similar to a tablet or phone. The Start screen is nice, but has its flaws. And why would i want to go through a process of clicking WIN+D. The Modern UI is supposed to be streamlined and simple.
"What is the first thing you do after you boot up and log in on any computing device? That's right, you launch a program. Tell me how launching a program from the start screen is harder than the desktop?"
Some open in full screen-Im gonna take fire for this.
"Oh?? Weren't you just claiming that the start screen is bad? Contradictory claims here.
ABSOLUTELY NOT! NO! NO! NO! The Start screen is great. But the desktop should have remained as a primary screen and upon pressing Start ,the Start screen would appear. Vise versa. Or simply simple.
"Assertion. Explain your reasoning."
Modern ARM processors in Smartphones have jumped from well under 50MHz to pass 2GHz in a Short timespan(compared to Modern PC CPUs). Their instruction set is not comparable to a x86 processor, but they are relatively fast for their size and energy efficiency compared to a laptop or desktop. PowerVR GPUs with 16 or more cores can produce a polygon count similar or double to that in the current gen Xbox. As mobile Operating Systems become more advanced and demand more cores for operations(ex. WP7 vs. WP8), 4-5 year old Dual Core Intel chips can still upgrade to Win8. "My 5 year old PC is more powerful than NEXT gen console specs (according to leaks), so that argument is moot and is simply a red herring." But technically if you run a PC with similar hardware against the Playstation 4, which one will run smoother? On a PC your running Windows in the background which is consuming resources as a Console dedicates more power from the hardware more efficiently. On a PC power can be raw and defined, but on a console and phone, its about optimization.
"My 5 year old PC is more powerful than the NEXT gen consoles specs(according to leaks), so that  argument is moot and is simply a red herring." 
Okay, but the NEXT gen console are supposed to be priced lower than a PC and will do its job much more efficiently with comparable hardware.
Im still buying Win8, im in the middle of a GPU change.

ImmortalWarrior, great minds think alike

WinFan1 says:

This would be good for the fools who don't know how to click desktop.

Bloobed says:

Or press WIN + D, or place the desktop as the first tile and press ENTER.

WinFan1 says:

look at that i didnt even think of those. INTUITION thats what you have good sir and or madame!

arterbizzle says:

I abuse WIN + X as well :)

It might boost sales as well. Everytime I'm at Beat Buy or Costco's you see people just look at a Windows 8 PC with utter confusion or disgust. I've never seen the "average consumer" even remotely interested in it, at all!
Many people I know that have used PC's for years say they'll either stick with W7 or say they're going to give a Mac a try now, rather than even consider Windows 8. My brother even said "If I wanted Windows Phone on my computer, I'd buy a Windows Phone!" Uneducated about Windows 8 for sure, but that's the way the "average consumer" sees it. Sad but true.

WinFan1 says:

thats because the average consumer doesnt know how to use the software. most people didnt actually take the time to learn it during beta because most people are satisfied with windows 7, doesnt hurt microsofts marketshare but it doesnt help sales. thats all that people are referring too. if people knew the benefits how to use it, the increase in speed as well as organization and how quickly you can launch what you need to launch via universal search then i think at least the dislike due to ignorance will disappear.

deloa84 says:

I have seen the "average consumer" interested in W8. Heck I even taught an 87 year old women how to use W8 and it ended in a very nice sale AND on top that she liked it. She told me one store didn't bother to teach her because they though she was too old to learn it... If she can learn, Im pretty sure anyone else can. People will buy Mac if they feel like dropping $1000+ on something that they will probably have to relearn. Plus in my opinion Windows 8 is far more innovative this time around than Mac ever was.

So would the mac OS lol, get rid of em.

alvinsfb says:

It would be nice for those who loves the traditional looks!

Benjisbrk says:

This would make Windows 8 usable... I could not survive on my work computer without a third party start button.

Hyperbole much? I bet my triple monitor windows 8 workstation is faster and more capable than it's windows 7 equivalent.

Actually, I would know the answer to that because it used to have windows 7.

zeronoise says:

Agree 100%....win8 is more efficient (so what if I can only do 2 metro apps per monitor do I need more? Windows software works like before) especially with multiple monitors

pkacd1981 says:

Yeah, most people use multiple monitors:) Drag and drop is essential to any PC. How does the metro UI handle this? It doesn't. "Windows 7" on Windows 8 does.

Why are you dragging and dropping across monitors in the start screen? The start screen is just a launcher. I see it for all of 0.65 seconds while I type the first 3-5 letters of the app I want and press enter. I dare you to be a faster multitasker than I.

deloa84 says:

Usable? You mean it is impossible to click the desktop icon or use the hot key shortcut? It takes a fraction of a second many cases.

WinFan1 says:

not to mention the fact that its just faster in every sense of the word. people really are rather difficult.

cannon#WP says:

Wow. Everyone here at my company has adapted to Win8 and love it without the start button. Seems you didn't really make an effort.

WinFan1 says:

isnt that the always the problem with introducing something new into a culture familiar with something else.

Really? Moving your mouse cursor half a centimetre farther into the bottom left corner to open the start menu is too much fucking work for you?

WinFan1 says:

Apperantly for most people.

deloa84 says:

Yes that sounds very impossible (sarcasm). Lol

pallentx says:

It makes Windows 8 completely unusable, obviously...

mayur89 says:

i like windows 8 UI and i really don't wanna go back. the hot corners functionality and app switching is Superb!! :) Im happy with it... its very Fast! i don't like to use windows 7 now... i wd like to say that people don't wanna change... if they try once, they wl cm to know it's power! :) :)

I agree, going back to my development laptop at work with windows 7 feels like a massive regression.

cannon#WP says:

Same here, after using Win8 on my work & home laptops, I couldn't really use my wife's Win7 laptop.

arterbizzle says:

I went back to Win7 on my desktop and didn't last a day. The metro apps are what makes Win8 imo and I missed them. Once you get used to Win8 it's very intuitive and a pleasure to use.

EDDS says:

So long as the blue update for windows phone lets me boot to desktop I'll be happy /sarcasm

tgr42 says:

Don't you guys know this is already possible?  All it requires is a slight bit of intelligence and 1 or 2 minutes of googling.  *sigh*

WinFan1 says:


skoll1988 says:

hahaha missread it as:'' we dont use the g-word here good siri lol'' :D
i know its stupid but i got a smile

deloa84 says:

"1 or 2 minutes of BINGing." corrected ;)

WinFan1 says:

lol Why thank you kind hearted person. :P

cefuller12 says:

Be sure to follow your Bing rewards.. IT's at least worth a $5 Startbucks card per month.

DavidinCT says:

Or $5 credit towards Windows Phone 8 apps....

tgr42 says:

lol... sorry but just ... no.  Even if I actually switched to Bing, which seems unlikely to ever happen, I would have to go with "searching the web" or some similarly generic phrase over "binging" which sounds wrong on so many levels!

WinFan1 says:

Don't be a hater now lol I am just kidding anyways

No problem with that, as long as it doesn't mean holding back on pushing Modern UI further. Doesn't make sense to force everyone into legacy mode.

I love windows 8 booting straight to my most used apps! Desktop always looked cluttered so I tried to keep shortcuts to a minimum!
My only complaint...not being able to use w8 apps alongside legacy apps...IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO DO IT!

They should allow the entire start menu to snap to either side (and vertically) and then allow for apps launched to stay in said window!!!

YetiBoney says:

Wow, a column of start menu apps would be awesome in snapped view - never thought of it. Now it's going to annoy me until they bring it, thanks!

Boggy79 says:

Is it really that hard to hit the Windows Key or the Desktop Tile?  Takes a fraction of a second.  Considering Upgrading from Win7 to Win8 has taken over a minute off my boot time I think I can spare the time.
I launch almost everything from the Start screen now.  No untidy shortcuts on the desktop, no navigating through folder structures; hit Win Key, start typing Program name and hit enter.  Simple, faster and defines everything about the Modern UI.

Wael Hasno says:

I like Windows 8 the way it is, I simply love it. I don't mind adding a few optional settings like this, even better if they're going to make people bitch less about it.

deloa84 says:

Well that's a lame update. You can simply click the desktop icon or use the Start + D shortcut and boom there's your desktop, unless that's too much work/hassle for some people...

jiffffy pop says:

Honestly people are afraid of change. I got Win8 the day the 920 was released, I did not like it at first but this OS is Microsoft's best yet. I just wish more people felt the same way.

I do, it's fast and intuitive. Using hotkeys and hot corners is much faster. I've been using Windows for 2 decades and didn't know about most of the hotkeys.

tekhna says:

Lol. Well, I guess Microsoft saw the sales numbers and figured it was about time to get off a losing horse amid stream. 

theefman says:

Bringing the start button back wont help sales one bit. People are buying tablets because those devices meet their needs not because there is no start button on Windows 8.

tekhna says:

People aren't buying Windows 8. Period. End of story. 
It might bring back sales in the enterprise sector. Without enterprise, Microsoft is toast. 

WinFan1 says:

wow what a negative nancy.

zeke009 says:

It is sad that the 'people' can't accept change or see where things are headed. The death of the Start Menu and the merging of MS products is a good thing for a common experience across multiple device types.
This is necessary and not just a change for the heck of it. Besides, if people had accepted the changes in the Start Menu since Vista, this wouldn't be so painful for them as it is a quicker way to navigate and it translates beautifully to Windows 8.

cannon#WP says:

That's REALLY hard to say. Some enterprises are still running WinXP and NT Server (or Server 2003). Only those with a need for more secruity have moved to Win7 and maybe Server 2008. They see no need to upgrade because of the money plus the fact that everything's stable with Win7. It's XP -> 7 all over again. You'll see enterprise move to Win9 or 10 when they again have a need for higher security measures.

prlundberg says:

I can see business moving to Windows 8 for devices like the Surface.  Unfortunately the RT isn't enterprise friendly and the Pro is expensive, so I don't know what kind of inroads they will make there.  Our company hasn't even finished transitioning from XP to 7.  8 isn't on the radar yet.  We are at the point now that we have thousands of applications, and we rely on them much more heavily than ever before.  Some applications take months of training and use for users to reach maximum productivity.  Combined with security lockdown requirements, OS upgrades have become a real nightmare and this is true for most large companies.  Nobody wants to initiate such a radical change that will cost huge amounts of money in verification, training, and lost productivity.   This stuff seems obvious from business perspective but I can see why consumers wouldn't understand what kind of undertaking it can be.

WinFan1 says:

yeah but tablets running win 8 are the same thing as pcs. when you take the time to consider that microsoft is trying to break that boundary.

tekhna says:

Sure. And how's that going for them? 
My laptop is for production, my tablet is for consumption, and never (yet anyway) have the twain met. I don't see that changing anytime soon. 
All the fears about the death of the PC are overblown, to a certain degree. In a work environment, the PC is never going away. The problem is that tablets give lie to what people actually do with a computer when they're not at work--they're for media consumption. They serve different needs. My mum has a very nice Lenovo laptop at home. I'm not sure she's touched in months since she got her iPad. She uses a PC at work all the time, but at home, nope. 

WinFan1 says:

your gonna judge everything based on what people are doing around you? my mother uses nothing but the desktop when she is not out doing things. i use both for the same things just depends on what i feel like doing. lets try to take peoples usage of the pc out of your home and apply it. as far as only using the ipad at some point or another she will connect it to a computer. and when it comes to media consumption im sure people have apple tvs xbox's and ps3 for it. everything depends on the person. not sure why anyone would buy any piece of tech to leave it lying around.

prlundberg says:

This is true, but Microsoft screwed up there as well.  The Surface RT, which I own, is a great device that has fully replaced my laptop for personal mobile use.  But security limitations are a non-starter for work use.  The Pro rectifies this but at a cost which is almost twice the typical business laptop of similar power.

Sales figures are not that bad. Any new computer bought comes with Windows 8, unless you buy a Mac. PC sales in general are down, and that is not because of Windows 8

ikhfa says:

Actually I was a skeptic when Win 8 first came to the stores. It was worse because I kept thinking I would never get used to the new interface. Well, months later, I would say the Start screen is very functional. And I do work with Office 2013 (neat) most of the time. Shifting from Desktop to Start is now second nature. For those of us who still worry, give it a few weeks. The Start screen grows on you (especially with the right apps).

LiLCLEMO says:

Just use startisback best thing for windows 8

No, not being an idiot and using the start screen hot corner is the best thing for Windows 8.

I'm starting to think people are unaware what the hot corners are.

WinFan1 says:

Lol deadly take it easy bro

LOL yeah perhaps I should have my Coffee in the morning before reading WPCentral. Seriously though..I  am starting to think that many people are unaware of the hot corner.. or perhaps they refuse to upgrade because their sacred start button is gone and just don't take the time to find out.

WinFan1 says:

i dont think they know that start menu and start screen are one in the same!

I know lol, For some reason people think that Windows 8 is only useful for touch screens.. I have 3 year old non-touch screen laptop, and Windows 8 works better for me on it than Windows 7 ever did.

WinFan1 says:

just the fact that it uses less resources for me is enough to have upgraded my asus laptop flys

theefman says:

So MS couldnt stick to their guns for even 1 year, after all the fancy presentations and launches they did for Windows 8. Guess now we can understand their lack of committment with WP, they havent got the stomach to stick to their principles.

WinFan1 says:

i dont think they are giving up on their priciples i just think they are taking advice from the customers. not everyone prefers the start screen so microsoft is giving those crybabys an option to boot up to whichever they prefer technically you still have to deal with new functions and everything but on something that your familiar with. if it helps boost sales idc which screen they boot too as long as its windows 8 that they are running.

lubbalots says:

They tried but couldn't defeat the whiners.

prlundberg says:

They have built Windows into its dominance by keeping things familiar for the past two decades.  Just how did they (or you) expect people to react when they changed things so radically?  And it's not like the Start page is all that great on a desktop PC, whether or not it is better is purely opinion based largely on specific needs.  
Microsoft ignored a lot of obvoius issues with Windows 8 and it is costing them dearly in the marketplace.  I can't imaging using the Metro interface in my business environment.  It would be a complete mess.  And I'm a Surface RT fan.

WinFan1 says:

I'm sorry it isn't the case at all. It isn't a matter of needs since it serves the same functions as windows 7. Its purely a matter of laziness or preference. Anyone who makes a decent effort to actually learn the software eventually becomes used to it.

prlundberg says:

The Start Page on the Modern interface is a matter of needs as it has functional limitations compared to a traditional desktop.  Sorry, I wasn't real clear on that.  Desktop mode does restore legacy functionality, but Microsoft has made it clear Modern/Metro is the future. 

WinFan1 says:

again organization is tentative to the user. you can organize the tiles in the manner you wish and name a specific grouping of applications in a manner that allows you to jump directly into the applications that you use for daily work. blaming the organization of windows 8 is not a valid argument for saying its not good for enterprise or business.

WTF are you  talking about? The desktop is already in W8, all they are talking about is having it boot to that desktop instead of the start menu... which you can already do if you want.  

tcman88 says:

I don't get the significant at all. It's the same exact procedures. It's hidden so you get to have more screen

cowboy620 says:

I installed wins 8 on all my computers around the house 1 custom built desktop 4 laptops 1 wins 7 tablet.
they run the best they've ever run I couldn't go back to wins 7.
I know it was the best o/s system ever but notice I said was wins 8 and the UI desktop blows it away ny desktop is fast very fast I love wins 8 just the way it is.
You can't improve perfection leave it alone.

AriesDog says:

Maybe some people are stuck in their old ways. I have a regular laptop, upgraded to Windows 8, and love the new interface. It just feels more modern.

lubbalots says:

I don't understand the traditional desktop screen. Not one bit. Now why can't the metro ui be the windows desktop screen, where every app will launch the programs you want. And for legacy apps, they can be stored in a specific app folder or whatever. Its time to truly get rid of that old interface.

prlundberg says:

If you don't understand the appeal of the desktop, evidently you don't use Windows 8 to do anything remotely complex.  Apple makes iPads for people like you.  The desktop is for productive people.

lubbalots says:

Your funny. Hard for anybody to move forward with people like you around. Desktop mode is just a look. Doesn't represent productivity.

prlundberg says:

For starters, desktop mode provides windows resizable in any way and in in number you'd like, file structure navigation, and pretty much all of the advanced settings.   I'm glad Modern is working out for you, but people need to stop pretending it's everything to everybody.  I do use Modern by the way, and in fact I own a Surface RT.    So I'm not holding you or anybody else back.  But the fact is Modern isn't ready for primetime, as it can not stand alone as a complete OS, not even in RT form.  

Sumit8 says:

comeback... it is not like everybody stopped using it...

DemiNutive says:

If you have windows 8 on a non touch screen and want the start orb back and have it boot to desktop then just download Classic Shell, its free and easy to use plus you can even make your own images your start orb.

TonyDedrick says:

To play devils advocate to the Metro lovefest, what compelling reason has Microsoft given the average person to fully embrace Win8?

WinFan1 says:

speed, apps, mobility (for those with a hybrid) ease of use. only they are lacking is refinements and apps.

semerdar34 says:

You have to hold the Hem's and Haw's of the world sometimes... this is all about keeping something familiar to hold on to. All MSFT needs to do is keep it in for the next year, so that the world gets use to the Modern UI. At that point they take it away

drg says:

Aiming for a corner is way easier then aiming for a button with the mouse pointer... please please please don't bring back the start button. then all the lamo's who said the start screen is lame will think they were right. windows 8 is under appreciated but just now were starting to hear good things about it by the general populace. 95/XP/7 all had bad press at first but swung around. Its starting to happen now for Win 8 from the people I've been talking to who bagged it at first. So dont go back now MS!

Jaskys says:

Booting straight to desktop won't boost sales and would ruin bussines model a bit.
Who wanted a new OS those bought it, only pirates left behind cause it isn't that simple to "crack" or "activate" windows 8.
And by the way i like the clean looks of win8, i don't have any icons on my desktop, all shortcuts on metro.
By the way windows 9 will be more integrated with metro but everyone will love it. You know why ? Cause windows 7 will be outdated and hating will be more non sense that it is now.
And by the way, going to desktop by a single click is that hard ? How lazy are you people ?

inteller says:

no way, this isn't happening.  This is just more malicious FUD mongering by TheVirgins....

DJCBS says:

The Start Button will HAVE to come back. It was such a STUPID idea to remove it that they simply can't expect people to like or get W8 with that absent. I know of NO ONE who uses W8 on a non-touch screen computer who: 1-  uses it on Metro mode; 2 -  doesn't complain about the absence of the Start button.

And no, people shouldn't be forced to download patches to the OS to fix what Microsoft stupidly broke. And the left side bar where the option is, is a nightmare to use with a mouse. And people what to be able to work on the computer with the mouse, without having to constantly go to the keyboard to press a button.

Then again, I think the best thing is just to put down W8 and come forth with W9. History has teaches us that for every good OS Microsoft creates, the next one is crap. (Windows - good; Windows 95 - bad; Windows 98 - good; Windows 2000 - bad; Windows XP - good; Windows Vista - bad; Windows 7 - good; Windows 8 - bad.)

dbgman says:

I used my laptop with windows 8 with a non-touch screen and loved it. It only got better when I got my surface pro with touch screen.
I wish they got a rid of the start button in windows 7 and put the "search programs and files" box there instead. That would save me a click. That is all I have been using since Windows 7. Who clicks on start then programs and scrolls through the list anymore?
I love the metro tiles.Just like my windows phone. I get to see what is happening without having to open the app up.
Another thing I love about windows 8 is how fast it is switching apps/programs.

prlundberg says:

"Who clicks on start then programs and scrolls through the list anymore?"  Business and power users who have dozens of applications installed, many of which are rarely used but still necessary.  Search and a clutter of live tiles is a poor substitute for logical hierarchical organization.  If you don't know exactly what you are looking for search can be completely worthless.

WinFan1 says:

universal search actually makes it easy if you arent completely incompetent. im pretty sure that if you work somewhere you know how to get to your daily programs. you can also pin specific applications to your taskbar. or add icons to your desktop. there is no major difference aside fromt he fact that the start button has been replaced with a smarter program finder. i think of my start screen as what the inside of the start button would look like. you have choice between icons and desktop....... contextual settings and universal search are two of the most useful functions i have ever used..

prlundberg says:

Yes I'm well aware of how search works, it has failed me on several occasions.  I stand by my assertion.  If you dont know or remember exactly what the name is you are looking for it can be useless.

WinFan1 says:

I don't think its the software that's failing at finding a program....

dbgman says:

All you need to do is move the more commonly used tiles to the left. As for search you start to type and "bam" there is programs with the letters you started to type. How easy is that?
BTW, I am an IT admin/programmer and power user.

The hot corner is not hard to use, you don't need to open the left side bar, just slam the cursor to the bottom left corner and click. The start button is still there. Traditional start button will never come back, deal with it

DJCBS says:

"Traditional start button will never come back, deal with it"

And I supose you're incharge of Microsoft to say that? Well, I bet you it will. Either that or Microsoft will NOT sell W8 to business companies. Windows has become a major OS for corporations and less and less a OS for ludic purposes. Apple has stole that segment. So creating a OS that is completely useless for enterprises and a nightmare when compared to W7 won't do. Microsoft WILL attend those complains. Because it's in their best interests to do it. And the start button will come back.
Deal with it.

WTF are you talking about? Businesses are already adapting to W8, and the start button is ALREADY THERE, just move your cursor a little bit farther into the corner. What do you people think bringing the start button back is going to do? It's just going to open up the launcher, not the old menu.

The start button is not a make it or break it feature for corporations and you need to go smoke more of whatever it is you are smoking if you think it is. Learn how to use Windows properly. How is it a nightmare? It certainly isn't useless. In-fact all the boot security and other under the hood changes are why enterprise is switching to it. The desktop is already there and quite easy to get to. They added in apps, and a new start screen. They remove the start button and retards around the world are uniting to complain.

That good/bad thing is very simplistic, almost esoteric.
And while I don't care if legacy start button comes back or not - don't going to use it - I don't believe it will ever come back. Maybe for Win 8 Enterprise Edition.

TreizFaction says:

No way this is gonna happen IMHO. The star page and the modern design language are the core of the system. Giving that up to save people 1 click if the mouse seems foolish when the software IS selling.

They are not talking about giving it up. The classic desktop is still part of windows 8, they are just talking about booting to it instead of the start menu

mjfadaway says:

Its annoying that everyone is having such a difficult time with the new start screen. I luv it!

inteller says:

it just shows you that idiots and luddites comprise the majority.

WinFan1 says:

^Inteller :D

Personally I don't see the point of this, sure some will be pleased. Do what I've done and put the desktop button on the main section of the start screen, or any legacy app button. Then you only have to click it to get to desktop view.

Not sure why people are having fits about the desktop view or start button, they are still there.

HermanDeezy says:

There's a window 7 shell I use for my Windows 8, I never see that view. Its a free program, I love it. I think its called Classic Windows 7 shell.

Why are you using a shell? Classic desktop already exists in Windows 8

Blau34 says:

No that is not true.
Desktop Users want Desktop after boot.And Users need fast way to Log off and so on.
If you have a lot of Programms installed the the ui looks ugly. and by the way. It needs a learning curve to use it without start. I installed on all of my PCs Start 8. Clasic Shell is an option too. But it should better if MS do it inside OS.

Not true? I assure you there is already a desktop view on W8, I use it all the time. And it isn't hard to get to desktop after boot. Just use Win+D or just put the Desktop icon as the first icon in the start screen and  just hit enter.  Really,  you people make such a big deal out of nothing.

And fast way to log off? Hit windows Key, click the users name, select sign out. Seems pretty fast to me. 

dkp23 says:

Weird boot to desktop work around it seems on my RT. 
So i followed the instructions to have my libraries recognize my folders on my microsd card.  Since it doesn't recognize out of the box and you really cant manage your music videos within the apps. 
So i followed one of the creating VHD processes where every boot up in mounts i think an VHD drive, so since this task is done every bootup, it goes to my desktop automatically.  It also opens my documents folder, but at least it goes to my desktop. 

Niavlys77 says:

I don't really see the point of this whole complaint, or how people can be that lazy, but yea sure 1 less click is nice I suppose...
On a side note, I still can't believe how people whine so much about the start screen and not having a button for it...seriously people, learn how to use Windows 8 properly and you'll love it. Windows 7 is far behind me now, and I'm just glad.

mdscj4 says:

This. Thank you..finally somebody understands

It's like they can't comprehend that the bottom left corner is a hot corner that is the start menu button. They really are bitching about a non-issue.

Niavlys77 says:

They really are. The moment I started using Windows 8 and found out that the corners were "hot corners", I thought it was fantastic...I mean, you really can't miss a corner (with multiple monitors yes, but they added those nice little blocking stubs that help a ton), and just for that alone I've been hooked.
And of course, that's only the very tip of iceberg of what makes Windows 8 excellent.

I  will admit  that I was hesitant to upgrade at first, but I did and have never looked back. I too quickly found out about the hot corners and think they are absolutely great. I don't use multiple montiors though as I only use laptops, and  remote into  the only desktop I have (HTPC). But honestly, I don't miss the start button one bit. I think in comparison the old start button/menu was very ineffecient.

Niavlys77 says:

I always tried to avoid the start menu, it was just a cluttered mess, and things always showed up there that you didn't want. Was a pain to organize and use. The start screen on the other hand...every single thing that I use can be pinned, and not a single thing extra. Love that.
As for upgrading computers, I actually upgraded 9 computers in my family and close friends, including 2 XP machines which run WAY better than before; I simply explained the basics to them, and every single one of them are more than happy with the $40 upgrade lol. Saved them $160 each for something they didn't know they'd love.

WinFan1 says:

you can organize the tiles in the manner you wish and name a specific grouping of applications in a manner that allows you to jump directly into the applications that you use for daily work.

Yeah the time limit on the $40 upgrade is what had me upgrade, wish I would have upgraded sooner; I too could have saved some people some money.

My HTPC still has Windows 7 because it runs a lot of services that I didn't know if they would be compatible with 8 or not. But when I remote in to it and  use it's  start button I am always reminded of how much better 8's way really is.

I've had a Windows Phone for a while though so perhaps I was already accustomed to Metro, but I don't understand why everyone is complaining about non-issues

ladydias says:

People really don't want to change. If you are willing to learn, Win 8 makes so much sense. I adore it in all honestly because it's so efficient and the bright colors on the start screen are so cheerful.

goulav says:

I really like the way windows 8 looks, square borders and flatter colors... but I went back to windows 7 for dvd maker. still hard to believe they took that out with 8. If 8.1 brings that back, I'll upgrade again....

dbgman says:

Just download live essentials 2012. You can make custom movies much better than the old dvd maker.

goulav says:

Movie maker, yes... but burning to dvd, no. It's completely gone in Windows 8. And when you upgrade from 7 to 8 and keep your apps, it deletes it. Nice little program to have, even though I use it rarely. I also had issues with burning regular cd's or mp3 disks. Reinstalled a few times and tried a few different apps, no luck. 

clay113 says:

Sad that MS has to work backwards and regress because people can't adapt. My preference is to use Metro and move forward. I have adapted and found it very useful and enjoyable than the traditional desktop. Eh to each his/her own.

They are not talking about regressing? Why do people seem  to think that they are talking about getting rid of Metro? All they are going to is give the OPTION to have the desktop view, which already exists in W8 right now, to load at start up instead of loading to the start screen. The menu will still be there, and easily accessed via the bottom left hot corner or the windows key.

mdscj4 says:

When will you people understand that the Start Button has been replaced by the Start Screen and won't be "making a comeback" as if that's Microsoft's plan? You writers clearly don't understand Microsoft and their ecosystem. Pathetic

pookiewood says:

They can bring the Start buttonback for the Whiners but PLEASE keep the right click on Start box Short menu to what I call the "Geeky Things".  It's all I used the original Start button for anyway.

Why? The start button already exists, it's the bottom left hot corner.. Why do people complain so much about a non-issue? It's like Microsoft took away the start button and a bunch of peoples lives suddenly had no purpose

AndyGriff says:

I think part of the problem is that a lot of programs that people still widely use launch on the desktop, and the desktop just *feels* wrong in Windows 8 -- it looks like it was tagged on at the last minute and that it's only there for legacy support.  I don't see why both can't be given equal billing, with most people gravitating towards the Metro interface for touchscreens and the desktop for traditional mouse and keyboard.  I mean, I barely touch the desktop on my Acer tablet but I think I'd prefer it on my work PC (not that I have that choice at the moment as we're all still running XP here...)

ScubaDog says:

Only the feeble-minded can't handle change.

chubibapao says:

I've been using start8 since day one. Always boot into desktop and have a nice windows 8 ish start button. And best of all it disables the left hot corners :)

mdscj4 says:

Why even upgrade then? Assuming you are using it on a non-touch laptop or desktop, what's the point? Unless you absolutely fell in love with the new Windows Explorer UI.

Of all the goodness I expect out of 8.1, the rumored "option to boot to desktop" seems to be the least productive and least interesting. The Windows 8 Start Screen "is" the Start Button. The sacred desktop can easily be reached from there.

penetronn says:

Cool. Options are nice.

angelix7766 says:

People need to just forget about the dumb start button and move on.

WinFan1 says:

i think the main thing people are not realizing is that the Start Menu is the Start Button incarnate. they seem to lack the comprehension to get that. IT IS THE START BUTTON... unfortunately how is microsoft supposed to push their metro ui if all the applications written in the NT kernel do not run in the legacy desktop? foolish people seriously....

uopjo6 says:

Win + D can't be that hard.

kane4fire says:

Now people are going to wonder how they run any application or get to the start menu. BRILLIANT! Be less dumb Microsoft and put the orb in the task bar.

WinFan1 says:

the start menu serves the same purpose. your saying put it back like it left. it hasnt been removed rather modified.

Eas195 says:

I'd prefer to keep my start screen rather than showing the desktop first. It's my 'habitat' now ;p

jimm69 says:

I can't believe how hard it is for people to get used to windows 8. It really is a practical operating system when you give it a honest chance. I blame most of this on the bad press from the brain dead tech journalists. Touch is definitely the way to go with it though which is the biggest hindrance for most lacking the necessary hardware.

goldenpipes says:

My biggest gripe about win8 is that metro apps need to be full screen. Why cant they be scaled? Also instead of the Start Screen. That should just be the desktop. And apps open on top of that, and minimize back to the tile.

goldenpipes says:

Idk I can see it in my head. Just hard to translate to words... I wish the desktop was the start screen. And when you open an app it opens like now, then if you wish you can resize/scale it to your liking, and when you want to minimize an app it minimizes to its tile, and maybe has small border around it to show its open, and live tile of course to show any changes in the app. This way metro and legacy apps can appear more alike and we could still call this windows. I use the desktop 75% of the time in on my computer. IE10, Zune for music, utorrent, vlc, Photoshop, Steam, Origin. That's what I use most of the time. There are a couple metro solitaire games I play. But I'm not impressed with apps on my PC. If I had a surface pro I might buy some apps. But my rig isn't really built for windows 8.

buggyglint says:

I hope to see this as an option, I'm currently using Start8 as an alternative solution and it works flawlessly.

gibbage says:

Windows 8 Metro UI is useless on a desktop PC.  Also you really cant effectivly multi-task with Metro.  Sure you can see a sliver of the app, and switch, but Metro removes the concept of "windows".  Even Skype stops working once its in the background!  Thats just amazingly stupid and requires the Metro Skype to be docked or full in order to work at all.  I tried for a week to use Metro, and gave up and got Start8 and have yet to go back to the Metro.  Im not missing it at all.

Scatty69 says:

anyone installed w8 on older comps with 2gb or ram? is it worth?

WinFan1 says:

Just as good just make sure you are installing the correct win8 32 or 64 bit

DavidinCT says:

From someone who has installed Windows 8 on netbooks and small tablets, I can honestly say, if Windows 7 runs pretty good, Windows 8 will run better. As they made it better on services so It should run better on a little lower end PC. I've seen it run on a netbook and I was shocked in the performance.
Good luck, download a trial, install it and see how you fair

I think this is a very bad idea. We would force people to use the live tiles until it becomes the familiar face of windows. Yes we will loose a few people on the way, but it'll be worth it. Picture the scene in a few years time, grandad and grandma go into the shop for a tablet or phone. When they see familiar live tiles on the screen they will instantly be at home with the device and know how to use it.
Long game Microsoft, long game.

Spicymikey says:

Argue all you want.  The "Metro", tile, edge to edge emersion, style is a failure on the desktop where someone is sitting away from the screen and holding a mouse and keyboard.  its great on my phone or surface tablet.  But it's just a step back in productivity.  We are only talking seconds slower in task performance, but none the less slower and more combersome.  There are fans on here that will argue with that assertion but it's really not debatable anymore.  The numbers show it, the opinions by experts echo it.  Even if this is not reality, it is perception, and perception is 80% reality.
Read todays article on ZDNet.com.  Ouch!  Just another in a series of articles that seem to be coming out daily now
www . zdnet.C O M / windows-its-over-7000013964   (remove spaces between URL
The article is titled "Windows: It's over".  I don't agree with the assertions because I believe Microsoft will quickly realize their mistake (even if some on here don't) and will reinstate the start button and make the metro side a secondary view that can be fully ignored if not needed.    If they don't Microsoft is going to get hurt very badly and my business will suffer too. 
I hope they don't get stubborn about this.  Give the customer what they want.  You always win that way


ReverendSlim says:

Classic Shell = free, puts the start menu back, brings back common Explorer items like Undo, and lets me boot straight to the desktop if I want.  I respect what Microsoft is trying to do with Windows 8...  but ultimately, it's faster to use the desktop and have multiple programs open on the same screen for what I use it for. 

Spicymikey says:

Yes there are simple work arounds.  But Microsoft is fighting bad press and "the average user" who would not know how to do that.   It's not a problem for you or me, but it's a problem for the masses.
Again, it's just a fact.  People can call me (and those who agree) "idiots" and "umber programmers", etc.  but they are just being fools themselves who refuse to acknowledge that there are alternative opinions on the subject.  Which is the right opinion?  The one that makes you the most money.  If Blue does not somehow address the productivity issues with Win8 on a desktop then the Board of Directors for Microsoft needs to fire Balmer and everyone else he takes advice from.

petersun21 says:

Non metro applications should work in the desktop mode and metro should work in metro mode. start button is nice

Spicymikey says:

I agree.  Start8 makes that happen.  Very nice.  I use it all the time.  Now I can run the Win8 messenger from the Metro side in a window on my desktop.  Eliminates the need to keep flipping back and forth.  We use Messenger in-house to communicate with each other desk-to-desk.  Before Start8 added that ability in March, we were doing a lot of flipping back and forth.  Skype is an option now, but they have a desktop version and a Metro version that don't really play nice together on the same pc from what we've discovered. 
I could go on and on with productivity issues for us business users.  Its not only the start button.  It's all basically a train wreck like Vista was.  MS just came out with this as a half baked solution to stop the bleeding and seems to have made it worse.    

I'm curious. What kind of "productivity issues" are there with Windows 8 that make it a Vista like train wreck...aside from the lack of a start button?

Spicymikey says:

Nope.  Not going there.  Tried that and it didnt work.  We'll go back and forth for 20 iterations and in the end you'll call me (and others who agree with me) an idiot or stupid or lazy or too old to handle change, etc.  Waste of time.  Just read the headlines and realize we all can't be wrong

Its not my style to disparage one's opinion simply because it differs from my own. It's also not my style to take at face value what the experts say (whomever they might be) You claim that you "could go on and on with productivity issues" but you don't. I haven't read any "headlines " to that effect. Post a link here and I promise to read it.

Spicymikey says:

Why do you need me to research it for you?  You've read the arguments.  Over and over again the verdict is not a thumbs up for business.  Do a Bing on "Windows 8 Usability for business Users".  Just start reading. 
If we start from a premise that the Metro UI is NOT good for a desktop user holding a mouse and keyboard, then ANYTHING that forces the user to go over there is a negative. 
There is little if any business software written for that UI. 
The new way of searching for your apps is great for a tablet without a mouse, but on the desktop its an answer to a question no one ever asked.
They abandoned Microsoft Messenger and the Essentials Pack for Windows 8.  That means if you want to use the Messenger you really need to use the integrated Messenger for WIn8.  That's fine except its on the Metro side.  So you have to switch over there, open the message app, type your message, and then flip back to the desktop.  Even if you save a link on the desktop side of the world, it still throws you over there.
As several articles have suggested (including one by a design expert who has a PHD in such matters), this constant flipping between worlds is disruptive and completely unnecessary.  I agree, i find myself doing things that involve extra keystrokes and motion that is nothing other than wasteful.  Time is money and if you are a person who spends 6 hours a day on the PC doing your job, any extra effort to get the same job done is not going to make you happy.
Bottom line for many, the dual environment world a desktop business user is forced to live in is a step backwards.  It did not help them one bit.  

And what would I find? That the "numbers show it and the experts echo it"? I hear and read about nebulous accounts concerning loss in productivity and must take you on your word for that as the computers I use at work are little more than dumb terminals running ancient XP. At home I use PhotoShop extensively...perhaps on the level of a professional but it's a hobby, not a vocation. That program is a click away on a tile that takes me to the desktop. From there I can open files, snap and minimize windows to my heart's content. A start "button" will not speed up that process one iota. I would suppose that there are some failings about Win8 that impact your business and, while I'm no closer to understanding what that might be, if the option to boot to the desktop cures those ills, I wish you well.

Spicymikey says:

Thanks. Same to you. Now when MS has that attitude and embraces both worlds again, everyone can be happy and everyone wins.

Spicymikey says:

Also, lets not forget, for those of us who used early beta's of Win8, the Start button was still there.  it was only removed late in the beta based on someone's brilliant idea.  All the plumbing is still there under the hood.  That's why it's so easy for someone to write an app to bring it back.  Since Microsoft left it all there in place, I will take that as a sign they were hedging their bets.  Since it doesn't seem to have paid off, I am predicting (hoping) they return it in an official hotfix, SP, or Blue.

abiddine says:

I was under the impression that Microsoft tried to remove the code. Even if they did, there is nothing stopping a third party developer to write their own start menu.

Calling people "stupid" or "lazy" for preferring to use desktop mode of Win8 isn't exactly going to draw people to the system in droves.  People have a preference, and as of right now, Win8 does not easily allow people to meet that preference.  And the less people Win8 sells to, the less likely Microsoft will keep it in its current state.  Sales of Win8, apparently, haven't been stellar by most accounts.  If Microsoft has to include options so people that prefer the Win7 style are pleased with Win8, what exactly is the problem?  Calling them "stupid" or "lazy" as if the system having options to function more like Win7 somehow ruins your experience makes you look like a giant douche.  Seriously, don't be a douche.

AskaLangly says:

I have Stardock's Start8. Good to see an official way to bring up a Start Menu again, but I am okay with using third-party software that I paid for.