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Xbox Music and Video apps for Windows Phone 8 hands on

This morning, Microsoft continued to surprise us with two new releases for Windows Phone 8. Xbox Music and Xbox Video apps were released in tandem, augmenting current baked-in functions of their mobile OS.

The Xbox Music app is currently in ‘Preview’, meaning a final version won’t be due until 2014. Likewise, Xbox Video currently doesn’t support HD video playback or downloading, but a Microsoft spokesperson has confirmed that feature is coming next year.

How are the apps? Watch our video tour below to see them in action.

So why separate the apps in the first place? Well for one, Microsoft did not have any method by which Xbox Video users could purchase, rent or download content from their Windows 8 PC, Xbox 360 or Xbox One. With this Xbox Video app, Windows Phone 8 users finally have a way to complete the “three screens and a cloud” vision that Microsoft laid out years ago.


Downloading and offline availability

In regards to Xbox Music, it’s been reported that Microsoft is planning on removing the native clients from the Windows Phone 8.1 update, due in late spring 2014, and instead they will be using Store apps. The reason for that is it will allow Microsoft to frequently update the app directly to reflect changes or improvements in the service. That’s opposed to having to wait months for an OS update.

Both apps work quite well, although we are having a few license errors with our Video app. Xbox Music, interestingly, allows users to dynamically swap out managed Xbox Music devices. Currently, Xbox Music only allows streaming and downloading of content to 4 devices, with the ability to drop two every 30 days. With the Xbox Music app, one device will be rotated out and a new one rotated in when in use, giving more freedom to use Xbox Music on PCs, Xbox or Windows Phone.

Probably the biggest addition to Xbox Music is the ability to create playlists and then have them sync to your account to other devices. Likewise for Radio. Currently, there is no Podcast support and it is not clear if it is coming back.

Presently, both Xbox Music and Xbox Video are available in the following regions: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, United Kingdom and United States.

Don’t have Xbox Music or Xbox Video just yet? Grab Xbox Music here and Xbox Video here in the Store. Note: Xbox Music Pass needed to for Xbox Music app to function.

What do you think of both apps so far? Sound off in comments and let us know your experience!

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tribexx says:

No Podcasts? Fail.

HD on Zune was 720p. Is this now 1080p?

Agree!

There's no audio book support and now remove podcast support (which doesnt work in europe). Very very very bad. Hope this is not true.

bmsrunner says:

I agree.  Podcasts have been an afterthought with Windows Phone since the beginning.  I'd like to think their omission from this app is because Microsoft is preparing a separate Xbox Podcasts app, but I'm doubtful.  I think they probably are happy to leave podcast support to third-party developers.  Is there no one on the Windows Phone team who is passionate about audiobooks and podcasts?

There is podcast section in the Windows Phone Music+Videos app...

biggest fail is requiring an xbox music pass subscription.

iyae says:

Biggest fail, having to sign in even though im using a windows phone which im already signed in on...oh and buy a subscription you cheapskate

oh, so i should be forced to buy a music subscription when i already have all the music i want to listen to stored? what would i be spending my money for?

hack14u says:

Exactly. I bought a Surface and was blown away when all my music appeared and I could play it anywhere. I went out and got a 920 so I could do the same in my car, and lo and behold, nothing. I am quite disappointed to say the least. You can't provide a service for free on some devices and charge on others, it makes no sense.

briguy266 says:

You can use the built in Xbox Music+Videos app on the device, that's what it is there for. These a preview versions, they aren't meant to fully replace the old app yet.

avigyan says:

Several folks would not mind buying a subscription only if MS was generous enough to extend its reach to those countries. Else there is no point in making an app half-heartedly where only a bunch of people can use it while others can't.

wtrmlnjuc says:

What if I want to listen to my local collection?

GDannyboy says:

I think that they may be doing it this way so that families can share one XBOX music pass. You can have up to four devices, I believe.

fdruid says:

It doesn't make sense that this app requires a paid subscription, I only want to listen to my mp3s, which are copied into the device! Do I have to pay to access my own files??? I hope this gets fixed, or it will be a big fail and we'll be forced to use third party clients to listen to our music.

TonyDedrick says:

Have to agree. I have no interest in the music pass. I do have an interest on a music player that allows me to manage my music stored on the phone. This clearly doesn't and the native one still doesn't either. Huge disappointment.

tonbonz says:

Agreed. Didn't need it for the Windows 8.1 app. WTF MS? How is this tying the two together if required for 1 but not the other? MS is like being a Dallas Cowboys fan; I wanna root for 'em but always left disappointed. *sigh*

baandoptager says:

Biggest fail is not supporting artwork for music on the device.

Hopefully Podcast support is coming. 
 

TechnoTim says:

Daniel, I hope you paid your taxes. :-)

Clavitox says:

Its very buggy for me

yep, crashes every 5 minutes for me using on a 1520

R0bR says:

Yes! Finally downloads from the Music Store to your phone through this app syncs to your other devices too! No more double downloads.

Love it? I called off selling my iPod Touch because of how confusing/limited this damn thing was. 

Nimdock says:

You know what I miss? Being able to watch music videos. (Unless they are still there and I am just missing them). I don't necessarily mean on the phone. I can do it on the 360 but I don't see the option on the Xbox One.

 

I do like the idea of them being separate apps for update purposes.

wtf808 says:

Yea, what ever happened with music videos?

RaRa85 says:

Have you tried VEVO?

Is there any way to share your music pass with your spouse or something like that?

Let them login in under your account and make sure it's one of the 4 devices managed/licensed by Xbox Music?

R0bR says:

That's not really a solution, my wife doesn't want to listen to the music in my collection. MS needs to allow either profiles or a family plan.

bionicjive says:

Hey I remember u saying u have the 1520. I have the 1520 as well. I can download video content to my phone from the app I can also watch HD content as well. Are u able to replicate this experience on your phone as well. I have screen shots as proof if u would like

locokip says:

With the original, baked-in Xbox Music, you could not log into the app with a separate MS ID than you use for the phone. It was different in WP7. So, maybe with it being as app now, you can let that other device be a Windows Phone for a different MS ID user. Haven't tried yet but will let you know.

Loxias says:

Yep, verified this with my wife's phone earlier. Didn't get to finish playing with it because she got a call, but it was updating the library after I logged in.

Neato. Not sure if that will carry into WP8.1 though. Hopefully it will.

It really should, as ios and android users have the ability to do this since the music app was released.

saket87 says:

Only one device can stream at a time though

Really? Ohhh that's a bummer.

J88NY R says:

Surely its 4 devices?

Loxias says:

Nope, only one stream at a time.

locokip says:

That would be fantastic if you can use a different WP for a different user under a different Music pass subscriber login. Now if only I could use my Music credits through the app :/

you can already this with this existing app.

JPDVM2014 says:

This is terrific! Hopefully it stays when the 8.1 upgrade happens. I see no good reason why my wife's 1020 shouldn't be allowed to use one of my Music Pass devices.

Drewidian says:

Personally, I loved the hub. Being able to have all of my playlists, new media, and history in one spot was one of the major differentiators for me between Windows Phone and the other platforms.  Hopefully they will have some method of aggregating that data so I don't have to "App Hop" the way the other platforms do.

L2nak says:

Cheers to that mate. I get the 'seperate from OS' to get updates mentality and it makes sense. But one reason I chose Windows Phone back in 2010 was because the Hub idea seemed really cool. People Hub, Pictures Hub, Music+Videos Hub were/are awesome ideas and are much better than app hopping IMO. I'm certainly glad to learn that they're gonna flesh out the People Hub cause that's in dire need of an update but this new information regarding this media hub is kind of upsetting. At least as upsetting as I'll let some tech news allow.

NIST says:

Why can't they just re-release Music+Video as an app? If they simply wanted to separate it from the OS.

MikeSo says:

That's what I thought they would do. I too like the "hub" idea for media. Seems like they shouldn't have to abandon that just to separate it from the OS IMO.

theefman says:

That is how Microsoft operates, release a service that people get used to then abandon it later for a similar but lesser service instead of improving on the previous one. Zune > Xbox music springs to mind....

iZangetsu says:

I agree that is how Microsoft does things, but I sincerely believe that it's because of people's bitching.
-_-

Agree. Ther should be MORE hub not less. I donät want to have whatsapp, skype, voxer and viber on my start screen. If you can chat with an app it should be in the messenger hub and so on. More hubs!

th3h0ff says:

Ala Blackberry 10???

wtrmlnjuc says:

Exactly like that, and BB10 beat them to the punch, and many other punches.

Sean D. says:

I want more "hubs" and integrated services. But (I think) the problem is the mobile culture now-a-days is simply broken. People have fallen into the ios app trap so deep they don't know how to pull their minds out of it.
IT SEEMS LIKE they aren't content with simply being able to DO stuff. If they don't have to scroll, scroll, scroll, tap, *wait for the load/splash screen* then do, they dont feel like they are accomplishing anything.

Sean D. says:

Chances are they changed it because of all the mindless crybaby BS that people insist on spewing. Can't just accept that something different might be better... it has to be JUST LIKE the other's or it's not "good".

 

Sean D. says:

If they trully abandon it, I'm willing to bet it will be to cater to all the "file manager" crap.

Zulfigar says:

Honestly, due to space really, I don't put videos on my 920 (maybe if I had an SD card, it'd be different), but I do have music. So seperating them may not be *too* terrible, at least for people in my shoes, and we still have the hubs; People Hug, Pictures Hub, Music Hub and Video Hub - but I do agree that Zune's still the best thing around haha. :P

Plazma1 says:

Agreed - althought a podcast an audiobook app isn't present. I can easily go into the music hub history and resume my audiobook or playlist because everything is integrated. I hope we don't lose out on this either!

fdruid says:

+1, the hub is better.

taturo says:

I agree. Personally I think both Xbox Music and Video apps look HORRIBLE. I don't know why they have to remember me that I'm on Xbox music or xbox video with those BIG APP NAMES on top, getting HALF the screen with letters instead of GRAPHICS....... I really hope that with NOKIA's aquisition they use MIXRADIO (the late Nokia Music) instead of MSFT's own. Nokia's is much NICER, beautiful app in my opinion.

Mister Gore says:

I let my Xbox Music pass lapse so I need to get on that before I can start using it. Hopefully the need for the pass will be removed for those who want to try the app but don't have the pass.

Rem97 says:

I don't have a music pass anymore but I can still use it for local playback.

Really? It tells me I need a new pass and won't let me play my local files.

Rem97 says:

After signing in, when the message pops up saying "get music pass" & "cancel" don't press cancel press back. Then it lets you play local files or at least for me anyway.

True words! It signs in every time I open the app so as long as I press back I can use it. Still, since I don't have the pass it doesn't have my playlists so it's of little use right now until they open up the app to non-pass subscribers. Hopefully by wp8.1 xbox music on w8 will offline sync my playlists to xbox music on wp8.

drg says:

I think you found a bug ;)

Xbox Music is present in more countries than that you list, I think those are about Xbox Video.

On a somewhat side note; I have free pilot episodes that a downloaded on my Xbox to try a show out before getting into it. After watching, decided the shows weren't for me. Problem is, these damn pilots show up on all my devices and I cant find a way to permently remove them. Anyone know how to do this?

sym1a1a says:

In the app you can select the show tap on three dots for settings and delete from collection, this will remove said program completely across the platform, you can also do this on the xbox360 as well

fobarina says:

I was having the same problem and tried that. Got rid of it on my 360 but then showed up when I got the one and now showing in wp8 app. Trying your suggestion from the phone. Hope it works

TheZuneLune says:

I don't see the three dots on the WP8 app.

sym1a1a says:

Select the show/movie and at the bottom of the page ( right hand side) you 'll see the three dots to open the settings pane with the option to delete the show, when you select yes it will tell you that this will delete selection across all platforms, confirm delete

sym1a1a says:

I don't have the XboxOne ( YET LOL ) so I'm not sure what to tell you, if you still have Zune on your computer you can delete it from their as well, if you don't have Zune try logging in on the Xbox Video Web page and delete from their

TheZuneLune says:

Yeah, I don't get dots when I tap on a show series/episode. I only get an option to purchase in SD. The only place I get three dots is the mains creen of the collection. I did delete from Zune but the episode still shows up. I dont want to have scroll through every episode....they ahve to come up with a better way to manage your collection....or even one way, right now there really is not.

sym1a1a says:

Ok, I tried to replicate what you described, the only way I could replicate this was to click on a series that I don't already own, are you sure that 1- you HAVE signed into your Xbox live account? 2- you are looking at YOUR tv/movies that you own already, also when you try to delete using Zune you have to make sure you select "delete from collection" rather than delete from Zune. Other than that, I'm not sure what else to tell you, I currently own 132 movies and 5 tv series on my Xbox account, and like I said, the only way I can replicate your description is to click on something I don't own

TheZuneLune says:

OK, thanks for your help - better than I would get through most technical support. I found that in a couple series, I had to go through every season and deleted each episode purchasesd For some, it is odd - no seasons or epsiodes showing purchased, so I cannot delete. For others, that were short only a pilot or a few episodes, ntohgint to delete either. I might have to re-downlaod them to Zune and choose delete from Collection. Obviously - there is a lot of room for improvement for Xbox video but at least glad to see it on the phone. thanks, again for your help.

nesl247 says:

The no podcast functionality kinda sucks, as I was just getting into listening to Windows Weekly on my phone.

JPDVM2014 says:

Yea, this is disappointing. Hopefully they will add it in at a later date. Taking out built-in podcast support is a step in the wrong direction.

dazorange says:

Completely wrong direction. For me it might be the final straw. I love WP and have been it's proponent for a long time now but don't you dare take away my podcasts Microsoft. I listen to a massive amount of them and I love the fact that I can set the subscriptions and never have to worry about them again. It is probably what I use the phone most for. If it is taken away from me I would be very upset and honestly I might have to consider my alternatives for my next upgrade.

I know this sounds dramatic. But yes, it's that important to me.

J4rrod says:

You can download in Xbox Video. At least the option is there, haven't personally tried to see if it works.

Not sure where it was said otherwise? There's just no HD streaming or downloading.

saket87 says:

There was a button that said HD in mine, not all of them have though.

Right. You can buy and rent in HD. But playback is not there for Windows Phone. It  just means you can buy an HD movie and then play it back on your Xbox One or PC in HD.

MethodGT says:

I really hope lack of podcast support is temporary.

Bacchus1976 says:

I agree with making podcasts its own app, they are just too different from music to be shoe horned together, but this worries me that they are dropping 1st party support altogether. Not ideal, things like background downloading, cloud sync across devices and media controls tend to require deep integration.

infinihertz says:

I'm bummed that neither app appears to let me play music or video I own outside of the Xbox Store. I like the idea of separate apps with faster updates, and the Music app is a preview that may do more in the future, but the Video app isn't labeled a "preview." I love ripping my DVDs/Blu-rays and loading them on my Lumia for long trips, but only the Hub seems able to play them still. The Windows 8/8.1 Xbox apps can play local content, so I really hope this is temporary.

Judge_Daniel says:

They are nothing to write home about. The biggest feature between the two is that you can now make playlists on your phone. However, I'm still disappointed that it took them this long to get that out. I'm still not sure why the apps need to be separated from the OS. I mean, if MSFT is going to be pushing out OS updates more frequently, anyway, why not just push out big updates for the apps then? It'd sure make these small updates seem more substantial.

Edit: Oh, and I actually laughed when I read that podcasts have been taken out (again). It is like MSFT has a grudge against them, haha.

Micah Dawson says:

The point being is that they are separate now meaning they are not directly attached to the os. So if there is a delay for windows phone it wouldn't necessarily hold up development for these apps which can be updated independently of the os.

At least that is how i view it.

allos autos says:

That, and OS updates are at the mercy of carriers to push out, whereas app updates are not (which may be what you meant, in which case I'm clarifying).

Chris_Kez says:

Except that MS just showed us with GDR3 that they can bypass carriers. I'd have preferred they maintain the hub, or break it into a Music hub and a Video hub, and expand both of them to support more apps. Just as the people hub incorporates FB and Twitter, give me a Video hub with Xbox, Netflix and Hulu.

Centauri says:

Is there gapless audio support yet?

thegooner says:

Lotta people would have said since the move from Zune, to Xbox Music, the whole thing has been hapless :P

MikeSo says:

Definitely hapless!

Sam Not Spam says:

Good to see. It also seems to go nicely with them having an overall, OS-agnostic platform. Next question is, "will there be iOS and Android versions?" I love my WP, but for the health of the overall platforms/services? They need to spread out. People having their media/music tied to cross platform services will make it easier to leave one for another, I think (hopefully to WP's benefit).

GMJeff says:

I thought there was a story on here a while back that iOS and Android would get them, but that Windows Phone would see them first.

Sam Not Spam says:

Awesome! Fine by me!

MikeSo says:

At least for iOS, there is already an Xbox Music client. I assume android has it too.

trickym81 says:

Android has one as well. However, you can't download songs for offline play on iOS or Android. I hope they fix that soon.

eeewing says:

Xbox Music for iOS came out in October; the Android version came out 1 month later. WP is actually the last of trio to get the fully-functioning app (meaning: playlilst editing/cloud sync/etc.)

Siah1214 says:

The only thing we've been missing is playlist editting.  We've had cloud sync and it's worked fine. 

MikeSo says:

Xbox Music not having podcast support is a big problem. Also, it's buggy as hell, at least on my Lumia 521. The new Facebook sharing of songs is great though. I hope they work out the bugs before it comes out for real.

blasher4 says:

So you're telling me I have to pay for this shit? I have to PAY to listen to my own music on my own phone? If so...HELL no!

kinaton says:

Yep and your surprised how?

@blasher4 Not really. You DO still have your Music Hub on the phone for your music. This app, for now, needs to login. Later, when WP8.1 comes out, my guess is you will *optionally* sign in for Music Pass and the app will work as the Music Hub does now.

This is a preview release and nothing has been lost (when combined with the current Hub).

12Danny123 says:

Its likely temperorary. I'm pretty sure MS isn't that dumb. 

AlanTeew says:

I'm really disappointed that the explicit content blocking doesn't seem to work.

kinaton says:

Ill stick to Nokia music, half the price

RHoudek says:

I still like Windows Phone in general, however the thing that originally drew me to WP7 and now 8 was my Zune HD.

I miss several features from the old gen and hope they come back. Lack of Podcasts and Live tile are big issues for me. Also, don't like how once i pause the music, i have to go back to the app to play again, instead of just tapping the volume control to pull up the mini music controls. Also, live tile goes completely dead if not actively playing music, lame. Another gripe is that it used to be if i was playing all music in a random order, then went into my collection to play a specific album, it would auto turn off the random and begin playing the album in album order, now it starts the album randomly as well and forces me to manually shut it off and sometimes re-start the album from the begining.

That said, i love the new buzz features and would like them to implement the lyrics and gigs features from nokia music when the acquisition is complete.

Bekkenes says:

Doesnt WP8 have Xbox music by default? :|

Yes. This overlaps about 90% with the native client. It's also the future way MS is going. 

wtrmlnjuc says:

That sucks balls, especially since other apps also integrate into the hub.

CX1 says:

The hub was music and video combined. These are two separate apps.

 

ACtrip says:

I'm not paying more than $36 a year for a music service. I have music unlimited for$1 a month, iTunes radio is only $24, and Pandora $36 with Spotify soon becoming free. M$ can bite me at the $99 mark.

MikeSo says:

You realize that those services are nothing like Xbox Music, I hope?

ACtrip says:

They all play music, nothing complicated. Sony's music unlimited is virtually the same thing and I've had for almost 2 years with a cost of $1 a month on sale.

MikeSo says:

"They all play music"? No, they all play music YOU CAN'T CHOOSE yourself. You can't choose the individual songs or albums to play on any of those cheap plans.

Just because you might have been lucky enough to get it cheap years ago and be grandfathered on such a plan, everyone should base their pricing on that? Sony's equivalent plan right now is $10/month, about what all comparable services are with monthly cost. Your situation, if it's true, is unique.

Bob Walters1 says:

I would love to try them but 8.1 is needed. Will the Lumina 925 get a 8.1 update? (Tmobile)

MikeSo says:

I think you've misunderstood something. These are apps for WP8 that can be downloaded right now. WP8.1 doesn't come out for at least several months.

Reeves says:

Here's the checklist Microsoft needs to consult when making ANY more changes to the music experience on Windows Phone:

STEP 1: Are we removing features in this update?

If so, put them back and move to step 2. If not, move to step 2.

STEP 2: Are you SURE you're not making this less useful than it was before?

If not sure, restore previous useful features and move to step 3. If sure, move to step 3.

STEP 3: Now that THAT is out of the way......

We went from a cool tile that always displayed the last artist played to a tile that only displayed them when music was playing (when you're likely not looking at it!) and was often missing artwork to no working live tile at all.

That's the wrong direction, MS. 

saket87 says:

Haha, and the new apps tile don't work at all.

DJCBS says:

Spring 2014? Daniel, we both know WP8.1 won't come until Summer 2014 =P

neogodless says:

Are you F***ing kidding me? You can't even run the app without a paid subscription. AND they plan on removing the existing app? Which means I can't carry my music around with me on MY phone without paying a F***ing subscription to Microsoft? Dear F***ing god this is awful!

You need to relax. Microsoft has not said that is what they are doing. For now, this app requires you to login. It will work differently when finalized for 8.1. It's a "preview" for the hundredth time.

Honestly, do you really think MS would make you pay them to listen to your own music? You actually think that is in the realm of possibility? That they would do that and not expect negative blowback?  I don't think you seriously expect that to be true.

neogodless says:

I honestly believe it is "within the realm of possibility" because of the limitations they placed on the Xbox One on your ability to access other services without a paid subscription to Xbox Live. In addition, they may not have said this is the final behavior, but currently, the app clearly states "You need an Xbox Music Pass to use this app on your phone. [ sign up ] [ cancel ]" Pressing [ cancel ] closes the app. Was my conclusion a big leap? No.

Currrently, that is exactly what this app does. Now, they have not, yet, removed the original apps. But they could. Which means updating my phone's OS would remove that functionality. (Unless they do change this app.)

Basically, the bottom line is that if no one shows any emotion (anger) over this "preview" being limited to paid subscribers, Microsoft will have no reason to make the final app behave differently.

sonus says:

You've gotta be kidding me.  You can't be that silly, to actually believe that they would require a subscription for playback of local music in the finalized version.

erasure25 says:

But then, why put the limitation in the first place?  Very odd.  But, since I have a free 1-year music pass when I bought my Surface a year ago, I'm going to do the 30-day trial, then replace that with my 1-year pass.

neogodless says:

It literally says on the app page "This app requires an Xbox Music Pass. Sign up at music.xbox.com." I'm silly? There is no reason to require the Xbox Music Pass on the "non-final" version if they are not requiring it later. The funny thing is that it IS silly that they are requiring it. I don't blame you for not believing it. But it's happening, unless they reverse course at a later date, in the same vein as how they changed all those Xbox One policies that were unpopular. (I liked them - some of those game sharing / family features were cool!)

Richard_Indy says:

Daniel, I just checked in the App store in the Xbox Video and Music description sections and nowhere in either does it say this is a preview App. Their version numbers (1.5.....) seem to suggest that they would not be called betas or previews. This may send some people off the deep end and have negative consequences towards WP user numbers.

saket87 says:

It says preview in the about or help section.

@Richard_Indy Microsoft has said it numerous times http://news.xbox.com/2013/12/ent-xbox-video-music-windows-phone

Richard_Indy says:

Daniel, I concede the info about the music app being a preview from the link you just posted. Thanks for that info, having never been to News.xbox.com. I rely on wpcentral for all things MS. Of which I shouldn't, I have learned. I will add the above mentioned site to my info gathering. It does not say that about the Video App. I scoured it twice to make sure before I came back here. Again, Daniel WPCentral is my goto App for reviews and writeups and for what's new in the MS phone world. Thank You

theefman says:

Yep, perfectly possible as the Xbox One shows. Afaik you can't access any music you own on external or network drives so I wouldn't say its impossible.

Blkacesvf41 says:

You can still use it without the Xbox music pass. Just press the back button/arrow when it's asking you for pass login.

neogodless says:

But that is

A) Not what they state. Clearly they state on the interface and on the web site that the Pass is required

B) Probably a bug at best

C) If not a bug, still a clunky and annoying interface (you get prompted every time)

purefire21 says:

And again wp7.8 Zune is still king

mab664 says:

Uh no podcast support... And it may not be coming... I listen to podcasts more than Xbox music. Why would they remove this functionality?

Edwincnelson says:

My music app has crashed 4 times in the last hour so hopefully those snappy updates are coming soon!

MikeSo says:

Yeah, this thing is as stable as a Jenga tower.

GhostITMG says:

Mine crashed twice and completely drained my battery while updating my library.  I mean, drained to the point I thought my phone was briked.  Actually brought it down to 0% charge.

Ya, mine crashed and quit a few times.

eddieDOTexe says:

This is so weird

Richard_Indy says:

Xbox video issue: I found out that downloading a movie added it to Xbox App data and NOT my SD card. Not even the internal storage video folder where i could have deleted it easily. Bad situation for my L1520. Went to delete the movie and it removed it from my collection. Bad situation again. Seems to work fine for streaming them for now but....

theefman says:

And that's the same stupid behavior on Windows, you have to browse to the downloaded file and delete that otherwise there is no way to delete a downloaded movie without removing it from your collection. Don't think I'll be using any of these apps, tbh, just too poorly implemented.

twomill69 says:

9 out of 10 so far.......corrected so much that was wrong and lacking from before. Initially only gripe would be no direct link to audio controls/equaliser currently located within the settings (Nokia Lumia user)
I haven't used the radio as of yet, is it FM only ? If so, why not have internet radio option rather than using a 3rd party app like Tune-in radio ?
I'm lucky enough to have an unlimited data plan and use the Tune-in app often whilst travelling around the country for my job.

JaiMento says:

The radio feature is not FM. It's streaming custom internet radio stations you create based on an Artist of your choosing (like Pandora).

ViperX720 says:

Well, I just bought a copy of the HD version of Major Payne and it allowed me to start watching it on my Lumia 1520, it hasn't finished downloading yet but it streamed fine.

eortizr says:

You can buy the HD version, but It will only stream the SD version.  If you can't tell SD from HD you are not allowed to have a Lumia 1520

ViperX720 says:

That's a rather idiotic thing to say tbh, but I understand about the streaming thing

clowndude319 says:

Anyone know if downloaded music will go to SD card or if it take up App memory?

Marko R says:

Hi all, I have the same question as clowndude,

will xbox subscription downloaded music  be able to be stored on a sd card ?, that would make it just awesome.

 

Thanx

JaiMento says:

Using the Xbox Music app, if you download music, it will save it to the App's internal storage.  It will not be placed on the SD Card.  Furthermore, music downloaded to your music collection using the Xbox Music app will not show up in your collection in the Music and Video Hub's music collection listing.  It also will not be manageable from File Explorer when the phone is plugged into your PC.  Lastly, music downloaded with the Xbox Music app will not even show up under music on your phone when browsing your phone's content via the Windows Phone App for Windows 8.  The only place you can delete the music will be from the Xbox Music app itself and you can not change the location in which the music is stored.

erasure25 says:

I think if you did the trick on Surface (or other Tablet) to default to the SD card storage for the Music/Pictures/Video/Document libraries it will save downloaded music to a "Xbox Music/Purchases/Artist/Album" folder.  Because I just downloaded a cloud track to my Surface and its on my SD card in the above folder....

I don't see this as a problem with the phones since there's no separate SD card storage (at least on my Lumia 920... isn't it all integrated as one storage?)

JaiMento says:

I'm speaking specifically about the Xbox Music app for Windows Phone 8.  There is no trick you can do to get the app to think that the SD card is part of its in app memory.

The problem with the phones is that some Windows Phone 8 devices, like the L1520 have SD card slots and, currently, the Xbox Music app for Windows Phone 8 will not let you download music to that SD card.

eeewing says:

It appears to use App memory.

moc426 says:

Sigh, everytime I see a photo of those 3 columns ... need to get a 1080p device.

xmarklive says:

What about podcast on the 1 and phone app.

Why is the phone in the picture resting on a pile of leaves? :P

Reflexx says:

A limit of 4 devices seems pretty low.

I have 4 Windows Phones, 4 Windows tablets, 2 Windows laptops, an XBOX 360, and an XBOX 1.

I wouldn't mind a limit for devices being using the services simultaneously. But designating each month which devices are capable and which are incapable seems counter productive if you want people to buy more products.

I agree, but licenses are what drives that number. Basically if you want more devices, Microsoft would have to negotiate that with the record companies and pass on the costs to the consumer.

Loxias says:

The 4 devices is for downloading music for offline access.  You can stream from any compatible device.

What are you doing?

caboose8402 says:

It is kind of lame that you are REQUIRED to have an Xbox Music Pass to even use the app. MS could have done better with that. Looks like I'm still relegated to the original.

Looks great do far. Picked up my playlists with no problem.

Blkacesvf41 says:

Like some people said, when you first open the app and asks you for your music pass just press the back button. That takes care of that. I can both stream and play music from my SD card.

loribinca says:

No Live Tile ... *sigh* ..

wooyay says:

Service is currently unavailable in your country...

eortizr says:

"Xbox Video currently doesn’t support HD video playback or downloading, but a Microsoft spokesperson has confirmed that feature is coming next year."

following MS record on promises, that will be by next Christmas...

Could you five some examples of that record?

inseyven says:

I WANT a TIMELINE!!

bsd107 says:

Removal of Podcast support would almost kill the platform for me.  They've got to somehow leave this in WP8.1, even if they remove it from the XBox Music app...

eXus#WP says:

If you wanna give it a try and have no music pass, then launch the app, login if this is the first time, wait for the warning telling you you won't be able to use the app. Go to your home screen using the centered button (not back), press back, enjoy. Of course you won't be able to listen to full tracks but it will work fine as a local player.

This version of XBox music loads all my collection with no issues, way faster than with the core app (I have more than 10000 tracks on a SD card). Looks promising, and I was happy to find my W8 "radio" mixes in there.

theefman says:

For everyone not liking the stripping of features like podcasts and hub functionality, now you know how we Xbox gamers feel about having Xbox live gaming neutered on the platform. At least now with separate apps you will get faster updates, just like Xbox-less games.....

inseyven says:

Trash, it needs the music pass, deleted

winmopro says:

For those of you who have the original ZunePass (the one with 10 free songs/month)...guess what; this app doesn't allow you to use your 10 free songs (similar to how the XBOX Music App on Windows 8 is)...BUT, the built in Music and Video client recoginies the 10 free songs still.

So, when they get rid of the buit in music client I'm going to be demanding a reduction in my Music pass price since I'm loosing a feature I still love. (easy to make ringtones from the MP3s I use the 10 songs/month on).

glassadam says:

How do you make ringtones? Sounds fun.

mark nt says:

Can't find the fm radio....so don't like

Loxias says:

The 'radio' link has been replaced with their Smart DJ.  You'll still need to use the Hub for FM Radio.

mark nt says:

Yep see that, just wanting to know if fm radio will be on the music app on final release

dby2011 says:

I cannot get any album art to show from my personal mp3 collection on my sdcard. Art appears fine on the standard music app.

TechFan99 says:

What is the app pictured above Xbox Music?

Blkacesvf41 says:

How in God's holy name do I fix the duplicate albums and songs in the music app now? Anybody know?

Doomguy says:

Why are they still using the old headphones icon for the new app?

Sean D. says:

For the same reason they use an old telephone icon for a new phone...?

Doomguy says:

You are missing the point. Look at the windows 8 music tile or even the store tile of the new app. You will see that the actual tile in the video has the old headphones icon.

poiman says:

Wait a second! If these two apps are going to replace the "Music and Video" app on WP8.1 and they aren't going to be tied to the OS in order to allow individual updates, does that mean the default Music app and Video app on WP8.1 are going to work just like any other downloaded app and can therefore be deleted? That doesn't sound right to me...

erasure25 says:

Why not... Its how W8 works...

poiman says:

I just think you shouldn't be able to delete your default music or video player app. I mean, listening to music on your phone is almost more common nowadays than making a phone call. It would be stupid to be able to delete the phone app, so being able to delete the default music app is just as stupid in my opinion.

pressstart says:

Nice, that worked. Too bad it doesn't read the album cover tag on my local mp3.

Guys, do you expect to the final Xbox Music app version will have the same "app integration" of the Xbox Music+Video Hub? Like see a Video (same question for Xbox Vídeo) or play a music in a third app, like Rdio or VEVO, and see this on the "history page"?? I like that feature.

And, since the apps will replace de hub, anyone, with a Pass or no, will can use Xbox Music, right??

Do you expect to others Hubs, like the Xbox Games Hub, to be removed on WP8.1? In Windows 8, and 8.1, we not see a not "Xbox Live" enabled game inside...

Sean D. says:

I hope not. If anything they need to either make an app similar to the original Music+Video hub, but seperate so that it can be updated. And name it something XBox Entertainment or soemthing very similar to whatever the entertainment parts of the XB1 are (I don't have one, so I don't know).
Hubs and integrated services (like what Skype is supposed to be) are where it's at for me though.

Natebird says:

People need to learn to read the article before posting cause seriously these apps are a work in progress up until we get WP8.1 what do you people not understand LOL

dnmartin98 says:

I'm curious as to what is going on with "updating collection....xxx songs updated". I have over 7000+ songs in my collection. I have started the app four times today and each time it had gone through the same process of "updating...." beginning at zero and working its merry way to the end of the 7000. That's a crazy way to be doing things. Anyone worked out what and why yet? It shouldn't have to rescan everything each time....it's also eating battery because of it.

MikeSo says:

Yeah, that's both weird and pathetic. Does the same for me. Heats up the phone (Lumia 521) like crazy every time too.

nathanb131 says:

I'm not sure this is a change in how podcasts are handled. The 'music hub' is still functional right? It seems that this 'preview' app is just a way to get the 'xbox music subscription' service right but its not yet a replacement for the hub. I would be VERY surprised if ms stopped doing native podcast support.

That being said, even though I use the hub for podcasts for simplicity we have to admit that it SUCKS for anyone serious at all about podcast listening.

Its playback controls, bookmarking, library organization, etc is kindergarten level stuff compared to decent android apps 2 years ago.

Oh, and anyone singing its praises has apparently never reset or changed their WP. There is NO way to back up/restore your podcast list, not even manually. It doesn't even restore your list of subscriptions, let alone anything you've downloaded and have cued up.

There's some decent 3rd party apps that are better, if for no other reason than cloud-syncing your subscriptions.

FearL0rd says:

If they remove the old app and change to this new music app without fixing the XBOX Pass deal. I will trash WP.
I buy my music's from various sources following online deals (Like Amazon, Google and Microsoft)

ntice_521 says:

Not that it really matters, but...isn't this branding confusing? Not knowing anything, I would assume that xbox music requires an xbox to function. The existing app is called, sensibly, "Music + Videos" - not "XBox Music + XBox Videos".

FearL0rd says:

Are they going to add "Play to" functionality like W8.
Will be nice to use this with my DLNA tv

glassadam says:

Just one question-- does the music Live Tile show anything when I'm playing a song? How about when I stop playing the song? Or is it just another dead tile?

glassadam says:

To shed some light on this for anyone else wondering the same thing, the answer is no, the live tile doesn't show anything, even if a song is playing. This is a preview, so I guess they get a pass, but still this is a bit disappointing for those hoping to use the music tile to beautify their screen.

cybermoose89 says:

Not keen on the new music app not all my artwork shows up properly like it does on the current one everything plays in order at least though

penetronn says:

The only reason I'm okay with this is that it could pave the way for cloud lockers for unmatched music - about 150 of my movie score albums have wrong or missing metadata and don't exist in Microsoft's "cloud collection." dear god please let this happen!

Nick_Wilson says:

Thankfully it seems that my duplicate song listings seem to no longer appear. Can't wait till they release this since everyone I download to the phone seems to replicate multiple times, despite the micro SD card only showing one instance.

bionicjive says:

I can watch HD videos and download them. I'm currently using the 1520. It gives me a download button and a button that allows me to switch from HD or Sd.

JaiMento says:

Have you actually done it? When you switch to HD, it will allow you to purchase an HD version to be viewed on other devices, but will stream/DL SD for Windows Phone and web.

Ultimateone says:

Doesn't show my album art when playing local files, I'll be sticking with Nokia Mixradio :)

KIIS says:

Read the whole thread, nobody mentions the two most important things if you listen to music 8h a day.

Is there a LASTFM live scrobbler inbuilt?

And can you like songs (heart or star) and then play them like a automatic playlist if you like?

Dadstar0410 says:

Could the early release of Xbox Music mean an early WP8.1 release?

MikeSo says:

Wow, let's hope not. This Xbox Music app is the most bug ridden POS I've had on my phone. If they think this is release worthy, I fear for WP8.1...

SACRIFICE_84 says:

Again no services for india.Stuck with itunes only..

This is a conspiracy....

erasure25 says:

When using bluetooth headphones, if you pause Xbox Music using your headphones, and then press play again, it will play the last thing you listened to using the Music Hub, not the Xbox Music app...  I paused a song in Xbox Music only to be greeted by a podcast upon pressing play.... 

 

Obviously a bug....

xkimo says:

Yay! I can watch my tv shows again!

iyae says:

Love the xbox music app except for 2 things: 1) no live tile. It needs the old live tile with artist pic and name. That was dope. 2) no album art for music i didn't download off xbox music. It worked in the music+videos hub, why not here...oh wait i lied, there is a third, 3) gapless playback!! The gap is shorter, ill give em that, but its still not gapless especially with mp3s (which ALWAYS have a short silence either end. Limit of the format. Don't believe me, open one in soundforge and zoom in)

blurryeyes says:

If I wanna playback means I have to have a music pass??? What's wrong with you Microsoft????

Fndlumia says:

Total fuking fail Xbox music, Nokia mix ftw and no walls

n3psydaz says:

What would happen if I chose not to installed those apps, and on new WP update after Ms removed the current music+video app? Would I be still able to use my third party videos and music apps? There is this app called 'music download' from where I can download music for free and which automatically save the downloaded music on my native Xbox music app , will it work?

avigyan says:

The Xbox Music app doesn't have a live tile! And that's really sick!

VI Slick says:

Not having podcast is very,very irritating.... We will wait and see.... But I cannot invest in another WP device until 8.1.. This and possibly forced paid subscription may not be good for me and my future investment in WP

gautam26 says:

Both these services are not available in India (a country with a huge WP userbase) :( Damn you Microsoft :(

EssThree says:

I found a cheatsy way to get into the Xbox Music app without a pass, and I gotta say... I'm not impressed.
Doesn't load anywhere near as quickly as the hub and it feels... cheap somehow. I dunno. It feels like a third party client instead of an official app.

The video app is useless to me since I don't use Microsoft's store at all.

All in all this is a big pass for me, and if MS removes the stock app in WP8.1, my 920 will be the last Windows Phone I buy.

iyae says:

Its a preview man. Calm down. I noticed its slower to load the library too but im ALSO sure Microsoft noticed this. Lets wait till its done.

GDannyboy says:

I hope to high Hell they bring the podcasts back. I spend most of my time listening to podcast and little to music, even less video, on my phone.

What are you guys talking about it not supporting your own collection? I have music I got b4 purchasing the pass and it lets me play it no problem

GDannyboy says:

I certainly hope they bring back the FM Radio and podcasts. The radio is necessary in local emergencies.

About f****ing time Microsoft added proper playlist capabilities. I've yet to use a phone that didn't have it with the exception of WP8.

pcmsatta says:

XBOX Music app continually crashes for me. Funny thing is, XBOX Music on my Windows 8 laptop crashes constantly as well. Also only one of my cloud playlists shows up on the new phone app, but all show up in the built in app. IDK what the heck is the problem, but Microsoft needs to fix ASAP!

I am not able to download any. Is it region restricted?

jaymin00 says:

Yes.it is not available in all countries

jaymin00 says:

Guys we can't send multiple songs from music + video hub.is it OS restriction???

Microsoft should open up the music API more, so that the "not interested in cloud" music dudes can finally have a decent third party music app. I've lost hope that MS will achieve a good app again. Official app has gone worse and worse. Best one IMHO is still the one on WP7.

Startswithaj says:

I was all excited until I got to the line that said there is no podcast support. WTF?! That's the main thing I listen to on my device and I hate using third party apps. 

I was really hoping that Microsoft would bring more podcast features(like being able to queue up additional episodes of other podcasts, mostly) and not drop it entirely. This really disappoints me. One of the things I hated about my old Android phone was that I had to use some third party app to download podcasts. It never seemed as stable as podcasts in the current version of Xbox Music on my Lumia.

Dan Strong1 says:

Download Podcast Lounge, its better anyway and auto downloads stuff for you.

danmorrissey says:

I really like my first impressions of these two apps. Nice to finally have access to Video on our phones, and playlist creation and editing is great to have in Music... My existing Xbox Music playlists dint seem to be appearing though. They do in the original Music+Video hubs... Are they supposed to sync with this new app, or is it just new playlists that sync in one direction to the cloud?

nizzon says:

Sigh. Loads of albumarts gone AGAIN.

For fucks sake MS how hard can it be?!

Dan Strong1 says:

FINALLY! Goodbye Spotify! £1 cheaper and now have this on my, Win8 PC/Surface/Lumia 1020/X1! 

Another benefit to being fully MS! So handy!

pr0phecy says:

Sorry for going a bit off-topic here: In the video it doesn't show the white edge of the phone itself (because of the white table) and truth be told, I found out I really like the phone without that white edge!! If Nokia were to bring this phone out (without the colored edge) I would buy it immediately. For now, still lovin my 920. With the colored edge.

Plazma1 says:

Since when was their native podcast support? I've been using Podcasts Pro on wp7 and wp8. Am I missing something?

tenspeed78 says:

Does anyone else hate the forced fade in/out everytime you switch tracks, pause, or when it switches to the next track?  I was hoping for an update to the music player so this doesn't happen.

grr...

MikeSo says:

Well, after using Xbox Music since it came out yesterday, I just uninstalled it. It currently offers little over the Musc + Video built in client, except tons of crashes, bugs and an even worse UI (with the exception of FB sharing, which when I shared a song link didn't even work - just took me to the Xbox Music homepage, not to the store with the song). Nevermind beta, this is barely alpha. Also, my live tiles and lockscreen stopped updating yesterday, right after I installed Xbox Music. Maybe a coincidence, but considering how crappy it runs, maybe it caused it.

I am very much on board with getting a separate Xbox Music client, but they have a logn way to go before this replaces the built in one (and let's not even talk again about how that in turn is worse than Zune from WP7).

erasure25 says:

Yea, after using this yesterday, it is a long way from being in beta stage even: (1) its slow and choppy.  Needs to run smooth like the music hub. (2) It doesn't save downloaded music to a global folder where any music app can access.  Only Xbox Music has access to the MP3s.  This is crazy, and means all 3rd party music apps can't see the songs.  (3) For songs that are not matched, it tells me I need to connect my phone to my PC to download it to my phone. Ok, but nothing happens when I connect it to my PC. (4) Fix the play/pause button when using a headset. When using my Bluetooth, it pauses ok, but when I hit play, it plays what I was last listening to on the music hub (in my case a podcast) and not the song. (5) Add auto sort by artist, album, and song to playlists. Manual sort is sooo tedious. (6) Better album art support. (7) And generally needs more diverse music to match...some albums I cannot find a match!

There are more bugs too, as it ocassionally crashes and just seems sooo slow.....

numetheus says:

Neither will save downloaded content to MicroSD card. Absolutely useless.

mdram says:

They look great but these services don't seem family friendly to me right now in terms of subscription sharing.

Shippin says:

I'm very excited about what this may mean down the road, but right now it seems like they've done jack as far as making sure this app is ready to be on anyone's phone. Within 10 minutes I have multiple crashes, settings reverting to default, and missing album artwork everywhere. No thanks, I'll try again in 5-20 updates.

Shippin says:

Oh good, it went through an "updated" album artwork to album covers by different artists, yay Xbox Music, always fucking with metadata and making your collection look like shit. What's funny is that most the ones modified were songs downloaded through their marketplace. I especially love the fact there is no "don't touch my music" option in the settings.

devilfisch says:

Making the app separate from the system is a good thing. I've been waiting oh-so-long for an update for the current Music+Videos app because of the damn duplicate song entries that keeps bugging me! Is anyone else having that problem? I have a Lumia 620 if that matters.

lesd777 says:

I can't even buy a movie. An error occurred message. Any way to get around this?

Any info on fixes to the licensing issue yet?

Still get the  "download failed. failed to acquire license for download"

error when trying to download purchased music or video from XBOX 

on Windows Phone