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Windows Phone YouTube app removed from the Store as Microsoft, Google come to terms

Changes continue to impact the Windows Phone Youtube app at a fast pace. First came the official Youtube app recieved a major overhaul, then Google complained that the app violated YouTube's API and Terms of Service, then Microsoft updated the app to comply with some of Google's requests.

The latest chapter in this saga has the Youtube app being pulled from the Windows Phone Store and news of a collaboration between Microsoft and Google for a solution.

According to YouTube communications manager Matt McLernon,

"Microsoft and YouTube are working together to update the new YouTube for Windows Phone app to enable compliance with YouTube's API terms of service, including enabling ads, in the coming weeks."

Part of the arrangement has the current YouTube app being pulled and replaced with the previous version of the app until a "compliant" version is developed.  As far as the when is concerned on the release of a new version of the app, Microsoft wouldn't expand beyond "in coming weeks".

Source: The Register; Thanks, everyone, for the tips!

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Windows Phone YouTube app removed from the Store as Microsoft, Google come to terms

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Microsoft holds patents on SMS. You cannot do SMS in a phone with out paying Microsoft. Google passes the buck on this and lets the phone makers pay for the licensing on this. If microsoft wants to be mean and really stick it to Google then they only have to not renew the licensing deals with every phone maker out there. Right now only Apple and Motorola do not pay. Apple does not pay due to a cross licensing deal the made with Microsoft a long time ago. Motorola Mobility does not pay and is in violation of Microsofts patents. Microsoft has dragged them into court several times and Motorola has lost. I believe there is a standing injunction in Germany right now that bans the sale of Motorola Android phones. Microsoft also holds patents relating software keyboards...
 
I say turn off SMS and software keyboards for every android phone and watch the world grind to a halt.  

If Microsoft really wanted to bend Google over, they'd put a built-in ad blocker in the next version of IE, and prompt users to turn it on in the setup wizard. Take a massive bite out of Google's revenue. It would also be the end of the (free) Internet, but hey... ;)

Microsoft would most likely end up being order by a court that thy have to licence out the SMS patents. It's what happens everytime a company tries to hold out licencing a technology that is considered required. Just look at the recent motorolla/microsoft disputes.

Possibly in Europe if it is a FRAND patent. In the US, there's nothing stopping Microsoft from withholding the use of their patents. Microsoft doesn't really seem as concerned about growing market share as they do about growing profits (after all, they are a public company). That being said, I think they'd rather have every Android OEM paying their fair share and just let Windows Phone languish in <10% market share unless the market chooses to being adopting it more rapidly.

I agree but Microsoft actually cares about customers on all platforms not how many customers are on that platform 

Microsoft should block google search on its Windows PCs, block you tube, block Gmail email, block chrome, etc. Say Google does not play nice with Windows Phone, we deserve the right to block your sh*t. :p

How I like the sound of that venom5150. Leave google chrome but Block google's chrome "Google now" API should make them bleed out just right.

Yeah, the only problem is that users that have been on Gmail far longer than Windows Phones will be screwed.

It wouldn't be fair to those users.

It's plain childish to do so and it would be on par with what google wants, which is exactly blocking services to those who own WP and would benefit google only.
It's obvious that many users want to continue using Gmail and for WP to defy Google's attempt to shut down that link will send out the massage to google that they need to play fair with their Gmail users.

Google hates WP because MS will not allow their users to be spied upon through email ad targeting.

micro soft should remove skype from bugdroids and say "we are currenty having some server problem of the resaon we cant provide skype access to current android user sorrey for inconviniency please try again later"
this yould keep google silence after all people cant live a second without skype. OR else talking about add MS should flood skype free user with and give excuse its just for money... 

Don't update to that. It'll be worse. I expect MSFT to keep the UI looking awesome, but functionality is going to take a huge hit a la Google.

I don't understand what you mean by that, I've only experienced that when I go to YouTube from my phone's browser but not from the app itself.

when I use the app to look up the same video, it shows up and plays as it should.

Now I'm wondering if it could be an issue with the app the way the app works on your phone.

what device are you using?

Its because they don't show up in your results on metrotube.. You only see what's available on mobile.. I still prefer the interface and use it.

ok, that makes sense. But I swear I can find the same vids on both and still be able to play them. IDK, I could be mistaken.

That's funny..it will drive me crazy to see that 1 update there. I don't use the app anyway. Mytube and metrotube are perfectly fine.

Will drive me crazy to see "2" there. I have a stuck update for MetroTalk that refuses to install. It would be nice to have the option of actually cancelling the download and having the stupid notification go away.

Click buy, it should think for a bit and then say "you already own this" then allow you to Install. Or perhaps try reinstalling from reinstaller (if it still works), or windowsphone.com

I got metro tube when it was free, when i reinstalled it i had to pay. Obviously an error but didn't care this time as it is worth the 79p.

I was able to download paid games which were free before, with a tip similar with schlubadub's tip.

Funny how a lot of us are saying quit google services but nobody says screw YouTube, MSFT forget abt it.
Although I hate google for this, I don't think a lot of us can just stop using their services.

Youtube and main google browser on laptop and desktop are the only google services i use. I'm finding that nokia and microsoft, because they're not wedded to advertising and targeting adds, they provide much better services with things like maps because they don't do things to force you to stay on the internet.

Shoot, couldn't download the app because I was visiting family in Europe. Now the day before I get back they take down the app. Grr

It was available in Europe. Downloaded it from France and more recently from Sweden. Where were you?

I don't know where "here" is. When in Europe I could not download apps over WiFi because my carrier did not have coverage there as they are a U.S. Company. So for tamas305 he probably could not download the app while he was in Europe.

Are you sure? I didn't experienced any problems with installing apps or updating them two weeks ago when I went to another country.
Where do have this information from?

First time I hear about that as well. I think this may be due to devices bought at a restrictive carrier.

I just got back from a vacation too and I could download just fine. You don't need a carrier connection for that. I still download/install apps on my old focus that doesn't have a SIM card in it.

Google does not suck. Not at all, they're a corporation just like Microsoft, they want money and things to go their way.

Exactly why they're sore losers. They want it their way -- at the expense of a massive consumer base.

And keep in mind that google always presented themselves as "do no evil". It's times like this that we see that they believe in do no evil unless there is a profit to be made. I never trusted google. It always irritated me how they make a huge profit just by tracking what I do in the internet.

I thought something weird was up. I went to a Verizon store (with my Lumia 920 in tow...sold my first 928 today, and I'm really proud) and when I tried to show a customer the youtube app on the 928 it wasn't there in the WP store. So I showed them MetroTube and myTube (and the YouTube app) on my phone. It all makes sense now.

Check the previous article on YouTube which was published few days ago when MSFT released an update that disabled downloads. Somebody in the comments section provided a link to the xap that had the download feature.

I somehow doubt the xap will help, particularly with that version of the app removed from the marketplace. The xap is mainly to just bypass downloading over the device, but still checks the marketplace to ensure the xap is valid and matching what's for download.

I really hate Google, and this whole saga doesn't help with that. One could argue that MS played dirty here, but in the end what they did is resulting in something good for mutual customers of both parties. Something that Google could learn to do.

This is a good thing. Hopefully setting up a framework for the 2 companies to work together on bringing more google services to windows phone.

After all this you still want more google services? This is exactly why they pull the crap they do, there is nothing that google produces people can't do without if they wanted to

Good thing? I'm skeptical. Google has been dragging their feet and stalling MS at every opportunity. They may have said, "Okay, we'll talk if you remove the app" and will proceed to EXTREMELY SLOWLY iron out a deal that wouldn't materialize until next year.

Or they could wait several months and say, "Nah, we don't accept the terms, go away. We're suing the moment you put back up an app without ads. No API for you!"

Well what exactly Google could sue them over is debatable. Just cause a company sends a C&D doesn't mean there is any legality to it. No, MS took down the YouTube app because they believe (finally) that Google is willing to work with them on it, not cause they were worried about a supposed lawsuit.
This was obviously the plan all along.
As for why i would want other Google services after all this, well i live in the real world. A lot of people use a wide range of Google services, and the more of those services on WP, the easier it will be to convince others to switch. It's good for the platform.
 

Reports from Tom Warren say this is going to suck now. Its going to be basically a webapp. IF thats true, screw google. I for one, find the app as is to be excellent. Its evey way better than t he app i have on Android.

Yes, this is the part that I wanted to clarify and read since Tom's article was updated.  So, the old app is going be put back in the store, and the new version is not going to be as robust as the one being pulled from the store.  If so, then it looks as though perhaps this isn't quite the victory that some users were hoping for.

We don't know that. They said they were collaborating so perhaps google will offer exclusive apis to fit Microsoft vision for the app and meet their part

Its really too bad MS didnt buy YouTube.  Google getting YouTube was the worst thing that couldve happened.

Maybe. But MS puts its content out there for all other platforms, even Android.  Google seems to bend over backward to screw MS over.

MS tends to restrict their content, services and products to very little regions, while Google delivers worldwide.
Oh, an MS very often cares more about other platforms than Windows Phone. They are really not that much better than Google in this regard.

I'd love to see this happen, but in the end, MS cares about their customers, even on different platforms. And Google suck dick.

Good idea, but it won't happen. Microsoft gets revenue from Skype on Android. Google currently is NOT getting revenue from YouTube on Windows Phone.

Google isn't getting YouTube revenue on Windows Phone because they chose not to get revenue on Windows Phone. MS could do the same with Skype and Android.

Yes, MS *could* choose to do that... but revenue from Skype on Android is likely a LOT higher than revenue from YouTube on WP would be.  There are many, many more Android devices (unfortunately).

More than likely it's: MS *could* choose to do that, but they're not dipsh!ts, like Google, who don't provide app support to users while simultaneously saying those users are worth money.

I'll be happy if the new app is as good but incase its not i would have loved Microsoft fighting this. Would've loved Microsoft to be stubborn and not pull it down, even if google blocked access for the app somehow. To die fighting than compromise :)

They would lose the high ground, and the legal argument if they did that.

All this time MS has been able to that they tried and its google who are refusing, now google have agreed to it, MS has to comply.

Its still a win though, and while the first itteration may be poor, future ones wont be. It will get better and better.

yes it is. I don't get why people are so excited about this youtube app. metro tube has been out for a while and it's freaking awesome. is there something out there I don't get???

Its two things, the principle of it is the most important thing. Google wont allow it because they are trying to discourage competition and damage windows phone. That alone means its worth the column inches.

Secondly its the whole "officialness" of it. MS cant advertise they have a youtube client. Because technically they don't, they have illegal pieceses of software that were made by a third party to wantonly dismiss googles terms of use. As awesome as they may be, they arnt something MS can advertise

Yeah I don't get it, its crazy how other apps are way better then the official ones, in this case metrotube.

Yea, click a YouTube link and it doesn't open in MetroTube. I could care less about the official YouTube app if you could set which app you want to default for YouTube links.

Fuck! If this is true this sucks!: the verge reports that part of the agreement is that Microsoft will have to use the ifile API which means that app will be no better than the web browser!

If that's the case, FVCK Google. They keep pissing me off even more. It better be an ACTUAL App. Otherwise this is all for nothing because we are right back to square one.

Nope. This is a win. The best version of the YouTube app wasn't as good as MetroTube or MyTube is now. Get those if you want a solid app. This was about WP fighting to stop the cold shoulders. Hopefully this means Google shows a little more cooperation and practices what Larry Page preaches. Same to be expected from MS.

This is kind of a win. Those Android fanboys are stubborn folk. I showed my friend this article to show how the story was unfolding and he says "well duh, what did Microsoft think? They could just skirt around the terms and conditions? What were they expecting? They are just a huge company trying to workaround the rules". I almost slapped him because obviously he doesn't get the Catch 22 Google threw MS into with this application. But then I thought..."you're unreachable" and sipped my beer in silence.

Except The Verge knows as much as we do at the moment. We don't know if this will use the ifile API or if it will be an updated version of the app that was taken down.

Who do google think they are? They think they're above paying taxes and now this!! I protest by cancelling my gmail account.

You have two options. 1) update the app and 2) uninstall the app. Otherwise, get used to that pretty little "1" notification and individually updating all of your other apps.

Well fuck Google. Use Vimeo instead. Google buys up talented devs and services, before destroying them.

Yep still not updating from my current version. I just never will hit "Update All" again on my store section.

Maybe I've been living under a rock for the past few years, but since when did Google turn into such detestable loathsome scum?

I have the original YouTube app with downloads enabled, and its staying that way. I hate google now :/

the only thing that will be better of having the official app is if MS updates the OS to open every Youtube video on their app. currently there is no default Youtube player, so if you click any link for a youtube video it will just open on the m.youtube wesite,  thats one thing android is better as you can set default apps.

Fine, an official google/Microsoft collabo will be a good thing. Until then, my YouTube app by Microsoft is still working and hopefully will remain operational until the new app comes out.

Well...I wouldn't even bother if I were Microsoft. Google will do anything to provide a f*cking sh*tty WP App and Microsoft, apparently, will not have the balls to say no.
We'll have, again, a terrible official YouTube App to make everyone waste their time. I'll stick to MetroTube, thanks.

Apparently Daniel spoke too soo about Microsoft's "starting to throw their weight around and even take a few legal challenges on the chin in order to gain marketplace traction."

 

Agree.  Sounds like the app will be like the original only WITH ads.  Doesn't sound a great experience.  I wonder if the iOS or Android versions have ads?  If not, then WP users are definitely being penalized.
 
Sounds like 3rd party YouTube apps will be the best bet.

Why don't we wait and see, maybe Google & Microsoft will work together and produce a good app in "the coming weeks" as suggested. I think Microsoft has invested too much into this particular issue to let it return to a mobile web link.

I commend your faith in the kindness of corporations such as Google. Naïve but admirable.

Even better would be for Microsoft to create an iframe for the web based version of Office on Android!!!

Well, unforfunately I am getting my phone replaced because there is a red and a blue line going across the screen that can't be removed.So, I guess it will be metrotube for me.

Cheers for MetroTube and our developers for backing the platform.

Dear Microsoft, DO NOT LET GOOGLE DOWNGRADE THE OFFICIAL APP!!!!!

Check out TubePro too. It is as good as Metrotube, plus you can transfer your downloaded file to your computer too.

I really don't understand why this is important. Who the heck cares about the Microsoft Youtube app when MetroTube blows it out of the water completely!

I prefer Microsoft's YouTube app over metrotube, and since I already have the app, I'll continue to use until they work it out and then I'll see which is best.

Google is a petaQ! They will never be able to beat Microsoft with Chrome OS. It's just ego and ignorance!

Well done, if my brothers Android tab was mine, i would have done the same!

I love my Surface RT!

Greetzz.

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